September 15, 200519 yr Excuse me 'budgiecarepublications . quote 'Everyone on this forum is going on as if new perches are the solution to your bird's problem. ' your post has offended me. I object to me and the rest of the forum team being refered to in this manner. We are all trying to help as best we can. The advice you give is not necessarily correct either. Its hard to make a diagnosis on the basis of a description. But thankyou for your contribution nevertheless. budge Edited September 15, 200519 yr by budgeover
September 15, 200519 yr Bumble foot is recognizable by swollen toe joints. It is caused by a bacterial infection that originate from small cuts which become infected particularly where droppings have accumulated on perches and the cage floor. If bumble foot is the problem it needs antibiotics from a vet not massages. I would also like to add that i don't think in this case bumble foot is likely. It's really obvious and you would notice swelling as budgies feet are so tiny that anything shows up. The lack of perch variety could just be giving him achy feet or he could be resting his feet (as i said before). Some budgies don't curl their foot up and tuck it away for resting and just pick it up. I think that no matter what the problem is perch variety is higly important. :hap: Edited September 15, 200519 yr by Bea
September 15, 200519 yr Bumble foot is recognizable by swollen toe joints. It is caused by a bacterial infection that originate from small cuts which become infected particularly where droppings have accumulated on perches and the cage floor. If bumble foot is the problem it needs antibiotics from a vet not massages. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Bea, I did say that if the massaging doesn't help then the bird should be taken to a Bird Veterinarian. How much clearer can I be?
September 15, 200519 yr Why waste time? Bumble foot is deadly serious and if left untreated by a vet surgery can become the only possible solution or it can progress beyond help. Emma, if you think that your birdie has bumble foot please take it to a vet to make sure. :hap:
September 16, 200519 yr Bumble foot is recognizable by swollen toe joints. It is caused by a bacterial infection that originate from small cuts which become infected particularly where droppings have accumulated on perches and the cage floor. If bumble foot is the problem it needs antibiotics from a vet not massages. I would also like to add that i don't think in this case bumble foot is likely. It's really obvious and you would notice swelling as budgies feet are so tiny that anything shows up. The lack of perch variety could just be giving him achy feet or he could be resting his feet (as i said before). Some budgies don't curl their foot up and tuck it away for resting and just pick it up. I think that no matter what the problem is perch variety is higly important. :hap: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> One last thing I'd like to repeat here is that personally I don't know if the bird has Bumble Foot or not but the symptoms look like it. However, I have been told from highly reliable sources that it does not originate from "small cuts which become infected". It is an inflammation in the nerves but how this would originate I don't know.
September 16, 200519 yr Well i will believe what i think is the correct cause of the condition. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem is that if you only "believe what you think" this is the cause, you've then gone on to make a very specific statement that may give misleading information to others.
September 16, 200519 yr And what's to say you're right and i'm wrong? You don't have to be right all the time and i got my facts from a reliable source. I have not given out 'misleading information' any more than you have.
September 16, 200519 yr did you get your information from a book by Budgie care publications Bea? :hap: sorry - couldn't help it Edited September 16, 200519 yr by budgeover
September 16, 200519 yr (Laughing out loud)!! No, then i would be arguing that bumble foot is a nerve problem! :hap: I got it from "The Cage and Aviary Bird Handbook" by Tony Tilford, pg 79. I also found this information on several internet pages when i was researching foot disease as i was worried about one of my budgies. Edited September 16, 200519 yr by Bea
September 16, 200519 yr did you get your information from a book by Budgie care publications Bea? :hap: sorry - couldn't help it <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I for one don't think silly or sarcastic comments have any place in a Forum such as this. I am too busy running a business to respond to it. For those readers who are interested, Bumble Foot is a problem with the nerves of the foot which results in inflammation which in turn will cause obvious distress to the bird. A bird that gets a bacterial infection in the foot through a cut may also be in distress and its foot may get inflammed. In this case anti-biotics may be the best way to treat this. However, the only thing in common here is the word "inflammation". Bumble Foot does not need a bacterial infection to start. Quite frankly, I don't know how a bird would get it. It is internal and I repeat, it is an issue of the inflammation of the nerves in the foot. To the issue of perch sizes. Different diameter perches will positively help in preventing your bird getting cramps, as it will be getting plenty of foot and toe exercise. "Cramps" does not equate to "Bumble Foot". As I said before, the best perches you can provide your bird with is non-toxic natural branches and if you can get these, please clean, wash and dry them thoroughly before fitting them into the cage. As I also said before I don't know if Emma's bird has Bumble Foot and if in doubt about anything one should always seek the advice of an experienced Bird Veterinarian. IF a bird has Bumble Foot, then massaging is one very beneficial treatment. In all cases however, seek the advice of a Bird Veterinarian. I think this will be my last post on this topic. Finally, I choose my words very carefully and would appreciate not being mis-quoted or having my comments taken out of context.
September 16, 200519 yr as bea said emma, take him to the vet if he seems like he is uncomfortable or sore. if he only does it occasionally he might just be resting as budgies sleep on one foot my opinion on bumblefoot is that varied perches are so important not just to help the feet but to stimulate the budgies mind, i think that dirty perches and constantly sitting on the same surface will aggravate and possibly cause discomfort in the very least and in its worst case it will cause bumblefoot. if the budgies feet are always in the same position it may cause sores which in turn become inflammed or infected and contribute to bumblefoot. bumblefoot affects many animals - not just birds. we are all good budgie owners here and im sure everyone does everything in their power to make their birds more comfortable and try and prevent them becoming ill, so i dont see why there was a debate over this particular thing.
September 17, 200519 yr Found this to support my information: "Bumble foot is the slang term for ulcerative pododermatitis. It's a bacterial infection usually caused by Staphylococcus aureus."
September 18, 200519 yr did you get your information from a book by Budgie care publications Bea? :hap: :hap: sorry - couldn't help it I for one don't think silly or sarcastic comments have any place in a Forum such as this. I am too busy running a business to respond to it. For those readers who are interested, Bumble Foot is a problem with the nerves of the foot which results in inflammation which in turn will cause obvious distress to the bird. A bird that gets a bacterial infection in the foot through a cut may also be in distress and its foot may get inflammed. In this case anti-biotics may be the best way to treat this. However, the only thing in common here is the word "inflammation". Bumble Foot does not need a bacterial infection to start. Quite frankly, I don't know how a bird would get it. It is internal and I repeat, it is an issue of the inflammation of the nerves in the foot. To the issue of perch sizes. Different diameter perches will positively help in preventing your bird getting cramps, as it will be getting plenty of foot and toe exercise. "Cramps" does not equate to "Bumble Foot". As I said before, the best perches you can provide your bird with is non-toxic natural branches and if you can get these, please clean, wash and dry them thoroughly before fitting them into the cage. As I also said before I don't know if Emma's bird has Bumble Foot and if in doubt about anything one should always seek the advice of an experienced Bird Veterinarian. IF a bird has Bumble Foot, then massaging is one very beneficial treatment. In all cases however, seek the advice of a Bird Veterinarian. I think this will be my last post on this topic. Finally, I choose my words very carefully and would appreciate not being mis-quoted or having my comments taken out of context. Ive just been reading here. I dont want to read any sarcastic comments here. Some members are not being as friendly as they can be. Budgeover just be careful please as people can take offence.
September 18, 200519 yr When I first owned a budgie I did not know that they should have different size perches but it makes sense as if humans were on their feet all the time we would get sore feet and cramp. Anyone can give advice it is up to individual whether they take that advice. Pleae let this remain a friendly forum as I left a previous one because people started to be unfriendly and offensive.
September 18, 200519 yr a few can ruin it for all cant they JJ2571? As you said becuase you left another forum that somthing like that happened at.
September 18, 200519 yr However, I have been told from highly reliable sources that it does not originate from "small cuts which become infected". It is an inflammation in the nerves but how this would originate I don't know. dont know who your source is but this is from the budgerigar societys book first aid for budgies overgrown claws puncturing the soles of the foot so any cut would be the same the birds feet become soiled and nodular swellings appear as a resultespecialy on the soles of the feet the bird should be seen as soon as possible by a vet,a good preventative is to use perches of a different size and shape so the pressure is not born on the same area
September 20, 200519 yr However, I have been told from highly reliable sources that it does not originate from "small cuts which become infected". It is an inflammation in the nerves but how this would originate I don't know. dont know who your source is but this is from the budgerigar societys book first aid for budgies overgrown claws puncturing the soles of the foot so any cut would be the same the birds feet become soiled and nodular swellings appear as a resultespecialy on the soles of the feet the bird should be seen as soon as possible by a vet,a good preventative is to use perches of a different size and shape so the pressure is not born on the same area <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hath, The discussion we were specifically talking about here was "Bumble Foot", not a variety of general infections that could happen, together with their various origins. Can I suggest you read my last post on this topic (Sept 16,2005 15:49 - PAGE 2).
September 20, 200519 yr id like to add at this point that i wasn't being sarcastic or menaing to be offensive - in my opininon the conversation between bea and B.C.P was becoming too *** for tat and 'heavy' that i thought i would 'lighten' it up with a little bit of humour. People who know me on this forum will know that thats what i am like. I do not mean to be offensive. But if people think i am then there isn't a lot i can do about that. Budge Edited September 20, 200519 yr by budgeover
September 20, 200519 yr okay. Emma, how is your bird? I noticed in your post you said "they" use wooden perches mostly. My first thought is not bumblefoot, but that if you have two birds with access to each other one has bitten the other one's foot. Especially if he is "dancing" with that foot, and you also spoke of it being red on the bottom. Any chance his foot got bitten? It is a common occurrance when you keep more than one bird. Secondly, and I read this some time ago on another forum, but a members bird was constantly bringing one foot up like you described and ended up being in process of coming down with an knemidokoptes infection, better known as scaly face mites. Other than the reluctance to keep both feet on the perch by dancing there were no other symptoms until the problem became obvious. I guess it itched. If your bird is new (forgive me as I don't recall) then this could be a possiblity as well. It seems some birds can keep a latent infection that does not become active until some stressor triggers a lowered immune response. Finally, what's up with the sarcasm? I'm surprised that a simple question has turned into three pages of arguing over a definition of bumblefoot, and that no one else even thought of a bitten foot. That is not what these forums have been about.
September 20, 200519 yr Rainbow I think it must have been a full moon and everyone went crazy or something I just hope the bird gets sorted out. People, this is a good example of why an avian vet is so important - it is just too hard to work out what the problem is with out 1) experience and 2) seeing the injury
September 20, 200519 yr Hath, The discussion we were specifically talking about here was "Bumble Foot", not a variety of general infections that could happen, together with their various origins Budgie Care Publications soory it should have had a heading bumble foot this is the discription of bumble foot in the book it is not a description of general infections
