Hello everybody

 

Please, help me.

I know that DEC birds may be bred from Recessive Pieds and another kind of Pieds, but I can not catch, which one. Some sources say "Continental Clearflights" and some sources say "Dutch Pieds". Are Continental Clearflights the same mutation as Dutch Pieds?

 

Thank you in advance

Yes

Hi there. Where ever did you hear about there being different breeding times for various

 

mutations of budgies???? Just curious.

 

It's a fact of life that all mutations of budgies can be bred at any time of the year provided

 

they are in condition & the environment in which they are kept is suitable. Yours B.J.

Yes

Finnie, thank you very much for the answer But if the Clearflights and the Dutch Pieds are the same mutation, why they have different WBO Standards?

 

Hi there. Where ever did you hear about there being different breeding times for various

 

mutations of budgies???? Just curious.

 

It's a fact of life that all mutations of budgies can be bred at any time of the year provided

 

they are in condition & the environment in which they are kept is suitable. Yours B.J.

 

Bird Junky, thank you for your remark, but it doesn't have anything to do with my question.

I think you will find that DEC is short for Dark Eyed Clears and has nothing to do with December breeding.

Hi there. Where ever did you hear about there being different breeding times for various

 

mutations of budgies???? Just curious.

 

It's a fact of life that all mutations of budgies can be bred at any time of the year provided

 

they are in condition & the environment in which they are kept is suitable. Yours B.J.

Edited February 3, 201213 yr by Bad Hair Day

OOOp's Sorry . That's the reason most sites disapprove of abbreviations

 

Yours B.J.

We all knew what DEC meant except you Bird Junky LOL

OOOp's Sorry . That's the reason most sites disapprove of abbreviations

 

Yours B.J.

I don't like abbreviations either, it took me ages to work out what LOL meant

Finnie, thank you very much for the answer But if the Clearflights and the Dutch Pieds are the same mutation, why do they have different WBO Standards?

 

 

 

I saw your question yesterday, Tania, but I didn't know the answer for you. Then as it happens, before bed I was reading a book (Genetics For Budgerigar Breeders by T.G.Taylor and C.Warner, Iliffe Books, Ltd, 1961), and I was on the chapter on pied varieties. This quote from page 89 explains it:

 

 

"At one time it was thought that Clearflights and Dutch Pieds were the result of separate mutations, and from an exhibition standpoint these birds are certainly quite distinct from one another. It is now almost certain, however, that the same mutation is responsible for the production of both varieties, and that the differences between them are due to the selection of different modifying genes by breeders."

 

It's been a long time since that was written, and I'm wondering if, after this long, the differences might be minimal now, and people have just started using the terms interchangeably. But I recently had a question about 'Frosted Pieds', and what I dug up suggests that people do like to use separate terms for birds that look different, even when they are the same mutation.

 

(Frosted pied, by the way, turned out to be a variation of the Clearflight or Dutch Pied mutation.)

that the same mutation is responsible for the production of both varieties, and that the differences between them are due to the selection of different modifying genes by breeders."

Finnie, thank you very much for the answer If there are different modifying genes, this means, that we have a multiple allele series?

Can we say, that we have 2 phenotypes of the same mutation?

 

(Frosted pied, by the way, turned out to be a variation of the Clearflight or Dutch Pied mutation.)

But they are not recognized by WBO yet, right?

And so, it's another member of a multiple allele series on Pi, Pb locus?

that the same mutation is responsible for the production of both varieties, and that the differences between them are due to the selection of different modifying genes by breeders."

Finnie, thank you very much for the answer If there are different modifying genes, this means, that we have a multiple allele series? NO, modifying genes are different genes, not allelomorphic to the same locus.

Can we say, that we have 2 phenotypes of the same mutation? I'm not sure if the term phenotype can be used that way. It's more like there is variation within the same phenotype.

 

(Frosted pied, by the way, turned out to be a variation of the Clearflight or Dutch Pied mutation.)

But they are not recognized by WBO yet, right? I'm not sure about WBO, but apparently an American judge reclassified a bird to the Frosted class, so they must be recognized? I found some obscure stuff when I googled "Frosted Pied Budgies".

And so, it's another member of a multiple allele series on Pi, Pb locus? There are no multiple alleles on the Pi locus or the Pb locus See the chart half way down on this page: http://en.wikipedia....colour_genetics

Sorry, I don't know if I'm being helpful, or making it more confusing. lol!

NO, modifying genes are different genes, not allelomorphic to the same locus.

Finnie, thank you very much for the answer It's a very interesting topic So, we have one mutant gene for both variants; but we also have 2 groups of different modifying genes for these two variants. It's clearer now for me Though, it's interesting, where they are locating (modifying genes).

 

Sorry, I don't know if I'm being helpful, or making it more confusing. lol!

You're very helpful, thank you very much!