I'm going to be getting this budgie from someone. She called it a Cinnamon Lutino, and so I asked her to send me a photo. This is the bird; I believe she is a Lacewing? Or a Fallow?

 

From my experience Fallows have darker markings so I instantly thought Lacewing, but don't Lacewings have purple-ish cheek patches?

 

 

 

 

Not sure, regardless. I defer to the greater wisdom of you guys.

 

Here's the photo:

 

 

 

Your bird looks like a young lacewing. The markings will become darker after the first moult.

 

I breed both lacewings & fallows and I'm sure your bird is not a fallow

Edited April 9, 201213 yr by Neville

Alright thank you!

 

By the way, what would the outcome be if I paired her to a male Texas Clearbody?

 

 

Edited April 9, 201213 yr by Jen144

what would the outcome be if I paired her to a male Texas Clearbody?

 

 

why would you want to do that ?

Just a random question. Doesn't really matter, does it. I don't know what the outcomes would be for that however (as I asked) since I know ino reacts not as usually predicted when bred with TCB, and Lacewings are a composite of Cinnamon and Ino....

what would the outcome be if I paired her to a male Texas Clearbody?

 

 

why would you want to do that ?

 

not everyone breeds for show.

 

some people like pretty birdies, or let their birds naturally pair.

Heck yeah Gotta love the pretty birdies. But yes, you are right I don't breed for showing, I breed for the fun. And that combination certainly sounds like fun. At the very least it sounds interesting, looking forward to replies if anyone knows what the outcomes will be.

Edited April 9, 201213 yr by Jen144

With the mentioned pairing, the Texas clearbody acts like a normal and the lacewing works to the sex linked theory. It is not uncommon for exhibition breeders of clearbody's to use lacewings in the clearbody breeding program in a similar fashion to using inos to assist with vibrant body colour, they can see the quality of markings, depth of mask, shape of spots ect, which is something you can have difficulty with when dealing with inos.

So let me see if I understand you correctly. Because the Lacewing is a hen paired to a male that is not split, I would get normal males split for Lacewing and TCB, and all the hens would be TCB? Yes?

So let me see if I understand you correctly. Because the Lacewing is a hen paired to a male that is not split, I would get normal males split for Lacewing and TCB, and all the hens would be TCB? Yes?

 

 

I believe this is correct. The male chicks will have one of their X chromosomes with the lacewing (cinnamon and ino genes) on it, and the other X chromosome with the TCB on it. So when they in turn breed, half of their hen chicks will be lacewings, and the other half would be TCBs. That sounds like a useful cock to me, if I were breeding both of those varieties. (But you won't know what the boy chicks from such a cock are split to until you breed them.)

Hi Jen144 These are the predictions from the genetic calculater basically it is the same as putting a clearbody over an ino, genetically they are very close and the clearbody has dominance over the ino.

 

 

1.0 pallid(Tex.clearbody)

x 0.1 ino cinnamon % from all 1.0 100.0% 1.0 green pallid(Tex.clearbody)Ino /cinnamon % from all 0.1 100.0% 0.1 green pallid(Tex.clearbody)

This one's got me confused... I hate genetic calculators, if they made one that actually made sense to me it might be different. My understanding is, and the genetic calculator might be saying this, if you pair a TCB cock with an ino hen you will get 50% TCB cocks split for albino and 50% TCB hens. The was I see it, the Lacewing gene works the same as the ino gene. therefore you will have 50% TBC cocks split for Lacewing and 50% TCB hens...

 

You shouldn't get any normals...

I agree with JimmyBanks

I haven't had any experience with the Texas clearbody mutation but I think that a texas clearbody cock mated to a lacewing henwould produce:

50% clearbody hens

50% clearbody split lacewing cocks

 

 

If the texas clearbody was split for ino the result would be:

25% clearbody hens

25% ino hens

25% clearbody split lacewing cocks

25% ino split lacewing cocks

Edited April 12, 201213 yr by Neville

Ohh, now I see where I got it wrong. The TCB gene is actually an allelomorph of the ino gene. I was thinking it was a separate mutation. Sorry for my incorrect info up above.