Hey all,

 

I have 9 baby budgies ranging in ages. Three have left their nests but their are still six in the boxes. Here are a couple of pictures.

 

 

 

This is a opaline and the other is a white and violet dominate pied

 

 

These 3 are all going to be cinnamons, the mum is a lutino and the dad is a violet split to cinnamon. Will these yellow babies be lace wings? and is the blue a normal cinnamon?

 

Does any one know what this mutation is called?

 

 

This is an opaline but is it a violet opaline?

 

 

Is this one a yellow and blue dominant pied?

 

 

Thank you, if you could please answer my questions on their colors that would help.

 

Thanks

Hi, can't help with genetics but very nice chicks. Somebody with more knowledge should help you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

These 3 are all going to be cinnamons, the mum is a lutino and the dad is a violet split to cinnamon. Will these yellow babies be lace wings? and is the blue a normal cinnamon? None of these chicks are lacewings. The two on the right look like normal cinnamons to me, but the one on the top left looks like normal black wing bars. But that could be from the photo being dark.

 

Does any one know what this mutation is called? A view of his back would help, but from here he looks like opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey.

 

 

This is an opaline but is it a violet opaline? It can be hard to get the violet to show up in photos. This one might or might not be.

 

 

Is this one a yellow and blue dominant pied? Well, it IS yellow, and it IS blue, but in budgies we would call it yellow face mutant two cobalt. Based on where it's body color is placed, I would say it is a recessive pied, not a dominant pied. But it would help to be able to see the back of the bird. He appears to be an opaline.

 

 

Thank you, if you could please answer my questions on their colors that would help. I hope I've been able to help. It would be better to see more photos, especially of their backs. Do you have a photo of the parents of the cinnamon chicks?

 

Thanks

Thanks for the answers,

I have tried taking some pictures of the yellow face mutant two cobalt. Here is it's back.

 

 

 

These are the cinnamon's parents, I believe the dad is split cinnamon because he has produced cinnamon's with another partner and the mum is a lace wing because previous cinnamon babies have turned out male and female.

 

 

 

These are the cinnamon babies,

you said this one looked to just have normal black bars, when you see it in person it is defiantly a cinnamon

 

 

And here is the opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey.

 

I hope these pictures help, and thank you for your previous answers.

Those pictures are nice!

 

Up at the top, you had said the mother of the cinnamon chicks was a lutino, but I had a suspicion she was a lacewing, so that's why I wanted to see pictures of her. She is nice. I think lacewings must be more common over there in Australia than they are here in the U.S.. I only know of one breeder who has them. (Of course, I'm sure others do too, but I haven't run across them.) I'm starting to work on breeding some in my pet lines.

 

Thanks for the answers,

I have tried taking some pictures of the yellow face mutant two cobalt. Here is it's back.

 

 

This chick is beautiful! I had one just like it once. I especially liked how its colors looked like "watercolors". I think it may be a dominant pied as well as a recessive pied. It can be hard to tell if a bird is a combo pied, but I just feel like the color on its belly is placed where a recessive pied would have its color. It could also be that since some dominant pieds have a much larger and odd shaped clear band, that that could be what I'm seeing instead. One clue would be to check whether it gets iris rings when it grows up. But that can be inconclusive too. I have read the experts on here say that test breeding is the only way to know for sure. But if you pick the wrong mate, test breeding can lead to just as much confusion in the offspring, so it likely could remain a mystery.

 

These are the cinnamon's parents, I believe the dad is split cinnamon because he has produced cinnamon's with another partner and the mum is a lace wing because previous cinnamon babies have turned out male and female.

 

 

 

These are the cinnamon babies,

you said this one looked to just have normal black bars, when you see it in person it is defiantly a cinnamon Yeah, I did figure that it was just the photo making it look dark. You can see it better in this one.

 

 

And here is the opaline dominant pied yellow face mutant two grey. Yeah, his back definitely looks opaline and dom pied.

 

I hope these pictures help, and thank you for your previous answers. You're welcome. I didn't answer the first time I had read this thread, because I figured there are others on here who know a lot more than I do. But after a while when no one else was responding, I figured I would take a stab at it. Your birds are very pretty.

Thanks, I have 2 of those lacewings they are half sisters. I always had a feeling they were lace wings but I thought the brown markings were to faint and it was just a normal lutino. [quote name='Finnie' t

 

 

I have had another one of these from the previous parents clutch and after going through it's molt the blue turned into green and it know looks like its dad. Do you think this will happen with this one? and the other one also has iris rings.

 

 

 

 

Would this be an opaline as well? it has some strange wing markings that I haven't seen on most birds.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

Edited December 23, 201212 yr by BUDGIE L0V3R

Thanks, I have 2 of those lacewings they are half sisters. I always had a feeling they were lace wings but I thought the brown markings were to faint and it was just a normal lutino. Their father must be split to lacewing. What is he visually? [quote name='Finnie' t

 

 

I have had another one of these from the previous parents clutch and after going through it's molt the blue turned into green and it know looks like its dad. Do you think this will happen with this one? and the other one also has iris rings. Yes, when you have yellow face with no dark factor, after the first molt, the sky blue turns to aqua, but when there is a dark factor, then the cobalt turns to green. But I have found on some of mine, that it doesn't turn all the way green, but remains somewhat patchy, with cobalt areas and green areas, and some in-between sort of aqua areas. People really go for those, since the multiple colors are pretty.

 

If it has iris rings, then it's not a recessive pied, it must be just dominant pied.

 

 

 

Would this be an opaline as well? it has some strange wing markings that I haven't seen on most birds. Yes, it's an opaline. Opaline markings can vary a lot. It's common to have what they call a "thumbprint", although so far I haven't been able to figure out what part they are referring to when they say that. :0

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

Edited January 5, 201312 yr by Finnie

Thanks, I have 2 of those lacewings they are half sisters. I always had a feeling they were lace wings but I thought the brown markings were to faint and it was just a normal lutino. Their father must be split to lacewing. What is he visually?

 

The father is a bright green grey wing, he is also split to lutino because he has produced these lace wing babies?

Well, technically, he would be split to both ino and cinnamon. But when both of those genes are located on the same X chromosome, we call it "lacewing". In his case, they probably are both on the same X chromosome, since he has produced two lacewing chicks.

 

The other possibility is that one of his X chromosomes has the ino gene on it, and his other X chromosome has the cinnamon gene on it, and it just so happened twice that when he made sperm to fertilize those two eggs, a crossover ocurred, which then moved the cinnamon and ino together onto one X. They say the crossover rate for those two genes is only around 3 to 4 %, so it would seem more likely that your cock already has them together on the same X.

He has only had one lace wing chick, his son paired up with another female and produced the other lace wing. would this mean that both of them are split lace wing?

Ho budgie lover yes it does mean they are both split.

Cheers Jenny