I never thought this day would come but I am thinking of breeding in the near/semi near future.

 

I've been talking to a lot of parrot people and... well, I'm finding peace with some of the moral issues. I've always been against breeding because of the homes it takes away from rescue birds but...there are no rescues within even hundreds of miles from me. (I'm not exaggerating... the nearest rescue is 6+ hours away and don't adopt out of the area.)

 

Everyone here gets their pets from pet stores and become completely uneducated about their new pets. So...why would it be bad for me to give these people another option? I'd feel bad for the pet store birds but at least I would be able to educate others... um.

 

Just talk me out of this.

 

Please?

 

If I did breed I would do it responsibly, with research, healthy birds, and after learning how to hand feed the chicks in case it's needed.

 

My views have changed a little. If anyone wants to discuss this please reply! I'm having really conflicted thoughts about it.

 

just breed and if any birdies need rescuing near you just get them too

 

its great for pets to have babies and i know that you are really well educated on the subject, and you wouldnt need to go through the agony of quaranteening birds, i think the pleasure off seeing a cluch grow up each day is about the same as knowing that you have removed a bird from a bad situation, even if you got pet store birds insted those uneducated people would still be able to ge a budgie, the store would simply buy more, and then that breeder would breed more, so the way i see it eather way more birds would be bred and you would be safe in the knowlage that you are doing it the best you can and you have the added pleasure of seeing them grow up in the first 6 weeks (am i still making sense, im not sure (Laughing out loud)) wee if im not then the overall jist was go for it

OMG devvle! is that really you posting? (Laughing out loud)! i really never thought i would see the day!

 

what suddenly made you think of breeding? what are your motivations? would you aim to get a little bit of extra money out of it? would you plan to keep some or all of the babies?

 

if you are planning to sell them all, do you think there will be enough demand in the area? do you have room for building a small outside aviary if necessary? would you do all the breeding indoors?

 

just curious and hopefully by answering my questions you will feel a bit more confident in your decision! whatever that may be.

 

also are the birds you have from pet shops? if so then can you be sure of their genetic history? it can be very very risky to breed pet shop birds.

Edited May 17, 200519 yr by pixie25

If:

 

1. You have people lined up to take your birds

 

2. You are prepared to keep them if they don't take them.

 

3. You don't in-breed

 

4. You don't expect to make money (because you won't - you care too much)

 

Go right ahead!

 

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just breed and if any birdies need rescuing near you just get them too

 

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I'm pretty sure I understood what you meant. The way I'm thinking, my breeding isn't going to do any harm to a rescue since well...there isn't a rescue. And doing harm to the pet stores is ultimately a *good* thing.

 

 

OMG devvle! is that really you posting?    (Laughing out loud)! i really never thought i would see the day!

 

what suddenly made you think of breeding? what are your motivations? would you aim to get a little bit of extra money out of it? would you plan to keep some or all of the babies?

 

if you are planning to sell them all, do you think there will be enough demand in the area? do you have room for building a small outside aviary if necessary? would you do all the breeding indoors?

 

just curious and hopefully by answering my questions you will feel a bit more confident in your decision! whatever that may be.

 

also are the birds you have from pet shops? if so then can you be sure of their genetic history? it can be very very risky to breed pet shop birds.

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I know, I can't believe myself. It started with a discussion in a parrotlet email group. Someone asked about budgies as pets and all these people started talking about how they're only good for "watching" and not for interaction. Obviously, that struck a nerve and I gave my views which were well-accepted. I felt like I really educated a few people tonight. It felt great. Imagine how educational it would be for me to breed these birds, train them, take them into schools, and teach young children about proper pet care.

 

Furthermore, I don't know if you've read that thread yet but I learned a lot about hand feeding budgies today too. There are some very experienced people who talked to me about it and...well, my views *might* change on that as well. I need to keep researching and make up my own mind in the end though.

 

Budgies are really becoming a passion to me so if I do breed, it will be the right way. I wouldn't breed the birds I have right now unless I found some way to ensure that they weren't inbred somewhere along the line. (I know the owner of the store where they were bred so it *might* be possible to find this information. He's out of business now so I'm not a threat to that).

 

I am not at all in it for the money. I know the work I put in will mostly be rewarded by doing something I really love rather than being paid off financially. I really love these birds and would love to see people discover their potential.

 

If I breed I'd like to locate a responsible breeder to sort of help me through the process. If that's not possible I guess I'll have to read as many books as I can get my hands on.

 

Also, as far as finding the birds homes, I'm not going to attempt to get a lot of birds. I think I'd start with just one clutch to see how well-received they are in my city. If I have trouble finding them homes then I won't pursue it any further and the babies will always have a home with me. I don't have an aviary but I really want this to be more of a personal thing anyway. I want to breed indoors and start taming the chicks as soon as possible. The biggest point of this is to produce birds that are going to be less skittish and afraid around humans so that people will realize just how much potential they have.

 

I'd just love to break apart this horrible idea that people get when they see a budgie. Every baby would go home with a comprehensive care sheet and not just anyone would be able to take them. So, obviously, this is going to cost more money than it's going to produce. Especially since I want to do it on a very small, personal scale.

 

I'd love more of your insight though. I'm glad you asked those questions, that is what I was hoping for.

 

If:

 

1.  You have people lined up to take your birds

 

2.  You are prepared to keep them if they don't take them.

 

3.  You don't in-breed

 

4.  You don't expect to make money (because you won't - you care too much)

 

Go right ahead!

 

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As I told Pixie, I would start with just one clutch, I don't want a ton of babies. If I have trouble finding those babies homes that will be the end of it and they'll have a forever home with me. I won't breed birds unless I know they're unrelated and from healthy stock. And as far as money goes, I expect to spend more than I will receive.

You obviously arnt comfortable, otherwise there'd be no need for this post, eh? My totally honest view is, why add to a problem of overload? Im not a 'breeder hater', but im a rescue 'doer'. The way I see it, unless you are a highly trained avian specialist, and you are trying to breed birds that are close to extinction, then why do it. I know I am partaking in a breeders forum everytime I log in here, but when I see birds like Albert, left to die a horrible death because of ignorance before puchase etc, then it drums into my head even more the need to try and educate the people who own the birds that are already here, rather than add more birds for more ignorant people to buy. Its very much two-way ground, and Im extremely respectful of Adams forum, a breeders forum, so I mean no harm or disrespect to anyone, I hope everyone realises that. This is just my personal oppinion. I myself have ached and dreamed about breeding budgies, watching them develop from a tiny egg, into the beautiful little bird we all know and love. THEN i walk into a store, and see 30 or 40 babies crammed in a cage, and no-one truly cares what happens to them, least of all the store selling them, so long as the money comes in. Would *I* ever buy a baby bird from a store or a breeder knowing there are thousands out there desperate for a good home? I hope not, but I truly cant say I wouldnt. I am human. So, I just might be tempted. I see where yuo are coming from, and I do realise that people breed because they love the birds so much, they want to add more. BUT, there is a huge problem. Too easily obtained, too easilly 'disposed' of. If something at the back of your mind is causing you concern, then look deeply into that before you go any further. No beating up meant by this reply, just a view of a 'rescuer' who struggles with the want of, and the love of baby birds herself. THEN, I look at Snowy (rescue) Queenie (rescue rose breasted cockatoo) and of course, Albert. All once unwanted, uncared about. All 'surplus stock'.

My honest oppinion, given in friendship.

Anne

You obviously arnt comfortable, otherwise there'd be no need for this post, eh? My totally honest view is, why add to a problem of overload? Im not a 'breeder hater', but im a rescue 'doer'. The way I see it, unless you are a highly trained avian specialist, and you are trying to breed birds that are close to extinction, then why do it. I know I am partaking in a breeders forum everytime I log in here, but when I see birds like Albert, left to die a horrible death because of ignorance before puchase etc, then it drums into my head even more the need to try and educate the people who own the birds that are already here, rather than add more birds for more ignorant people to buy. Its very much two-way ground, and Im extremely respectful of Adams forum, a breeders forum, so I mean no harm or disrespect to anyone, I hope everyone realises that. This is just my personal oppinion. I myself have ached and dreamed about breeding budgies, watching them develop from a tiny egg, into the beautiful little bird we all know and love. THEN i walk into a store, and see 30 or 40 babies crammed in a cage, and no-one truly cares what happens to them, least of all the store selling them, so long as the money comes in. Would *I* ever buy a baby bird from a store or a breeder knowing there are thousands out there desperate for a good home? I hope not, but I truly cant say I wouldnt. I am human. So, I just might be tempted. I see where yuo are coming from, and I do realise that people breed because they love the birds so much, they want to add more. BUT, there is a huge problem. Too easily obtained, too easilly 'disposed' of. If something at the back of your mind is causing you concern, then look deeply into that before you go any further. No beating up meant by this reply, just a view of a 'rescuer'  who struggles with the want of, and the love of baby birds herself. THEN, I look at Snowy (rescue) Queenie (rescue rose breasted cockatoo) and of course, Albert. All once unwanted, uncared about. All 'surplus stock'.

My honest oppinion, given in friendship.

Anne

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Thanks for your reply, it's very much appreciated and respected.

 

That is the biggest issue for me. Would I be taking homes away from birds in need of rescue? A part of me would feel guilty about the birds in pet stores because in a way, they do need to be rescued. On the other hand, with each pet store "rescue" you give them more space to add more birds to that cramped up cage.

 

No one in my area has the opportunity to get a rescue bird or even a bird from a responsible breeder. All we have are pet stores. While there is a fairly good store about an hour away, they're still a pet store and even though they have many great traits, most people aren't going to drive that hour just to get a budgie that they can get (for a cheaper price) in their own city. Also, it's still a pet store. While they do a pretty good job of taking each sale seriously, a lot more could be done about educating each and every person who leaves the store with an animal.

 

Everything you've said I have taken to heart. I'm going to give this a lot of thought but I want you to know that if I breed it's not just to add more birds to my flock or the overall population. It's so that I can give others the chance to discover the potential that these birds have at becoming great pets. No bird would leave without a very comprehensive care sheet and a "lecture" from me. I love my animals too much to settle for less than the best home.

 

That being said, I'm going to keep thinking on this and weigh the pros and cons, not for myself, but for budgies in general.

Just got to add this point also. If there isnt a rescue even near you, and all of a sudden everyone around yuo starts breeding, how long do you think it will be before a rescue is needed? And WHEN the rescue is needed, how will you feel? One of the babies you bred MAY be in there one day. THATS what stops me.

Im glad you are seeking answers, but the chice can only be yours at the end of the day. again, its simply my oppinion given in friendship

Anne.

as you have obviously researched the topic thoroughly and are very responsible when it comes to moral issues and such like i dont think it would be a bad idea to have a go with just the one clutch. see how things go. i like the idea that the babies will be part trained before they go to a new home. its amazing how much potential these little birds have.

 

good luck tracing the birds history, hopefully you have found a small local breeder that will be able to provide you with all the breeding details of past years.

 

if, for some reason you cant trace them properly, would you buy a new pair to breed?

 

i think its great that you want to teach people more about these beautiful little birdies! they have so much to offer and i think you are the right person for the job devvle

Just got to add this point also. If there isnt a rescue even near you,  and all of a sudden everyone around yuo starts breeding, how long do you think it will be before a rescue is needed? And WHEN the rescue is needed, how will you feel? One of the babies you bred MAY be in there one day. THATS what stops me.

Im glad you are seeking answers, but the chice can only be yours at the end of the day. again, its simply my oppinion given in friendship

Anne.

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That's also a good point but as I mentioned earlier, I am not looking to breed on a large scale or hand birds off to just anyone. I'm hoping to educate others and maybe that will spread? The problem with budgies around here (probably all over the world) is that people see them as disposable, cheap birds with no potential to be good pets. They leave the store with no clue of what they're taking home with them. Those are the birds that I imagine will got into a rescue before the ones who go to educated owners.

 

For example, I can't imagine anyone from this forum sending their birds to a rescue. Why? Because they're educated. A lot of rescue birds are from people who just had no clue what they were getting into. Most of them are probably from pet stores and irresponsible breeders. If anything, I think I'd help decrease the chances of this area needing a rescue.

 

Furthermore, by doing this on such a tiny scale, I can give new owners the option of returning the bird to me if things don't work out.

Im off again, (Laughing out loud)! I dont really think for a minute you will be taking away homes from birds who need rescue, I dont believe it works like that. What I do worry about is that hte 'lovely' homes the chicks may go to MAY create a bird in need of rescue, if you follow me. Devvle, you may breed the luckiest, most loved little birds, if you choose this path, then I pray that is the way it will be. I cant tell you what to do, I wouldnt dream of forcing MY views onto somebody else, we fought hard for freedom of choice, all I can say, as ive said already, think carefully, and dont get carried away. Be responsible for the innocent little lives. Im sure that if anyone would, you would, with the best of intentions. Allow yourself lots of thinking space and time

Anne

as you have obviously researched the topic thoroughly and are very responsible when it comes to moral issues and such like i dont think it would be a bad idea to have a go with just the one clutch. see how things go. i like the idea that the babies will be part trained before they go to a new home. its amazing how much potential these little birds have.

 

good luck tracing the birds history, hopefully you have found a small local breeder that will be able to provide you with all the breeding details of past years.

 

if, for some reason you cant trace them properly, would you buy a new pair to breed?

 

i think its great that you want to teach people more about these beautiful little birdies! they have so much to offer and i think you are the right person for the job devvle

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Thanks pixie. If I'm unable to trace the history of my birds I'll definitely get a completely different pair. However, it will take a lot of time because I don't want my breeders to be wild or untame. I want to get to know their personalities and breed docile, good-natured birds. This is why I hope to find my birds' histories. I know already that they are very sweet and feel that as far as personality goes, they have a lot to offer a person. I'm going to contact their breeder (he ran his own pet store for years---since I was tiny) and see if he has any records about their parenting.

(Laughing out loud) devvle, here's a good view from a total outsider who im chatting with on IM

okay, read the thread... I think your point came across fine! but... here's a thought. the breeder I know (dog) only sells to people that qualify. He doesnt breed without a waiting list... now if this person did their budgie breeding that way, with a contract stating that all budgies have to come back to them...

Rhonda says:

how would you feel?

Im Chirpy..Fly me!!! says:

I think she is heading in that direction to be honest rhon, she's deffinately not taking it lightly. Do you miond if I take your point of the 'waiting list' to the board?? I WISH you'd join!

Rhonda says:

(Laughing out loud)... I don't mind at all...

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I like her points actually ;o)

(Laughing out loud) devvle, here's a good view from a total outsider who im chatting with on IM

okay, read the thread...  I think your point came across fine!  but...  here's a thought.  the breeder I know (dog) only sells to people that qualify.  He doesnt breed without a waiting list... now if this person did their budgie breeding that way, with a contract stating that all budgies have to come back to them...

Rhonda says:

how would you feel?

Im Chirpy..Fly me!!! says:

I think she is heading in that direction to be honest rhon, she's deffinately not taking it lightly. Do you miond if I take your point of the 'waiting list' to the board?? I WISH you'd join! 

Rhonda says:

(Laughing out loud)... I don't mind at all...

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Thanks chirpy. Yeah that would be one of the points I would make clear to any potential buyer. If it didn't work out, the bird MUST return to me. And if they had any problems I'd be available to help them work through it. The bird wouldn't be forgotten the moment it went out the door and to its new home. I think a lot of people would appreciate that. I just want them to take it as seriously as I do and if they don't they can just keep going (unfortunately they'd probably go right to a pet store but they'd miss out on an already-tame bird and a lot of guidance and help.)

xx

Anne

Devvle, I would not even consider trying to talk you out of it...... what possible harm could come of you offering hearty, healthy, well-kept budgies to your local area that come in direct competition with pet stores ? Nothing! I think you would be doing your locale a GREAT service by offering birds that have been raised with your incredible dedication and TLC, and screening buyers to make sure they are up to the task. The only issue might be whether you have the stomach to put up with some of the disheartening things that occur with death, special-needs budgies, bad parents, etc. You are so full of love for these little creatures I can see how that might be really hard to deal with (and I know this because I am the SAME way). Other than that, I say GO FOR IT, and besides, how bad could it be to have such CUTE little baby budgies around ???

 

Given your area demographics I don't see how there's anything negative to consider...... go for it!!!!!!!!

 

Jayson

Thanks to ALL of you for your responses (and to anyone who responds after this, I'm still open to listening to opinions and ideas). At this point, I'm feeling good about going ahead with breeding. I personally feel that I have something to give to these birds and to people who aren't yet familiar with how great budgies are.

 

I probably won't even start for several, several months. Right now I want to concentrate on doing more research and getting all the supplies ready. I want to be as ready as I possibly can be before I do this. I think I'll also work on creating a detailed care sheet *and* a website before even delving into this.

 

I'll let you know how it goes. As of now, consider me in "research" mode. The next step will be purchasing supplies.

Does anyone know of a good up to date book about breeding?

WOW, i'm amazed! I never thought you would even think of breeding devvle! I think it's a fab experience but even i'm rethinking whether or not to breed again. I think i will because i know that i have homes for them to go to. If you want to go ahead i think it would be a good experience to breed and raise one clutch. You might find it harder than you think to part with the little angels! Be warned...you may be overrun with budgies! :mellow:

Be warned...you may be overrun with budgies! :mellow:

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....flashbacks.....

 

When it comes down to it, will you really be able to part with any of them? Not that I'm the best example or anything, but for me once you've seen the eggs, heard the peeps, seen the helpless little babies, seen the little eyes open, watched the feathers begin to poke through, studied the new dynamics between the budgie parents, cleaned the nest box, cupped your hands inside and watched some babies climb through like it's nothing (and they are softer than you can imagine) and others pretend to disappear in the corner and others gently nibble on your fingers and of course heard the one who screams bloody murder and freaks out the hen (the first time it happens you will jump! LOL), seen little heads poke out of the nest box hole, watched very wobbly babies learn to perch, seen them beg for food (CUTE!), watched them beat their heads across the ceiling during their first flight, AND know that they will fearlessly perch on your finger or shoulder as you carry them through the house, not flying away (at least not for the first few weeks), trusting you because they don't know any different yet... I was a sucker for cuteness.

 

Putting aside the fact that the babies will be too cute to sell...if you go through with this, you may want to put aside some $$$ for emergency vet fees should your hen become eggbound or for well-baby checkups for two clutches of chicks, guess 4-5 babies per clutch, plus whatever meds they may need (yeast overgrowth is very common and you probably won't know there is a problem until the gram stain results come back). $$$ for extra cages, because the first clutch will not be able to still live in the same cage as the nestbox with new eggs in it. They are much too curious and still want to return to the box as long as it is hung. This spells trouble for baby birds, as they don't get why mommy won't let them go back in (unless they are Mystery - hence one of the reasons for her name ) and they keep getting attacked whenever they go near - which is all the time, because they don't get it.

 

On a completely serious note, I find your reasons for wanting to breed to be very sound and well thought out. If you decide to do it, I think you are on the right track with how you will educate prospective caretakers. I would drive out to see the babies.

Well, Rainbow. When you put it that way I don't know that I'd be able to part with them. I can try though. I definitely want to plan ahead so that if I can't find them homes or I have trouble parting with them, they'll have plenty of space with me and a happy life.

 

Good point about the vet visits. That's actually something I've been wanting to do for a while now; start a savings account specifically for vet visits. Wow...there's so much I want to do before I breed. It's probably going to be a looong time. Do you know of any good books I should read first? Any idea where I can get a decent breeding pair? I'd love to breed Paris, I love everything about him but I can't do it unless I somehow confirm that he's got a good background.

 

I also want to learn how to handfeed but there are no breeders around. However, Petsmart does handfeeding classes for people who are interested in buying a baby parrot that still needs it. I wonder if it would help if I sat in and watched something like that a few times? I don't want to get stuck with handfeeding and not know what I'm doing.

 

I'm really getting excited about it. Not just breeding but making the care sheets and website, talking to people... I would LOVE to go visit classrooms and talk about not just budgies but proper pet care in general. Believe it or not, I'm a really shy person and the only time I feel truly comfortable and happy is when I'm talking to people about animals. It would actually help me at the same time as helping the birds and the children/teachers who would be listening.

 

For the longest time I've wanted to do something to help educate the public about how great budgies (and parrots) are and I haven't found my place until now. Who knew it might be through breeding?? Even if breeding doesn't quite work out for me, I plan to try and visit schools with my birds anyway and teach children a little bit about birds. The advantage breeding would give me is that I would finally be in the position to tell new owners face to face what budgies need and hand out care sheets. I can't do that right now because well...the pet stores would not be happy about it at all. Of course, if I have trouble giving up the babies that's going to put a damper on that particular part of my plan. :X

 

It would be great to have you out to see the babies too! Maybe you could take a few home with you? :(Laughing out loud):

Some people are good at selling babies, hence we have breeders, and others...well not so much. I appear to be in the latter category. I had every intention of selling all of the babies, I really did, but I just couldn't. If you get easily attached you might have a tough time of it. And 10 birds are very dusty.

 

 

Any idea where I can get a decent breeding pair? I'd love to breed Paris, I love everything about him but I can't do it unless I somehow confirm that he's got a good background.

 

I've got.... Just kidding. There is a breeder up here somewhere, but he has exhibition budgies and not pet size like ours. I might have his card somewhere, I can try to find it if you want the larger budgies. I don't know anything about his setup, but if I remember correctly he also judges shows so he should be knowledgeable.

 

I also want to learn how to handfeed but there are no breeders around. However, Petsmart does handfeeding classes for people who are interested in buying a baby parrot that still needs it. I wonder if it would help if I sat in and watched something like that a few times? I don't want to get stuck with handfeeding and not know what I'm doing.

 

That would be a good idea if they would let you. The one up here does that too, but I hate the fact they are selling unweaned babies. In my opinion, that should not be allowed. Otherwise maybe your vet could show you. Have you ever given oral meds? It's similar in that you need to make sure you angle the syringe from your right to your left to get it down the right pipe.

 

 

I'm really getting excited about it. Not just breeding but making the care sheets and website, talking to people... I would LOVE to go visit classrooms and talk about not just budgies but proper pet care in general. Believe it or not, I'm a really shy person and the only time I feel truly comfortable and happy is when I'm talking to people about animals. It would actually help me at the same time as helping the birds and the children/teachers who would be listening.

 

 

For the longest time I've wanted to do something to help educate the public about how great budgies (and parrots) are and I haven't found my place until now. Who knew it might be through breeding?? Even if breeding doesn't quite work out for me, I plan to try and visit schools with my birds anyway and teach children a little bit about birds. The advantage breeding would give me is that I would finally be in the position to tell new owners face to face what budgies need and hand out care sheets. I can't do that right now because well...the pet stores would not be happy about it at all. Of course, if I have trouble giving up the babies that's going to put a damper on that particular part of my plan. :X

 

:beer: Excellent! And education is really the key, isn't it? I don't think most people are bad pet owners, they are uneducated pet owners.

 

 

It would be great to have you out to see the babies too! Maybe you could take a few home with you? 

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I was afraid of that! It would be hard not to.

Yes Rainbow. Breed just one last time and get me a good pair! Um...unless they're all siblings, that would not be good. Er... yeah you'll have to breed a couple of times with unrelated pairs and *then* get me a good breeding pair.

 

Are his exhibition budgies the English ones or just a larger size of the American type? I'm not all that into English budgies but otherwise he might be worth looking into! I'd really like to have my breeding pair tame as well. I think that would make things go a lot more smoothly and I would be able to judge their temperment better.

Hello Rainbow It's me Angela121

 

it's been awhile now well me n my son jon have now got 8 budgies and three chicks two fron one maiden hen and one from an older her who did not look after it so it's been fostered with the maiden hen. So now have 11 birds. Not bad considering i only started with one this time last year.

 

I know what you mean about giving them up i just couldn't do it they all have their own little personalities and my sick hen will be very docile and freindly if she lives because we have handeled her a lot during her illness so she has come to trust us.

 

A lesson for all others out there if you are soppy about fluffy things like me don't become a breeder because every bird you breed will be special to you an hard to part with.

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Yes Rainbow. Breed just one last time and get me a good pair! Um...unless they're all siblings, that would not be good.  :oliveb: Er... yeah you'll have to breed a couple of times with unrelated pairs and *then* get me a good breeding pair.

 

Are his exhibition budgies the English ones or just a larger size of the American type? I'm not all that into English budgies but otherwise he might be worth looking into! I'd really like to have my breeding pair tame as well. I think that would make things go a lot more smoothly and I would be able to judge their temperment better.

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His budgies are the large "English type".

 

 

Hello Rainbow  It's me Angela121

 

it's been awhile now well me n my son jon have now got 8 budgies and three chicks two fron one maiden hen and one from an older her who did not look after it so it's been fostered with the maiden hen.  So now have 11 birds.  Not bad considering i only started with one  this time last year.

 

I know what you mean about giving them up i just couldn't do it they all have their own little personalities and my sick hen will be very docile and freindly if she lives because we have handeled her a lot during her illness so she has come to trust us.

 

A lesson for all others out there if you are soppy about fluffy things like me don't become a breeder because every bird you breed will be special to you an hard to part with.

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Soppy about fluffy things....what an accurate way to phrase that! That's exactly how it is! Good luck with nursing your sick hen back to health.

set up a rescue centre instead???????