Someone was asking me about this (new/rare?) mutation, and doing a google search, I couldn't come up with anything concrete about it.

 

I found where it was discussed on a couple of forums, including ours, but that mostly goes along the lines of "What is it?" "I don't know, never heard of it."

 

I did find one place where Neville said it was a variation of Clearflight pied, but other sources thought it was a variation of recessive pied.

 

The person who asked me gave me this link, and I said I would ask around on here, to see if any of our experienced show breeders know about it. http://www.budgeriga...k/frosted-pied/

 

I assume it is something completely different to a bird that shows "frosting" in its body color?

I did some more searching, and I came up with this, which wasn't there the first time I searched. http://pets.dir.grou...e/message/14907

 

I agree with what Ken Yorke said about people making up new names for existing mutations. It's very frustrating when everyone uses different terms, and you're supposed to keep in your head which ones mean the same thing as each other, and which terms mean something different.

okay i got a book on them ill go find it

 

okay they are also named finnish pieds they are recesive and a n intermediate form or a danish and a blackeyed clear

 

okay they are also named finnish pieds they are recesive and a n intermediate form or a danish and a blackeyed clear

 

 

Was that what the book said? What is the name of the book/author?

 

Just great! Now we get to add "Finnish" to the list.

 

 

 

Did the book say how to produce this?

book by cessa feyerabend and dr.matthew m.vriends

a frosted pied would be a finnish pied hun they refer to danish as harliquines its a olddy but goody this book

they are.... snow white with clear wings lower brest and rump is deep blue

It is my understanding that clearflight pied, dutch pied, continental clearflight & frosted pied are all the same mutation. There can be a lot of variation in the appearance of clearflight pieds which could account for different names

 

The real problem is that there are too many "experts" with too many different ideas

Edited December 1, 201113 yr by Neville

 

okay they are also named finnish pieds they are recesive and a n intermediate form or a danish and a blackeyed clear

 

 

Was that what the book said? What is the name of the book/author?

 

Just great! Now we get to add "Finnish" to the list.

 

 

 

Did the book say how to produce this?

 

yes as above danish x black eyed clear

With Neville - other name for a dutch pied. Has quite distinctive frosting on wings in normal variety. Check with RIP she has bred these and has one now I think.

Hi all i beleive that John Carter in Sydney has a few seen one a few years ago at his abode Cheers TAZ D

Sounds deliciious

 

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=frosted+pie&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1C1CHKB_enAU413AU413&biw=1280&bih=705&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=hzieg6zJevvOiM:&imgrefurl=http://frostedcake.blogspot.com/2009/11/thanksgiving-pie-cake-order-today.html&docid=C-g6wfgXpp1uoM&imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XMVO6g31rAc/SwRMf8uIh9I/AAAAAAAAAsg/8JMYlAdz_5Y/s1600/tfcs_piecake1.jpg&w=600&h=400&ei=65rYTsKYPITkmAWtsoHaCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=576&vpy=390&dur=1552&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=145&ty=63&sig=108767735039951451929&page=2&tbnh=152&tbnw=203&start=16&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:16

Edited December 2, 201113 yr by fordmob

lol yum dan cooking me one are you ???

 

well i just got bit smart after seeing dans pie and it hit me

 

 

a black eye is produced by receive pied to a dutch/clearflight/continental pied so well it has to be a dutch-ed pied that they are referring to as frosted

 

here i found this they guys a bit of track as he refers to clear flight and dutch pieds as seperate but they are one the same i call them continental clearflighted dutch pieds to use all names as so i dont forget they are the same

here read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearflight_Pied_budgerigar_mutation

It is my understanding that clearflight pied, dutch pied, continental clearflight & frosted pied are all the same mutation. There can be a lot of variation in the appearance of clearflight pieds which could account for different names

 

The real problem is that there are too many "experts" with too many different ideas

 

With Neville - other name for a dutch pied. Has quite distinctive frosting on wings in normal variety. Check with RIP she has bred these and has one now I think.

 

Thank you Nubbly and Neville. I think I've got it now. Genetically it's the same mutation on the same allele as (Continental)Clearflight/Dutch pied. But because it looks distinctive, then it gets a distinctive name. Does that mean it has its own class at a show? I guess there is this lady in the U.S. who had a judge put hers into a different class.

 

Sounds deliciious

 

http://www.google.co...1t:429,r:2,s:16

 

 

:lol:

 

It took me a moment to get this!

 

I guess it's cakes that I usually think of as frosted.

 

i call them continental clearflighted dutch pieds to use all names as so i dont forget they are the same

 

I like that idea, GB! At least until I can memorize them all properly. Usually I get the Dutch and the Danish confused, and I can't figure out which one people are talking about. I think if I start stringing the Danish/Harlequin/recessive pied all together too, then I might finally be able to remember those, too. (I think learning that Australian Banded means Dominant Pied was easier for me, because it has the word Banded in it, which is a distinquishing feature of the dommies.)

 

here read

http://en.wikipedia....erigar_mutation

 

Thank you so much for this link! Reading that has really helped me to understand this, and clarify it in my mind. I liked it so much, that I've even added it to the links page of my website.

 

okay, now to go slightly off on a tangent. GB, what do you mean by the following?

 

they are.... snow white with clear wings lower brest and rump is deep blue

 

 

I have a hen I bought about a year ago that this completely describes. She is white, has black eyes, no iris rings, no markings whatsoever, but she has a small amount of blue way down on her breast, and a bright blue rump. At first I had hoped that she was a dark eyed clear, but I was told that those don't get any color. So I've been figuring that she must just be a (very) poorly marked recessive pied. (Orange beak and pink feet)

 

Is it possible that she is just a continental/clearflight/dutch pied?

Edited December 2, 201113 yr by Finnie

Okay, here is my hen. I guess she has lost a lot of the blue since I bought her back in January. But you can kind of see it low on her belly and on her back, if you really look. I still think she's a Dark Eyed Clear, not a Frosted Pied.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Opinions, anyone?

Another possibility is that she is a double factor spangle that is masking recessive pied

 

 

The only way to be sure of her mutation is to breed from her and look at the chicks

Sounds deliciious

 

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=frosted+pie&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1C1CHKB_enAU413AU413&biw=1280&bih=705&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=hzieg6zJevvOiM:&imgrefurl=http://frostedcake.blogspot.com/2009/11/thanksgiving-pie-cake-order-today.html&docid=C-g6wfgXpp1uoM&imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XMVO6g31rAc/SwRMf8uIh9I/AAAAAAAAAsg/8JMYlAdz_5Y/s1600/tfcs_piecake1.jpg&w=600&h=400&ei=65rYTsKYPITkmAWtsoHaCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=576&vpy=390&dur=1552&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=145&ty=63&sig=108767735039951451929&page=2&tbnh=152&tbnw=203&start=16&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:16

 

Another possibility is that she is a double factor spangle that is masking recessive pied

 

 

The only way to be sure of her mutation is to breed from her and look at the chicks

 

 

Thank you, Neville. I forgot to mention, and I know it's not conclusive evidence, but that store I got her from has never ever had any spangles. It seems unlikely (but not impossible) for them to get in a DF but never a SF. BUT, when I got her, there were many recessive pieds and what looked like dom pieds, but could also have been clearflight pieds running around in there. And they had other whites and yellows (and YFs), some with red eyes and some with black.

 

 

I knew you'd say breeding would be the way to tell. My wish list of pairs waiting for nest boxes is getting too long! But if I get to her, which would be better, a normal or a normal/rec.pied?