This is the baby I kept for next years breeding She was born January 2,2011

 

What I do know - she's Opaline, She's Yellow face type 2, She's Grey wing, She's Blue series she's some sort of pied OR a combination of 2 pieds

 

Her dad is Violet Grey Opaline Clear Flight pied Grey wing

her mom is Yellow Face Sky Blue Dominant Pied Split Grey wing and has a chance of being Split to Recessive pied

 

What she can not be is any form of Spangle or Double Factor Dominant pied

 

The Grandparents

 

Mom's Parents

Dad is Violet Cobalt Dominant Pied Split Grey wing and Recessive pied

Mom is Yellow face Violet - no splits known (she was with several different boys and Only had Normals unless the dad was pied)

 

Dad's parents

 

Dad: Violet cobalt Opaline Clear flight pied split Greywing

Mom: Yellow face 2 Cobalt Violet Opaline Clear flight pied split Grey wing

 

I only bred his parents together Once, I did breed his mom with one other male but he was also a Violet Cobalt Opalien Clear Flight pied Only he was also split to Ino

 

this baby was from this pairs 2nd clutch

1st clutch was a Yellow face Violet Opaline Clear flight pied Female and a Yellow face Violet Dominant Pied Male

2nd clutch was Violet Grey wing Male , Violet Opaline female and then the MYSTERY BABY

 

here are her baby pics

 

 

 

 

 

then pics from today

 

 

 

belly shot - she has absolutely NO body color what so ever not on her underside or top side

 

 

the reason I think she's a combo pied is she has the notorious Orange Beak of a Recessive pied,along with the fleshy pink feet and legs PLUS how the Spots of grey on her wings are marked like a recessive pied

 

 

So any one wanna tell me what she is other than a yellow face type 2 Opaline Grey wing? LOL I don't even know what color to call her since she has no color

Do you have photo of the parents?

Yes I do

The dad's aren't the best he doesn't hold still very well

 

Mom and Dad

 

 

the dad I used paper over my flash to not wash him out in this one though

 

 

If you need pics of the grandparents I can get those dug out too when I get home from the bird fair On my way out the door now though.

This is a continuous from this post http://forums.budgie...showtopic=30554

 

but no one can figure out what my girl is

 

she's 3 months old now, and I figured I'll try again to get her proper mutation (its driving me batty - I'm a stickler when it comes to my records I want them to be correct!)

 

but I figure my worse case scenerio is just wait until she's old enough to breed, and 1st Breed her with a Normal Non Pied NON grey wing(and non split) and defiantly non Opaline or split Male then after I get those babies and see what they are Either let her go a second round with the Normal Male to see if i get anything different it happens a lot here at my house it happened with her parents the clutch before her was nothing like her clutch LOL , Or split them up and put her with a Recessive pied who is not carrying the Opaline, or Grey wing gene at all If I'd let her go a 2nd round with a Normal then after her long rest she'd be put with the "normal" recessive pied IF I still can't figure out what she is then , Then I'll just give up trying and Just call her my very pretty Budgie

 

So far the one good thing is as she is growing up her colors and markings are becoming more prominent so who knows maybe in a few more months I'll be able to tell more I mean she started out basically an all white baby bird with a yellow face and absolutely no markings LOL

 

I've had people suggest she's a Dark Eyed clear with "bleed through" - Yea I guess that is possible - but really how often does bleed through happen? In my entire flock budgies I only have 1 bird with bleed through and she's a Yellow face albino with distinct Grey markings I have a possible Albino with brown bleed through but i'm starting to think I was seeing things with him because I do not see the brown markings All the time Like I do with the Yellow face albino it's just only if the light hits him just right

 

I've also been told dilute - but she doesn't match the "text book" Description of that and neither did her siblings

 

But Back to Kaylee the baby "mystery" in question

 

the link above has pictures of her as she was growing , also her parents

 

and here is a picture I took of her just the other day I cropped it and Enlarged it and did nothing else - she is not easy to take pics of even though she was hand fed and tame after a couple weeks in the community cage she became a "wild" Child but she is still very interested in what i'm doing and always gets too close to the camera right before i click the button causing nothing but a big white blob

 

I took this picture on 4-25-11 I cropped it and enlarged it to 2640X1980 - The bits of color (looks violet to me) around her neck and the greenish color on her rump you can NOT see in person it's only showing up in her pictures and it doesn't always show up, The yellow you always see her face is much darker yellow than yellow all over her body , Also the Grey markings are always noticeable too (now that she finally got them that is lol)

 

her beak is orange (in my house I've come to a conclusion not sure if its correct but the only birds in my house with orange beaks are my 2 recessive pied - which between the orange beak and the grey Splotches are her back she has me thinking she is recessive pied- her mom has a chance of being split for it)

 

http://i640.photobuc...leebackview.jpg

 

 

Her dad (pics are in the 1st link i posted at the start of this thread) Is a grey violet Grey wing Opaline clear flight pied

here mom(pics are on the 1st link i posted) is a Yellow face Sky blue Dominant Pied Split Grey wing possibly split Recessive pied

 

Grandparents

 

Mom's side:

Dad is a Double Factor Yellow Face Violet Cobalt Dominant Pied Split Grey wing & Recessive pied

 

in this picture he is on top of the Triangle toy

http://i640.photobuc...dCasper4211.jpg

 

Mom: Yellow Face violet - no known splits (never got any surprises from her)

Not the best picture but she's on the right - I can't take any more pictures as she died at the 1st of the year

http://i640.photobuc...innie262010.jpg

 

Dads Side:

Dad: Violet Cobalt Opaline Clear Flight pied Split Grey wing

http://i2.photobucke...ictures/051.jpg

Mom: Yellow face Violet sky blue(I think) Clear Flight Pied Split Grey wing

http://i2.photobucke...leeandEmmet.jpg

another picture of her

http://i2.photobucke...aken22809-1.jpg

 

Gabriel s sister, Same parents Different Clutch

 

Yellow Face Violet Blue(not sure which blue)Opaline Clear Flight pied

http://i640.photobuc...Kiraraagain.jpg

 

Mystics sister - Same dad different mom the siblings mom is an Albino Masking Opaline,Dominant pied , grey wing and Recessive pied (or split to the last two I don't know for sure)

 

Double Factor Dominant pied Recessive pied(both visually) Sky blue split to grey wing (I ask no one tell me she can't be both recessive and dominant pied visually because she can and is thank you)

http://i640.photobuc...eding/Topaz.jpg

 

 

so with all that info and pictures

 

what in the world is baby Kaylee????

Edited April 27, 201114 yr by K&M Breeding

Well K&M we can all only just make educated guesses based on what you've told us and what her parents are.

 

Looking at her and her parents to me she is a heavily pied Opaline, Dom Pied, YF2, greywing. She might well be a combo pied but you would need both parents to carry a rec pied gene and although we know she could well have it from one side, her dad's side doesn't show anything (but obviously doesn't mean it's not being carried through). Orange beaks just tend to mean lack of pigment and can also occur in dom pieds if beak is "pied out" same as you can see it on ceres. To me she is not pied enough to be a combo but the grey, greywing AND opaline are all compounding to make her body colour very light which might be confusing the issue.

 

The best way to determine for sure if she is a combo pied is to breed her to a known recessive pied. Then if she is a combo, you should see some rec pieds or combo babies. If not then all you will get are normals and dom pieds.

 

Otherwise mate we are all just guessing as much as you!

Well K&M we can all only just make educated guesses based on what you've told us and what her parents are.

 

Looking at her and her parents to me she is a heavily pied Opaline, Dom Pied, YF2, greywing. She might well be a combo pied but you would need both parents to carry a rec pied gene and although we know she could well have it from one side, her dad's side doesn't show anything (but obviously doesn't mean it's not being carried through). Orange beaks just tend to mean lack of pigment and can also occur in dom pieds if beak is "pied out" same as you can see it on ceres. To me she is not pied enough to be a combo but the grey, greywing AND opaline are all compounding to make her body colour very light which might be confusing the issue.

 

The best way to determine for sure if she is a combo pied is to breed her to a known recessive pied. Then if she is a combo, you should see some rec pieds or combo babies. If not then all you will get are normals and dom pieds.

 

Otherwise mate we are all just guessing as much as you!

 

Nubbly, do you think she is pale enough to be a dilute? (I ask, because lately I've been trying to figure out how to identify dilutes.)

Hi Finnie

 

It's always possible with greywing as just one gene of dilute needed with 1 gene of greywing and you have a visual dilute BUT where she IS marked she is quite dark in comparison to dilutes that I've seen AND there is a very big history of greywing in the stud. We know the Dad is greywing and apparently the mum is split for greywing. Points to greywing for me. The addition of opaline will lighten the greywing a bit and the pied certainly doesn't help matters with id-ing but if i was asked to bet I'd be going with the greywing both looking at the bird and her history.

Hi Finnie

 

It's always possible with greywing as just one gene of dilute needed with 1 gene of greywing and you have a visual dilute BUT where she IS marked she is quite dark in comparison to dilutes that I've seen AND there is a very big history of greywing in the stud. We know the Dad is greywing and apparently the mum is split for greywing. Points to greywing for me. The addition of opaline will lighten the greywing a bit and the pied certainly doesn't help matters with id-ing but if i was asked to bet I'd be going with the greywing both looking at the bird and her history.

 

 

Thanks, Nubbly. I see what you are saying, except for the "just one gene of dilute needed with 1 gene of greywing" part. I thought dilute was at the bottom of the order of dominance, and you wouldn't get a visual dilute unless you had two dilute genes.

Well K&M we can all only just make educated guesses based on what you've told us and what her parents are.

 

Looking at her and her parents to me she is a heavily pied Opaline, Dom Pied, YF2, greywing. She might well be a combo pied but you would need both parents to carry a rec pied gene and although we know she could well have it from one side, her dad's side doesn't show anything (but obviously doesn't mean it's not being carried through). Orange beaks just tend to mean lack of pigment and can also occur in dom pieds if beak is "pied out" same as you can see it on ceres. To me she is not pied enough to be a combo but the grey, greywing AND opaline are all compounding to make her body colour very light which might be confusing the issue.

 

The best way to determine for sure if she is a combo pied is to breed her to a known recessive pied. Then if she is a combo, you should see some rec pieds or combo babies. If not then all you will get are normals and dom pieds.

 

Otherwise mate we are all just guessing as much as you!

 

 

Thanks that is what I thought she was but I've been told a few other mutations that people thought she was, but she doesn't match those at all or it wasn't even possbile to be what they thought she was (one being Double factor Spangle (can't get that when there were no spangles to start with lol) also people thought she was a Albino - Again no albino and no red eyes So she can't be that lol)

 

now I'm wishing I would of kept her dad's parent and bred them a couple more times maybe I would of gotten different mutations than what I did get and it wouldn't be such a mystery lol

 

but you can't change the past

 

I do have a extra Recessive pied male so I'll try her with him first, When she's old enough of course

 

all i know is the pictures do her no justice She's a beauty in person and can't wait to see if she's going to Change any come her 6 month old molt (darken up any or stay the same lol)

Edited May 2, 201114 yr by K&M Breeding