Hi All,

I have a little pet/type hen in aviary, she was leaning on perch and favouring one foot so I caught her to check, no blood, no wound, eased her legs in and out to check hips could not see any problem. She eats, flies, is chatting to her last mate etc. But every time she lands on perch she "lays" on it she grips with her feet on landing but it's as if her legs won't hold her body up. Adding pictures.

 

 

 

 

 

Any clues as to what it could be? she reared 8 babies ( 2 fostered) in aug sept. Don't know if that has any bearing on it.

Hi Robyn, How old is your hen? I haven't experienced this myself, but what you are describing sounds a bit like gout, or a abdo tumour. I have been researching a bit as my very first and most special budgie has had an abdo mass recently diagnosed. If the mass/tumour/enlargement what ever you want to call it, presses on the nerve leading to the leg, it can lead to the bird favouring that leg. If gout, you should be able to see some swelling in the foot joints. I hoope this isn't what your hen has. I asked about age as both conditions are usually seen in older budgies.

 

I hope she is just tired out and needs a nanna-nap, but I have also seen my boy almost lying on the perch too, although not favouring any leg.

Also is a sign of lack of calcium..catch her up, cage her and dose her up on calcivet.

 

Read this http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=29320&st=30&p=352149&hl=thundra&fromsearch=1entry352149 and read up on my hen Thundra

Edited November 15, 201113 yr by **KAZ**

Hi Robyn, How old is your hen? I haven't experienced this myself, but what you are describing sounds a bit like gout, or a abdo tumour. I have been researching a bit as my very first and most special budgie has had an abdo mass recently diagnosed. If the mass/tumour/enlargement what ever you want to call it, presses on the nerve leading to the leg, it can lead to the bird favouring that leg. If gout, you should be able to see some swelling in the foot joints. I hoope this isn't what your hen has. I asked about age as both conditions are usually seen in older budgies.

 

I hope she is just tired out and needs a nanna-nap, but I have also seen my boy almost lying on the perch too, although not favouring any leg.

 

Thanks Hezz, I don't know how old this hen is she was about my first bird purchased at pet shop. She's a very productive hen lays up to 10 eggs a clutch. Relly great Mum as well.

She doesn't seem to have any swelling either in joints or abdomen.

 

Reading Kaz reply I think that may be more on the money because she had a clutch of six of her own + 2 infertile, fostered 2 more so maybe lack of calcium could be it. Thanks for you reply though.

 

Also is a sign of lack of calcium..catch her up, cage her and dose her up on calcivet.

 

Read this http://forums.budgie...=1 and read up on my hen Thundra

Thanks Kaz seems to "fit" any time limit on when she may improve or how long to continue with treatment?

 

Hi Robyn, How old is your hen? I haven't experienced this myself, but what you are describing sounds a bit like gout, or a abdo tumour. I have been researching a bit as my very first and most special budgie has had an abdo mass recently diagnosed. If the mass/tumour/enlargement what ever you want to call it, presses on the nerve leading to the leg, it can lead to the bird favouring that leg. If gout, you should be able to see some swelling in the foot joints. I hoope this isn't what your hen has. I asked about age as both conditions are usually seen in older budgies.

 

I hope she is just tired out and needs a nanna-nap, but I have also seen my boy almost lying on the perch too, although not favouring any leg.

 

Thanks Hezz, I don't know how old this hen is she was about my first bird purchased at pet shop. She's a very productive hen lays up to 10 eggs a clutch. Relly great Mum as well.

She doesn't seem to have any swelling either in joints or abdomen.

 

Reading Kaz reply I think that may be more on the money because she had a clutch of six of her own + 2 infertile, fostered 2 more so maybe lack of calcium could be it. Thanks for you reply though.

 

Also is a sign of lack of calcium..catch her up, cage her and dose her up on calcivet.

 

Read this http://forums.budgie...=1 and read up on my hen Thundra

Thanks Kaz seems to "fit" any time limit on when she may improve or how long to continue with treatment?

 

 

Kaz this picture is exactly how my hen looks.

Hi All,

I have a little pet/type hen in aviary, she was leaning on perch and favouring one foot so I caught her to check, no blood, no wound, eased her legs in and out to check hips could not see any problem. She eats, flies, is chatting to her last mate etc. But every time she lands on perch she "lays" on it she grips with her feet on landing but it's as if her legs won't hold her body up. Adding pictures.

 

 

 

 

 

Any clues as to what it could be? she reared 8 babies ( 2 fostered) in aug sept. Don't know if that has any bearing on it.

I have a hen that carries on the same way as yours,a mate of mine diagnosed it as hip displacement ,i am inclined to agree.That said ,my hen breeds fine and the problem doesn't seem to bother her.I will take a picture of her and upload it later today so you can have a look.

 

Hi All,

I have a little pet/type hen in aviary, she was leaning on perch and favouring one foot so I caught her to check, no blood, no wound, eased her legs in and out to check hips could not see any problem. She eats, flies, is chatting to her last mate etc. But every time she lands on perch she "lays" on it she grips with her feet on landing but it's as if her legs won't hold her body up. Adding pictures.

 

 

 

 

 

Any clues as to what it could be? she reared 8 babies ( 2 fostered) in aug sept. Don't know if that has any bearing on it.

I have a hen that carries on the same way as yours,a mate of mine diagnosed it as hip displacement ,i am inclined to agree.That said ,my hen breeds fine and the problem doesn't seem to bother her.I will take a picture of her and upload it later today so you can have a look.

Here are the pictures,see how the mother lays over the perch.She has been like that for a couple of years,she flies breeds and shes an excellent mother.

Edited November 15, 201113 yr by PJI

Thanks for that PJI, Looks very similar as well. I think I"ll still treat for calcium deficiency, if it's a case of either or I don't suppose it will hurt but may cure her. She doesn't seem to be in any pain or discomfort whichever it is.

Hi all, I am looking for a clue as to what is the problem with my bird. The blue hen is slightly improved but still not really upright on perch, I now have a second bird with similar symptoms.. Its alert, climbing around hosp. cage not fluffed or sick looking, he's eating, poop looks normal. But lying on perch more than sitting.

BUT

if it loses it's footing when climbing, it falls down to floor

 

if it lands on it's side, it has trouble righting itself to get up,

 

landed on it's back at one stage and struggled to turn over.

 

When he perches has trouble keeping his balance.

 

He's about 2 yrs old. I have soluble iodine in aviary water, reading up on Iodine toxicity, it doesn't seem to fit.

 

Metal poisoning etc doesn't fit. No changes to aviary to cause this.

 

one bird o.k but now I have 2 I'm at a loss. any thoughts as to possible cause? I have added calcivet to blue hens water.

 

Can anyone shed any light on these symptoms? First indication is the lying on perch,( blue hen a couple of weeks thought maybe she had injured leg). This cock couple days noticed him lying on perch, he's bright , shredding paper in cage, climbing etc but seems to be "hypo" he's up down flitting along perch at a fast pace.

 

He seems to be lacking in balance co-ordination, he misses the perch and falls or drags himself up by the beak, like he's drunk?

 

I don't know what may be the cause. Food, environment ? but it's the same for all 50 birds.

 

Following are pics of 2nd bird. showing his stance on perch Note the hump on his rump, no swelling, tumours just his stance.

 

I might add he lost his tail feathers when fledging and got stuck, they have never re-grown.

 

 

 

bright eyed and alert

 

front view

 

note "hump"

 

as a p.s blue hen had same "hump" look she is now just about back to normal. got me beat !!!

If it were my birds I would be looking at anything that may be toxic. Maybe something is affecting absorbtion of calcium and other essential stuff causing the birds to slump?

 

I am guessing at an overdosing of something or a poison of some sort, but a guess is all it is.

Thank's fordmob,

I've been thinking along the lines of that but can't for the life of me think what it may be. They have had same seed for weeks but this last bag I wasn't happy with, lot of debis, dust etc in it. I have just changed to a new brand. Neither bird has had new stuff until to-day. I wash any greens etc from garden and make sure hubby hasn't sprayed anything around aviary or garden. I have recently rewired flight, but blue hen was "sick" before that happened green fellow was locked away in aviary while this occured as well. New wire washed down with vinegar and hosed before birds were let in it.

As I said I have the soluble iodine in water of all aviary birds. Symptoms don't match toxicity from iodine. Apart from this they just get their normal greens, corn on cob etc. I

 

Would it hurt to add calcivet to aviary water for a while for all birds? They have access to open sun for vit.d (when sun shines that is)

Have been doing some reading, I am putting my money on the iodine....

 

How much are you putting in and for how long have you done it?

 

Excessive iodine casues hyperthyroidism which symptoms in people include:

 

• Appetite change (decrease or increase)
• Difficulty sleeping (insomnia)
• Fatigue
• Frequent bowel movement—perhaps diarrhea
• Heart palpitations
• Heat intolerance
• Increased sweating
• Irritability
• Light menstrual periods—perhaps even missed periods
• Mental disturbances
• Muscle weakness
• Nervousness
• Problems with fertility
• Shortness of breath
• Sudden paralysis
• Tremor/shakiness
• Vision changes
• Weight loss-but perhaps weight gain
• Dizziness
• Thinning of hair
• Itching and hives
• Possible increase in blood sugar

Edited December 1, 201113 yr by fordmob

Hi, I've been using the iodine in their water since about april 2010, (when I had a cock bird whose cere kept changing to brown) so on advice. about every second water change. I use sipper type bottles and add 7 drops per litre water. I don't have additional iodine blocks, just cuttle fish and shell grit is available to birds at all times. I have stopped the iodine for now to see if there are any changes, one way or the other in birds.

Robbin i agree with dan

although parilization is lack calcium like kaz says

food poisoning also does same as with od of mineral iodine in water can build up i give mine the benidine type mouth wash for humans type one at 8 drops a lt and one time a week for a while but no longer now i do it every twice a month only

they get iodine in other stuff to

calsium if your are not giving it regularly is most likly or food poisoning

i lost 6 birds to food poisoning last few months and all my chick loses worked out to be seed and the Oates parilization is first sighn and dry mouth

Thanks G.B,

This puzzle is getting stranger by the day. I have checked aviary this morning, I put blue hen back in aviary as she has improved to the point she is now chewing at wood etc looking like she's in breeding conditon !! no hump etc and perching as normal. Green bird 's co-ordination looks better, he doesn't miss perch now. They don't have paralysis more hypo- active, just the stance and loss of co-ordination.

 

I'm thinking now, toxic but what !!

I gave blue hen avical a few days ago: don't think it would have worked that quickly if it was calcium deficiency.

 

I only removed iodine from water 2 days ago. If it was Iodine would birds be recovering if it was iodine buildup?

 

next question why just 2 birds, (fingers crossed) when all birds have same seed etc? If it was crook seed e.g. wouldn't all birds be, not sick as such, but out of whack??

 

I'm going to keep notes on this one for future reference, to try to pinpoint the cause if it happens again.

Thanks G.B,

This puzzle is getting stranger by the day. I have checked aviary this morning, I put blue hen back in aviary as she has improved to the point she is now chewing at wood etc looking like she's in breeding conditon !! no hump etc and perching as normal. Green bird 's co-ordination looks better, he doesn't miss perch now. They don't have paralysis more hypo- active, just the stance and loss of co-ordination.

 

I'm thinking now, toxic but what !!

I gave blue hen avical a few days ago: don't think it would have worked that quickly if it was calcium deficiency.

 

I only removed iodine from water 2 days ago. If it was Iodine would birds be recovering if it was iodine buildup?

 

next question why just 2 birds, (fingers crossed) when all birds have same seed etc? If it was crook seed e.g. wouldn't all birds be, not sick as such, but out of whack??

 

I'm going to keep notes on this one for future reference, to try to pinpoint the cause if it happens again.

 

NO NOT ALL BIRDS WILL BE EFFECTED BY FOOD TAINTING

 

older , very young and the pigs usually

most just look tad lethargic chatter quietly while sitting one leg up normal poo just bit litter or darker green try giving them all a serve of tea weak black

Edited December 1, 201113 yr by GenericBlue