Hi,

 

I have a pair of budgies that have produced an albino baby, the baby is around 9 days old. This pair has bred previously and produced golden faces, pied's and opalines. I don't know the proper names for their mutations but the father is a yellow and green opaline pied, and the mum is a white and blue pied.

 

I do colony breed but I do not have any males split to albino, I only have split to lutino lace wing males. Could the father be split to albino even though he is a yellow based bird?

 

My main question is, how did I get an albino baby?

 

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The ino gene is the same gene, whether the bird is yellow or white. It is on a different chromosome than the gene for green series and blue series, so they are inherited independently. Your yellow and green opaline pied cock must be split to both ino and to blue. (Assuming he is the actual father.)

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The parents of this clutch usually have blue opalines, golden faces, violets, yellow face pieds and white pieds, but this time around they have produced 1 violet, 1 albino and 3 white pieds.

 

Why has this clutch produced so many white based birds and no yellows?

 

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actually what you have listed in the last clutch are all blue based birds as well. Your 'yellow and green pied' might be in fact a goldenface. or else he is not the father as you believe.

The yellow and green pied starts off yellow and blue but as it grows older and goes through its molt it turns into yellow and green.

 

Would I be correct assuming that the albino would be female?

 

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Yes, the albino will be a female. The only way to get an albino male, is if the mother is an albino. And then the father would still have to be split for it.

 

It definitely sounds like your male is a yellowface or goldenface. On a cobalt bird, instead of turning the body to seafoam, like it does on a sky blue, the yellowface will turn the cobalt to green. Although I've found with most of mine, that the green is somewhat patchy, and retains a lot of blue areas.

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I have just pulled the albino out of the box for the first time to notice it has brown wings, so I believe it is a lacewing. I have one male split to lacewing but he has only produced lutino lace wings, could this still mean he is the father?

 

I do have another male split to cinnamon but not to ino so he couldn't be the father.

 

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Any one of your males could be the father, in a colony breeding situation. One clutch could have multiple fathers.

 

The one male split to lacewing who has only produced lutino lacewings in the past can still produce a white one if he is split to blue. When a bird is split to something, it doesn't always come out in expected percentages. So just because he hasn't produced a blue based bird yet doesn't mean he won't in the future.

 

In the same way, your other male who is split to cinnamon could still be split to ino as well, and you just haven't discovered it yet. How many female offspring has that male split to cinnamon given you so far? If he is split to both cinnamon and ino, the rate of crossover is about 3%. So percentage wise, if he were split to both, you could expect roughly 48.5% of his HEN chicks to be cinnamon. 48.5% would be inos, 1.5% would be normals, and 1.5% would be lacewings. So if he has given you lots of normal hens, then you are probably right that he isn't also split to cinnamon.

 

However, with colony breeding, there isn't really a way to know for sure how the genes are spreading around through your flock. So some things you might never work out unless you test breed in a cage situation.

 

In the same way, your other male who is split to cinnamon could still be split to ino as well, and you just haven't discovered it yet. How many female offspring has that male split to cinnamon given you so far?

 

 

This male has been paired with 3 different females, one pair produced spangles and opalines, another produced violets and cinnamons and now he has had 3 clutches with this female ( lutino lacewing ) and they have produced male and female cinnamons, violets and greens. Their has been 2 or 3 cinnamon females from him.

 

Also I didn't want to start a new topic but i have gotten 2 spangles from another pair. They had only bred once and produced a opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey female. I know that the fathers father ( grand parents of the spangle babies ) was a spangle, would his gene have come into these babies?

 

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Sorry, when you say lutino lacewing do you mean some are Lutino and some are lacewing or do you mean they are yellow lacewings?the ino gene and lacewing gene are similar but they are not the same... I'm not great when it comes to genetics and when you dumb it down to my level you are left with a bunch of misinformation but yeah, they aren't the same.

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The lutino lace wing is a yellow lacewing, sorry for the confusion, i'm not that good with mutations either.

 

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Sorry, when you say lutino lacewing do you mean some are Lutino and some are lacewing or do you mean they are yellow lacewings?the ino gene and lacewing gene are similar but they are not the same... I'm not great when it comes to genetics and when you dumb it down to my level you are left with a bunch of misinformation but yeah, they aren't the same.

 

Actually, Jimmy, there is no lacewing gene. Lacewing is a combination of ino and cinnamon, So techinically, it IS the same gene for the ino part, plus add the cinnamon gene for it to be called lacewing. So a lacewing is, by definition, also a lutino. (Or albino if it's white.)

 

In the same way, your other male who is split to cinnamon could still be split to ino as well, and you just haven't discovered it yet. How many female offspring has that male split to cinnamon given you so far?

 

 

This male has been paired with 3 different females, one pair produced spangles and opalines, another produced violets and cinnamons and now he has had 3 clutches with this female ( lutino lacewing ) and they have produced male and female cinnamons, violets and greens. Their has been 2 or 3 cinnamon females from him.

 

So it sounds like he has produced lots of offspring for you, and if he did happen to be also split to ino, then you probably would have seen an ino daughter by now. So it does look like he must not be split to ino.

 

Also I didn't want to start a new topic but i have gotten 2 spangles from another pair. They had only bred once and produced a opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey female. I know that the fathers father ( grand parents of the spangle babies ) was a spangle, would his gene have come into these babies?

 

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Since spangle is a dominant gene, it is always expressed visually. So at least one of the parents of those chicks is a spangle bird. If neither parent is spangle, then an extra cock has gotten himself into the picture.

 

Also I didn't want to start a new topic but i have gotten 2 spangles from another pair. They had only bred once and produced a opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey female. I know that the fathers father ( grand parents of the spangle babies ) was a spangle, would his gene have come into these babies?

 

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Since spangle is a dominant gene, it is always expressed visually. So at least one of the parents of those chicks is a spangle bird. If neither parent is spangle, then an extra cock has gotten himself into the picture.

 

Neither parent is a spangle and I do not have any spangles in my aviary. The mother is an albino and the father is a dark blue. Is it possible to have gotten a spangle?

 

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Hi your albino hen must also be a spangle but being albino you can't tell visually.

Also you mentioned that their previous baby was an opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey female so unless one of your parents is yellowface there must have been another father in the picture.

Cheers Jenny

Hi your albino hen must also be a spangle but being albino you can't tell visually.

 

 

Agree with Jenny here. Do you know what the parents of the albino mother are?

Hi your albino hen must also be a spangle but being albino you can't tell visually.

 

 

Agree with Jenny here. Do you know what the parents of the albino mother are?

 

That's called Masking I remember that much...

Hi all,

 

Sorry I haven't been on for a while, I bought the albino and I believe both parents were albinos. She also had another spangle looking baby but i'm not sure what it's mutation is.

 

here it is:

 

Edited March 13, 201312 yr by BUDGIE L0V3R

Hi Budgie Lover it is an opaline grey spangle, are you sure the mum is an albino and not a double factor spangle, does she have red or black eyes?

 

Cheers Jenny

I am almost positive that she is an albino, I believe both of her parents were albino as the guy I was buying off had 6 albinos all from the same clutch and photos of them while still young in the box.

 

I will have to have a closer look at her tomorrow so I can be certain that she is an albino.

 

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Hi if they were both white double factor spangles they would have all white babies also.

Check the colour of her legs and beak they will be pink and orange in an albino with red eyes.

If she is double factor spangle she may have grey legs and a horn coloured beak but it can depend on what other mutations she carries.

I had a look back through the post and this opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey female that they bred earlier would have had to be spangle as well if she is double factor.

 

Cheers Jenny

Hi,

 

She may be a spangle, today I saw the pair mating and she had iris rings and her eyes looked black while they were mating.

 

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I was watching her today and she was next to my albino lacewing and they both had red eyes, she is deffitenly a albino. Could she be a double factor spangle white being albino?

 

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I'm not sure if she could be an Albino masking df spangle... I can't see why not because you can have an Albino masking spangle. Are you still colony breeding? The easiest way to find out what an albino is masking is to test breed it with a Normal that you know is not split for anything...

Hi,

 

Thanks for the help so far, I have taken a picture of the mum and also the dad. I'm not sure if that will help with anything but I thought i still would. I have pulled the boxes out so there wont be anymore breeding until the end of the year.

here are the parents:

 

 

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Wow she is very much like tilly.

 

tilly

 

 

Has she got a tinge of blue?