I'm kind of hoping RIPbudgies will see this, even though she hasn't been around a lot lately. I know she's talked about modifying genes before.

 

 

 

I have a clutch from a pair, the father is a dilute, I believe, so all the chicks will be split to dilute. The mother is a cinnamon wing, split to some kind of greywing mutation. (To my knowledge, the father is NOT split to cinnamon, and no chicks had plum eyes when they hatched.)

 

So I'm expecting to get either normal/dilute chicks, or else greywing types that are whatever the mother has/dilute. And I thought that any of these greywing type chicks would all look the same, for the most part. Four of the 7 chicks are normals, but the other three are NOT all the same. One has wing markings that are a much darker grey. Here are photos of the three:

 

 

Chick 3:

 

 

Chick 4:

 

 

Chick 5:

 

 

Whole clutch, except one of them is buried:

 

 

Chicks 3 and 5 look alike, but it is the middle chick, #4, that has me wondering, because its markings are so much darker.

 

 

 

I know I should get pictures of the parents. I'll work on it. But the father is just so pale, that I don't think he could be anything other than a dilute.

Here is the father:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PM RIP so she pops in

Is the mother a YF dom pied?

 

 

Edited March 4, 201213 yr by violetpiedmad

PM RIP so she pops in

 

 

okay:)

 

Is the mother a YF dom pied?

 

 

 

 

She is YF, yes, but the pied comes from the father being clearflight pied.

 

 

Father (Gabriel): opaline dilute (I think) clearflight pied mauve

 

Mother (Ava): cinnamon opaline yellowface mutant two sky blue split to some sort of dilution mutation

Here are some photos of the chicks now that they are fledged.

 

Chick 5, who I think is dilute. (Chick 3 looks just like her, so I'm not putting any of him.)

 

 

 

 

Now for the oddly marked one, chick 4

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just realized none of these shots show the tail quill on the dilute hen. I still have her brother, I will have to try to get some shots of his tail.

 

 

So I'm still wondering how a dilute cock and a hen that is only split for one of the dilution alleles can produce anything but one type of dilution combination. The breeder I got the cock from said he threw similar chicks for her, so I have to wonder if he has some kind of modifying gene going on. Or maybe he's not really a dilute.

 

 

But I still think it's odd that this chick #4 can have the body color of a dilute but the wing markings of a darker greywing.

I know you said no plum eyes in the nest but gee this one really looks like a cinnamon to me. But considering you've said it's grey and not cinnamon I'll go with that.

The very original greywings had 50% bodycolour dilution and not a full strong body colour. I've seen some starkly marked greywings too so yes, wing colour variation is possible and does happen in this series. Dilute, greywing clearwing. As I've mentioned before I've bred dilutes from clearwings with NO wing markings at all. Still clearly a dilute but carrying the wing modification from the clearwings. BUT you don't really expect these modifiers to be hiding away like a recessive gene.

There might be more going on here than that.

 

Waiting for some input from RIP although I know she is on her way up to Tom Price escorting some heavy vehicles so prob won't get to this for a bit.

The father wont be split cinnamon if none of the young cocks are cinnamon , only the Hens will be cinnamon.

 

I believe the chick is a Hen and it is carrying cinnamon in the wing.

 

The problem is that you are combining a Sexlinked (Cinnamon) Gene and the Recessive ( Greywing/Dilute) Gene together on the same bird , In show terms a complete waste of time as you end up with a bird that is being affected by both Genes in the wing so you end up with a washed out cinnamon colour.

Matt

Yeah, I realize that this would be a show budgie nightmare, but mine are just pets. My goal is to produce a cinnamon opaline greywing, which was inspired by an article I read a long time ago, before I started breeding my budgies. The thread is here: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=26856&st=0&p=319655&hl=+cinnamon%20+opaline%20+greywingentry319655

 

 

So anyway, the father never threw any cinnamon chicks for the other breeder, and this clutch had 8 chicks hatch, and no plum eyes. But I agree, that the photos of the hen chick do look like she could be cinnamon, except that in real life, it's grey, not brown.

Well pretty likely she is a opaline greywing. 50% dilute from greywing and slight extra dilution from opaline would produce a colour that looks very similar to cinnamon opaline (body colour) but with grey wing markings and black not plum eyes). Greywing markings in greywings can vary in intensity due to wing modifiers and I've seen a range.

Greywing markings in greywings can vary in intensity due to wing modifiers and I've seen a range.

 

Well, this was what I was thinking, because she must have gotten something to modify hers, which her brother and sister didn't get. So maybe they are not really dilutes, maybe they are greywings where the body color was washed out extra from the opaline, and the wing modifiers washed the wings out, too.

 

In that case, maybe the father isn't diute, either. Maybe he is also a super washed out greywing. Then he could either be homozygous for greywing, or he could be greywing/dilute. Combine that with whatever the mother is split for, and then we could get chicks with two different genotypes. (Well, plus the normals, who would be split to one of the genes from the dad.)

Could be. Coz he is opaline as well, the grey body colouring may be covering his grey wing markings to the extent that we all assumed he is dilute. His body colour could well be indicative of a 50% body colour greywing.....

 

Shame we can't just take a sneak peak into his genes and say ahhhh, yes there it is..... he has the dilute gene activated and his daughter has modifiers for wing colour activated...... would take some of the surprises out of it though and that would be a bit boring!

 

Are you actually going to be able to tell for sure that you have a cinnamon opaline greywing if you breed one? Except for if you breed one from a cinnamon cock bird and even then would you know if it's actually a greywing as well?

Well, so far I have had three hens hatch with plum eyes, but who colored up as greywings, with no visual cinnamon that I can tell. So I figure that they must be both.

 

One has no opaline, one has yellow face, which muddies up the color, and she's not so pretty, although as she is molting, she is starting to look prettier. The third one is actually a sky blue opaline (cinnamon greywing), but she doesn't really seem to look like that breeder's description. I am going to try to get one in cobalt, to see if that makes it more blue.

 

In the process of doing this, I produced one that was a cobalt opaline greywing spangle (no cinnamon), and she was an absolutely stunning bird! Her owner saw her photo in my ad and just had to have her. My next goal now is to try to get one like that only in violet, to see how that looks.