hey everyone

some of you may hear me mention my flight/breeding room is really just c r a p

well just to fill you in a bit

 

ive done everything i can to make my flights the best for my birds health

i went as far as lining it and adding a pop out flight for the summer

i split it into two flight on one side and breeders on other

i layed terracotta paves and its totally mouse proof

it has two side doors for ventilation /stopping draft

a vent in the roof to let out the heat and a it has shad cloth to keep heat off in summer

 

sounds good doesn't it

well ...... its not

ITS DOING MY HEAD IN

to the point im about ready to just sell all my birds and give it all in

im even prepared to sell the shed to anyone who is willing to come take it down and put back up

but it would be a rather big job in my opinion and i dont see anyone wanting to do that

 

and considering the only issue im really having with it is getting it fully finished it may be a rash decision to do that

 

its just as i prefer to not keep friends i don't have anyone to ask that can actually help me fix the stupid thing

dont get me wrong i have friends , more like acquaintances but i dont see these people day to day life or even talk to them

i thought id make friends at club and i have but again acquaintances throw the club nights and shows only not really how i pictured it

any one that will help me lives in either a different state or country and ones in vic or close to me most have said they will but never do

due to not having time or other reasons

and im just so depressed about it all ive been breeding almost 4 years show birds now and my shed was started the year before i started show birds and its still not finished

im sure it could be done in a day the things i can not do myself but as they are things i can not do myself that leaves no one to do them

and i can not do the things i can do myself until the main things are finished so im at a total loss

i was going to hire a hubby but its going to cost me so much i may as well just buy a whole new flight

 

which brings me to another issue ,

I ALREADY DID THAT but as im unable to put it up myself due to its size

its still sitting under my car port where its been for almost 11 months now

ive asked many people to help me ive even asked them to just come and put my new flight up so my birds can at least fly

they have been caged in holding cages for three months now and they need to fly its only going to take few hours to level a spot and put it their it just bolts together but again no one has time that ive asked

the only reason i culled my stock was room i couldnt stand seeing them all stuck in little cages so now i have only 30 hens and 15 cocks left

so they at least can move from each side of cage if they want happily with out bickering for a space to land

 

so ive come to the place where im just trying to find a dodge solution ( as we all know im all about dodge so long s it works and is safe )

so .....

my dodge idea is to cover the terracotta pavers with sand and gravel about 5 inches all over but to first cover the floor with concrete plastic to stop the rising damp

which is a issue im trying to resolve

then i need to know is silicon dangerous to the birds ?? and what else could i use to seal a leak from inside flight as im unable to climb ladders

(due to my injerys im unable to do alot of basic things ) why i cant fix my flight/breeding room alone

 

also i need to know how deep does a trench have to be around my shed to take rising moisture away after rains i can dig about a shovel in a half deep but thats about it so is that enough ?

 

please guys i need a solution as im just plain sick or haveing nothing that surrounds me actually workable or in full working order

my dads been doing things but hes waiting on a knee reconstruction and his knees so bad he can hardly walk at times and his hands are only half functional due to being caught and squashed in a press and to top it off hes only got one eye and hes half blind in that

so i have decided that given hes 60 plus dad isnt an option anymore hes helped enough and would kill himself just to finish it for me if he knew how much it was getting me down

theirs days i sit in their all day long just looking at my poor caged birds and cry

i really need help

im at my end .. and i know to give them up would be as damaging as the depression im feeling as they are basically what keeps me so im stuck in catch 22 position

im asking for ideas to help me right my situation

cheers in advance gb

You will work it out i know you can, i,ve got no ideas, could you mabey buy a small garden shed and bird proof it???

Hope all goes well.

You will work it out i know you can, i,ve got no ideas, could you mabey buy a small garden shed and bird proof it???

Hope all goes well.

Reading is a skill that assists you in giving advice................read back through and you will see why your answer does not help

 

gbs post

i was going to hire a hubby but its going to cost me so much i may as well just buy a whole new flight

 

which brings me to another issue ,

I ALREADY DID THAT but as im unable to put it up myself due to its size

its still sitting under my car port where its been for almost 11 months now

 

GB seems to have her new flights but noone to assist her to put it up. Whilst we are all kinda close on here as far as helpful with advice and birds etc, we dont all live close enough to help in a more physical way.

The solution is GB needs a workforce at her place to assist getting this aviary up and running and none of us are close enough distance-wise to help out.

Edited October 4, 201113 yr by **KAZ**

Well I sympathise with you corzstunt as you obviously would like to be helpful and express your support and in this case it is really hard which is why no one has actually posted so far with any positive suggestions

 

 

GB I do wish I could help too but those of us who would happily lend you a hand don't live anywhere near you and as you point out yourself you don't have anyone nearby to assist either and you have issues of your own which make physical work difficult.

 

So I'm sorry sweetheart I wish you well and when you can identify how and what help you need and then how to get it, then maybe you will be able to solve this conundrum yourself - 'cause I don't see how anyone else can do it for you.

I know how exactly how you feel hun it's the same around here when it comes to club members.

Honestly the only club member that has been here is Clearwing.

I have asked several to come but they never turn up.

As for helping with my bird room Clearwing helped and Greg, But even now I have to do most by myself.

Yesterday I chucked it with Greg and he actually went out and did something I couldn't do.

 

Gb I would cement over the pavers but then that would be something you can't do on your own either, I can't

cement either, I find it a frustrating job trying to get it smooth.

Anyway all I want to say i wish I lived closer because I would love to help.

I just hope some one on here sees your plea and comes to your aide hun.

 

I think your bird room /aviary is lovely , sounds like you just need to fix a few things, please

don't give up.

I know how exactly how you feel hun it's the same around here when it comes to club members.

Honestly the only club member that has been here is Clearwing.

I have asked several to come but they never turn up.

As for helping with my bird room Clearwing helped and Greg, But even now I have to do most by myself.

Yesterday I chucked it with Greg and he actually went out and did something I couldn't do.

 

Gb I would cement over the pavers but then that would be something you can't do on your own either, I can't

cement either, I find it a frustrating job trying to get it smooth.

Anyway all I want to say i wish I lived closer because I would love to help.

I just hope some one on here sees your plea and comes to your aide hun.

 

I think your bird room /aviary is lovely , sounds like you just need to fix a few things, please

don't give up.

 

its not that they wont come and help so much as they all work and then on weekends thats their only family time and time for their own birds splat

it is just a matter of fixing things but thats the whole thing as it was not finished ever because it seems to look working order no one seems to get whats wrong with it

i have explained and well no one seems to be able to help me

concreting over top wont help splat that was what i wanted to do to fix issues but ive been told by 5 people it wont work

people are happy to suggest ideas that are beyond my ability yet cant suggest anything i could do myself that would work

so what im wanting is a resolution i myself could do

 

at ren

your quote

Well I sympathise with you corzstunt as you obviously would like to be helpful and express your support Posted Image and in this case it is really hard which is why no one has actually posted so far with any positive suggestions Posted Image

 

 

GB I do wish I could help too but those of us who would happily lend you a hand don't live anywhere near you and as you point out yourself you don't have anyone nearby to assist either and you have issues of your own which make physical work difficult

.MY ISSUES ARE NOT THAT BAD I JUST NEED TWO PEOPLE IM BUT ONLY ONE

So I'm sorry sweetheart I wish you well and when you can identify how and what help you need and then how to get it, then maybe you will be able to solve this conundrum yourself - 'cause I don't see how anyone else can do it for you.

THAT MADE NO SCENE REN I KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE JUST NO ONE TO DO IT OR ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY CAN

but thanks for your well wishes

 

 

i know its basically a useless cry for help n all but im so so so at a loss guess i just figured you all may just toss ideas at me i relize no one can actually physically help but ideas no matter how stupid they may sound are they may just trigger a thought of my own that could work

 

i just really am not able to enjoy my birds when i cant house them properly and know they are safe

 

i was wondering if i just put sand and gravel in the flight for now would this be okay

so long as i baycox them 3 monthly

as its really just a damp floor im worryed about

Edited October 4, 201113 yr by **KAZ**

Gb I had sand aviaries for 5 years and I never had a sick bird from cocci etc, but now they are cement I seem to have more hassles.

So sand should be okay, every week I would finely sweep the poop out and it was clean, I actually found it easier than scraping cement.

 

Silicone I am not sure about but I have gap filler in my nest boxes and i haven't lost a bird from it.

 

Tell me what you are trying to fill and do and I will see I can help.

my dodge idea is to cover the terracotta pavers with sand and gravel about 5 inches all over but to first cover the floor with concrete plastic to stop the rising damp

which is a issue im trying to resolve

then i need to know is silicon dangerous to the birds ?? and what else could i use to seal a leak from inside flight as im unable to climb ladders

 

This sounds like a good idea GB.

 

What is causing the damp to rise?

 

I personally wouldn't worry about the silicone and just go ahead and use it.

 

In the latest aviary we built we laid a base of sand about 20cm deep, levelled it, placed the cement pavers and cemented in between them so there were no gaps. Then we sprinkled Garden Lime (not builders) over the pavers and laid sand about 2-3 inches thick. We've never had an issue with illness and maintenance is a 6 monthly affair. Under the perches we have put a metal grid so that the birds cannot get to the droppings so easily. Also we have pegged clear plastic to the base of the aviary so that when it rains the spill off doesn't splash into the aviary.

my dodge idea is to cover the terracotta pavers with sand and gravel about 5 inches all over but to first cover the floor with concrete plastic to stop the rising damp

which is a issue im trying to resolve

then i need to know is silicon dangerous to the birds ?? and what else could i use to seal a leak from inside flight as im unable to climb ladders

 

This sounds like a good idea GB.

 

What is causing the damp to rise?

 

I personally wouldn't worry about the silicone and just go ahead and use it.

 

In the latest aviary we built we laid a base of sand about 20cm deep, levelled it, placed the cement pavers and cemented in between them so there were no gaps. Then we sprinkled Garden Lime (not builders) over the pavers and laid sand about 2-3 inches thick. We've never had an issue with illness and maintenance is a 6 monthly affair. Under the perches we have put a metal grid so that the birds cannot get to the droppings so easily. Also we have pegged clear plastic to the base of the aviary so that when it rains the spill off doesn't splash into the aviary.

 

 

I dont think that will work well GB. I will PM you. I dont think it is necessarily rising damp, it is more gound water coming in on the low side. When it rains go out and check it out or tip a couple of bukets of water on the low side and see what happens. You need to find out where it is coming from and redirect it. Some pipe or even a trench and some gravel strategically placed might fix it.

my dodge idea is to cover the terracotta pavers with sand and gravel about 5 inches all over but to first cover the floor with concrete plastic to stop the rising damp

which is a issue im trying to resolve

then i need to know is silicon dangerous to the birds ?? and what else could i use to seal a leak from inside flight as im unable to climb ladders

 

 

 

I dont think that will work well GB. I will PM you. I dont think it is necessarily rising damp, it is more gound water coming in on the low side. When it rains go out and check it out or tip a couple of bukets of water on the low side and see what happens. You need to find out where it is coming from and redirect it. Some pipe or even a trench and some gravel strategically placed might fix it.

 

what it actually is is the bit between the back porch and the bird shed the little path to the carport where the cocky and my s hit answer to the bigger issue half set up and with the wrong type of parrot in it is that area gets flooded but not always mostly its just constantly wet their but the that doesn't affect the flight side that just causes mold to grow on breeding side a definitely issue in my view

the flight side is due to the window in the pop out never being finished its not sealed and bits of wood to keep the rain out have not been measured and cut to size so i cant place them on

i cant get on a ladder to fix the stupid leak on top of flight and half the roofs still not screwed in fully so it laggs down just anoying

im just like arhhhhhhhhhhh over all of it

 

 

i thought of a trench why i asked how deep one needs to be and all but i can see myself in hospital before this sh,... t sheds ever is finished

im so close but so far away from the whole thing being just enjoyable

i wouldnt even know what sides the low side to be honest

Edited October 4, 201113 yr by **KAZ**

GB hi from Tassie Just a suggestion do you have a self help group or sheltered workshop in your area it may do to see if you have they may be able to assist for a small donation if not is their a church youth group or a some service organisation who you can approach for help what about an aviculture club GB think outside the square. Hope it works out cheers TAZ D

Do you mean you are going to put builders plastic over the pavers, if so GB that won't work because it will get mouldy underneath.

What Dan says makes sense.

My new birdroom was getting moisture on one side, worked out that Gregs garden was next to it and he was watering it and the a build up of water in the dirt made the cement all wet. I have fixed the problem now, lol kicked him out of that area lol.

A trench doesn't have to be to deep, just as long as it drains the excess water away for the building.

Where abouts do you need to put the silicone.

 

GB hi from Tassie Just a suggestion do you have a self help group or sheltered workshop in your area it may do to see if you have they may be able to assist for a small donation if not is their a church youth group or a some service organisation who you can approach for help what about an aviculture club GB think outside the square. Hope it works out cheers TAZ D

 

Great idea Taz, that should work Gb, you have disabilities, check around.

I reckon from memory it would be the side closest to the fence. tip a bucket of water out and see which way the water runs.

 

What you really need to do is check where the water is getting in. It will be the wettest spot. isn't it the back wall toward the fence? where does it first come in?

 

And I think silicon is toxic.

 

Good idea Taz. I would do it myself if I wasn't three hours away.

GB hi from Tassie Just a suggestion do you have a self help group or sheltered workshop in your area it may do to see if you have they may be able to assist for a small donation if not is their a church youth group or a some service organisation who you can approach for help what about an aviculture club GB think outside the square. Hope it works out cheers TAZ D

 

lol i actually did think about getting the Mormons to help me they have a card down street work done for free this is due to their belief that they need to work for others for free for 15 hours a week or something along them lines

but being of Celtic /pagan beliefs i truly can not as its basically using their good fate of their beliefs to get my work done

and although i have no issue with their ways or having them help me

i feel its wrong to just abuse their good will for my own needs

does that make sense was great thought though

same as making friends so i can get help

it doesn't work like that for me

i want someone to help me because they want to nothing expected from it or no need to stay in contact even

i really do work better as a individual unit within my own world , so the thought of someone wanting to befriend me is quiet frighting actually as im not really the befriending type im rather selfish and cold i guess im just not very emotional either so find it hard to synthesize with people when they need to whine/vent however my world does tend to fall when nothings structured and although im actually having a sook now i dont expect sympathy just ideas that may work

if i do decide to just give it in then this will be my decision based on whats best for my health mentally as im quiet a cranky person when things are so basic to fix yet i just cant to it it really does get my goat

and ive waited so long im like it needs to be done yesterday mode my patience is done i want my golden goose and i want it now

and if i cant have it then to *** with it all as its so simple and just so so annoying to know i cant just do what i know needs to be done myself

frustration is an evil but im afraid its got me this time

 

I reckon from memory it would be the side closest to the fence. tip a bucket of water out and see which way the water runs.

 

What you really need to do is check where the water is getting in. It will be the wettest spot. isn't it the back wall toward the fence? where does it first come in?

 

And I think silicon is toxic.

 

Good idea Taz. I would do it myself if I wasn't three hours away.

no its the front that back issue is just a blocked gutter i got a kitchen stool today and jabbed it into the ground to hold it and hoped on and fixed that bit

and cut the tree off the area that was getting blocked

its the pop out side the front that gets wet dan

and yes i believe you would help me if you had time but you are still helping from their so thanks mate

 

also the water is seeping up in between the paves not so much them being damp and the birds get they beaks in and pick the sour wet seed out thats how they get sick the leaking window ive been dealing with with saw shavings its expensive but works i just have to clean it out everyday make sure its dry on the bottom its hard to explain with out showing maybe ill get some pics tomorrow and explain exactly

im just so riveted right now i guess im not making much sense

I don't mean for free GB, but there might be some group that helps when you disabilities but you still pay but not a fortune. They come and do the job and then just go away.

I know here in Nathalia there is such a place through the council that has handy men working for them to help fix things around the house and mow lawns for elderly and people with disabilities with healthcare cards.

It's not a hand out because you still pay but much cheaper than hire a hubby.

 

Why I asked where the silicone needs to go was because I siliconed my old aviary but then put very thin alluminum over it, screwed it to the wood or steel so the birds couldn't get to it. It is that angle stuff they use on corners of plaster walls in house.

Edited October 4, 201113 yr by **KAZ**

but ive been waiting on broken promises for two years now

so many people have said ill be their ill help you get it done but no one ever shows

the only few people that have helped really did put themselves out for me and cut into their own time and i do appreciate that they helped me get it to this stage as it would be way worse if they hadn't however i can not ask these people again as it would be wrong knowing they sacrifice their own family time for me

 

I don't mean for free GB, but there might be some group that helps when you disabilities but you still pay but not a fortune. They come and do the job and then just go away.

I know here in Nathalia there is such a place through the council that has handy men working for them to help fix things around the house and mow lawns for elderly and people with disabilities with healthcare cards.

It's not a hand out because you still pay but much cheaper than higher a hubby.

 

Why I asked where the silicone needs to go was because I siliconed my old aviary but then put very thin alluminum over it, screwed it to the wood or steel so the birds couldn't get to it. It is that angle stuff they use on corners of plaster walls in house.

thats an idea splat im thinking its just the top of the window thats leaking along the join of the pop out flight to the shed

and as for the council they only do lawns and stuff ive had them around a few times

i will look into seeing what is on offer

ive asked my mental person but she just is mental herself and no help her answers im her to help you re join society not fix your bird shed so you have no reason to ever leave home ..lol shes just silly society and me just dont fit

she does my head in to

That aluminum corner stuff is very thin and easy to screw through, hardware stores sell it and Bunnings.

At Bunnings it is $3.10 for I think it is 2400 in length. I use self drill steel screws. I will take photos of the aluminum corner stuff and the screws tomorrow. The screws screw into the steel sheeting easy too..

I have been using the aluminum on nearly every corner and crook and cranny trying to mouse proof aviary. I am even using it of the roof at the back.

That aluminum corner stuff is very thin and easy to screw through, hardware stores sell it and Bunnings.

At Bunnings it is $3.10 for I think it is 2400 in length. I use self drill steel screws. I will take photos of the aluminum corner stuff and the screws tomorrow. The screws screw into the steel sheeting easy too..

I have been using the aluminum on nearly every corner and crook and cranny trying to mouse proof aviary. I am even using it of the roof at the back.

do you think i could use it to stop the little buggers getting their beaks under the wall cavitys where the bricks join the walls wall join the bricks you know

Should be able to, do you mean on the floor where the wall meets the floor. You can screw to wall but I don't know about screwing to bricks, might be able to glue to bricks with liquid nails as long as none is available to the birds.

Should be able to, do you mean on the floor where the wall meets the floor. You can screw to wall but I don't know about screwing to bricks, might be able to glue to bricks with liquid nails as long as none is available to the birds.

yes i do mean that

 

i started making the foundation to put my other aviary today its not very level but its measured up roughly and i think if i move it over their then i can just get birds flying

so im going to get my aviary up even if it kills me

ive never been one to be defeated **** if i can come out of a fight with a freight train with barely an issue worth whinging about im sure i can get this annoying s ...t thing beaten

How big is the new one Gb

 

Oh that aluminum angle corner stuff, well I used that in my new bird room, I used it in corner to hide that the walls didn't really meet probably and I used it on the walls on the bottom like you are talking about. but instead of having it sit out I had it sitting into the wall so that means that one side of it was on the outside that I screwed to to wall and the other angle went under the wall, so i didn't needn't need to screw it ir glue it to the floor. I used it to make the wall longer because it was cut a little short. Do you know what I mean.

How big is the new one Gb

 

Oh that aluminum angle corner stuff, well I used that in my new bird room, I used it in corner to hide that the walls didn't really meet probably and I used it on the walls on the bottom like you are talking about. but instead of having it sit out I had it sitting into the wall so that means that one side of it was on the outside that I screwed to to wall and the other angle went under the wall, so i didn't needn't need to screw it ir glue it to the floor. I used it to make the wall longer because it was cut a little short. Do you know what I mean.

 

the new one i have is 3 mters long by 2 n half deep i think high i dont know but i dont need to bend im guessing around 2 n half meters tall maybe not maybe all i know is its got a safety door and then the flight its good size why im having problems putting it up

ill show u a picture ill just up load of the spot i cleared its prety bad lol but i did my best

I think you will need help, sorry, will your son help you.

My shed is 3 x 3 and Greg and I thought we could do it on our own but it really needed 3 people 2 to hold the walls and one to screw in the screws. It was really quite hard.

I think you will need help, sorry, will your son help you.

My shed is 3 x 3 and Greg and I thought we could do it on our own but it really needed 3 people 2 to hold the walls and one to screw in the screws. It was really quite hard.

i know i will need help but.... i did it once before as i got sick of waiting how ever its not stable or bird proof due to un level its standing now with the cocky in it but hes huge and cant crawl out the gaps its left under walls

 

im actually quiet determine if need be however i do remember being in bed for two god days after i did it not looking forward to that part off the deal but i am going to get these birds flying if it near kills me

splat

here is spot i cleared i cut the trees away and kind of semi leveled it '

 

 

 

 

 

 

im very sore maybe why im so grumpy

 

it sort of looks too small mmmmm im very bad at measuring things i hope i got it right

Edited October 4, 201113 yr by GenericBlue

It's a lovely spot for an aviary but won't the mice run up the plants onto your roof, only saying that because that is what is happening here and I was told by several people last week that the mice are on there way back in droves. I guess they mean they are breeding up and are going to hit us hard again.