Hi, Can you help me determine what one of my recent babies is?

Here I Mum:-

 

and Dad:-

 

He is definitely split to ino and opaline and possibly some dilute mutation as evidenced in his last clutch. So here is the baby that I need help working out. It is a red-eyed ?????

 

Also would I be correct to assume it must be a female?

 

Any expert advice would be greatly appreciated.

Edited July 14, 201410 yr by Kaj

Looks to be a young lace wing hen, male would be split meaning you are correct about her being a female.

Thanks Budgie lov3r. From what I have read, a lacewing comes from an ino and a cinnamon. Dad is split to ino, but do you have any suggestions on where the cinnamon comes from?

I'm not 100% sure but I think it is possible for a male to be both split to cinnamon and ino. If possible it would explain how it has occurred.

Was this baby bred by colony breeding? That could be another explanation

Thanks

Cage Bred - and the dad (Splotch) was also cage bred from a recessive pied cock (split to ino) and a opaline violet hen - no sign on any cinnamon that I could detect but not sure if this can be passed down the male gene without detection.

 

The dominant pied mum(Wild) of the possible lacewing chick shown above was a purchase so have no further history except for the last Wild-Splotch clutch that included a Creamino, Albino, dominant pied, opaline dominant pied - pictures of which can be found on "Recent Clutch And Mutation/colour Check Please" under Mutations.

So Splotch turns out to be split to cinnamon, as well as all the other things you have found out about him! It's possible for a recessive (and a sex-linked recessive) gene to stay hidden and be passed from one generation to the next without appearing visually. But it's kind of unusual for the sex-linked ones not to show up, since any male that is split to a sex-linked gene will throw 50% visual daughters.

 

So Splotch's father must have been split to ino and cinnamon, and passed both of them on the same X chromosome to Splotch. Which means that it will be more likely for Splotch to throw a lacewing daughter than to throw simply an ino daughter or simply a cinnamon daughter. Because the crossover would have to occur in order to separate them from being on the same X chromosome.

 

How many female offspring did you get from Splotch's father? If not very many, that might explain why you didn't know the cinnamon was there. Do you know what the parentage was of Splotch's father?

 

Congratulations on the lacewing chick!

Thanks Finnie. I have checked back on Splotch's dad's records (Pebbles). This is Pebbles:-

 

I have no knowledge of Pebble's parentage. You have previously assisted me in identifying some of Pebble's offspring - that combined with my records show female offspring include :-

- a violet cobalt normal

- a white recessive pied with cobalt patches (similar to Pebbles)

- an albino (3)

- a greywing YF2 cobalt

- a dilute spangle Y2 cobalt

- a creamino

- cobalt spangle

(from multiple clutches with two different partners)

 

Splotch his son has now produced the following female offspring (2 clutches of 6 babies) with his partner Wild shown above :-

- SF Dominant Pied cobalt

- albino

- creamino x3

- cobalt opaline pied

- lacewing

 

So I no obvious cinnamon previously.