I have set up 18 pairs. I have moved the breeding room around a bit and will be setting up two more cages to round off with 20 breeding cages. Will add them when I have then sorted.

So far all but one pair have been in the nest boxes so looking like a good start.

 

So here are my pairings and why they are so. Enjoy and comment or ask questions.

 

Pair 1: Danish Pied Dk Green/Cinn x Cinn Grey(sf) Green/Danish, Blue

 

This is a father daughter pairing as I only have one visual Danish and although the gene pool will be close to start with it will be expanded upon later. Don't know if the cock is split for blue as last year he was paired to a double factored Grey Green.

 

Pair 2: Opaline Sky x Opaline Cinnamon Lt Green

 

Cock is the best Opaline in the place and although the hen has a short feather visually she was the only one to come from a place of good breeding practices (G&G) and so the only choice as a mate to increase my Opaline line.

 

Pair 3: Lt Green/Blue x Lt Green

 

Specifically to produce 100% Lt Green and if the hen is split Blue then Skys as well. This hen has failed to breed at two other attempts. This cock is more forward and may compel her to bred. Time will tell.

 

Pair 4: Dilute Dk Green x Cinnamon Grey(sf) Green/Dilute

 

The hen is a G&G bred bird and paired to a Flannagan cock last year produced a Dilute. Quite a surprise as it was a chance she could be. The cock is from a hen bred in South Aust and was used last year to a Clearwing Olive to upgrade and produce 100% Dk factor birds.

 

Pair 5: Cinnamon Dk Green/Dilute x Grey(sf) Green/Dilute

 

Both these birds share a common ancestor on the dam line. The sire line are unrelated. These birds are part of the Black Eye Self line but I do not refer to them as such. This pairing will produce Cinnamon hens some of which will be Dilute and some may carry the grey factor. All cocks produced will be Split for Cinnamon. Any visually normal birds may or may not be split for Dilute. I am looking to hopefully produce a few good BE hens from this pairing, all normals will be culled.

 

Pair 6: Cinnamon Dk Green/Danish, Blue x Grey(sf) Green/Danish, Blue

 

Brother sister pairing. This pair are the siblings of the hen and progeny of the cock in pair 1. Again close pairing but at this stage it is no problem. The dam of these two was a bird who produced better than herself. I am hoping these two have more of their mothers genetic makeup than the father.

 

Pair 7 & 8: Both Clearwings that look Olive and paired to Cinnamon Light Green hens.

 

These two cocks could be Dusk Dk Greens and one may even be a Violet Dk Green. In order to prove the Dusk theory they need to be paired to a no dark factor bird. I also need to start my line of Cinnamon Clearwings which I use in my BES breeding.

 

Pair 9: Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green x Cinnamon Grey(sf) Green/Dilute

 

These have a comman ancestor on the sire line. The cock is of good colour with only a small amount of suffusion. The hen although is Grey Green has a good depth of psittacine which is needed in BES.

 

Pair 10: Goldenface(sf) Cobalt x Sky Blue

 

Grand-father grand-daughter pairing on the sire line. Basically I have few options at present for my GF line as I lack qty in Blue series birds. The hen is smaller than I would have liked but hoping that the genes she carries have come down more from the sire line.

 

Pair 11: Goldenface(sf) Coablt x Opaline Sky

 

This cock produced a lovely Grey Hen paired to the mother of the Danish splits but was too young to use yet. This Opaline hen is a daughter of the cock from pair 2 out of a loaned hen with great feather and was the second best daughter produced. So hopeing here that the hen has some good genetics to add and hope I get a few GF's to go on with from this pairing.

 

Pair 12: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green/Dilute

 

Grand-father grand-daughter pairing. This cock is 2004 bred and did not fill an egg last year. I was set to retire him but he was showing such interest this year I have given him a shot. He is by far the best BES in the place and I have paired him to his grand-daughter in the hope that the genetics behind the cock bird are strong enough and in enough quantity within the hen that I can get a couple of good BES on the perch. Cross your fingers folks.

 

Pair 13: Spangle Cinnamon Grey Green x Spangle Opaline Grey Green

 

Cock is a smashing G&G bred bird and the hen is from over east. Hoping they click and maybe get a few spangle df's.

 

Pair 14: Sky/Dilute x Dilute Lt Green/Blue

 

Ther hen last year was used to upgrade the Clearwing line and I subsequently found out she was split for blue. As I am rather fond of blue series Dilutes I am using this pairing to produce Sky Dilutes. Hoping the Flannagan cock bird produces better tham himself.

 

Pair 15: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green

 

Brother Sister pairing of the best coloured birds in the BES line. This is a bit experimental this pairing.

 

Pair 16: Lt Green/Clearwing, Blue x Clearwing Dk Green

 

Last I bred some really good Clearwing splits so time to use this year with visuals to try and upgrade size. The hen was from a really clean albeit smaller pair of clearwings and of the three rounds produced she was the biggest but not the cleanest nor were her wings good shape so I have paired her to this cock with neat wings.

 

Pair 17: Clearwing Violet(sf) Cobalt x Dk Green/Clearwing, Blue T2

 

Cock bird is rather clean, hen is not. Cock has neater wings, hen does not. As the hen is a split Blue Type 2 I have a 21% chance to produce Mauve and 3% chance for Olive.

 

Pair 18: Cinnamon Sky Blue x Cinnamon Grey Green

 

Not quite sure if this pairing will work in this box. It is not ideally set up in it's current location. They are the only pair that has not gone in the nest box.

Edited April 26, 201114 yr by RIPbudgies

good luck with it all rip

ill be following

Good Luck with it RIP, I too will follow closely. got any pics of your pairs. I can't wait to put my down but they are still going through their moult. I managed to get 2 pair down before they started moulting.

Good Luck with it RIP, I too will follow closely. got any pics of your pairs. I can't wait to put my down but they are still going through their moult. I managed to get 2 pair down before they started moulting.

 

No, I have not taken pics as I have not had time. I have paired these up over a week amongst trying to doing other stuff around the place. I will see how I go about getting pix. The hen in the first pairing if anybody remembers was a hen I posted about and named her Jewel. Have no idea where the thread is though.

I know what you mean about having time to take pix, I am the same, never time, and when I pair the last thing I think about is photos. lol

With your talent for pairing all you need now is cooperation from the birds. Best of luck

So okay as of 8th May 2011 I have 40 eggs.

 

Pair 18 just not gonna work due to set up and location so now that has been dropped of the list leaving 17 pairs.

 

Lost the hen from Pair 12 so replaced her with his daughter so it now reads as:

Pair 12: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green

 

Doubling up of the Grey factor is not really a good idea for Black Eye Self production but the Grey factor does change the structure of the feather which helps to reduce the yellow somewhat and also goes a fair way to reducing the cheek patch to a more white appearance as required in the standard so this pairing will be a bit experimental. Being a father, daughter pairing I am hoping that a certain amount of alleles will be common in regards to obtaining a more yellow bird. Any birds from this pairing use in the furture will need to be paired to non Grey factor birds as it will not be known which, if any, are double factor Grey.

It all sounds very promising, best of luck.

Been awhile so I better let you guys know whats going on.

 

108 eggs laid from 17 pairs giving an average of 6.35 eggs per pair. I am happy with that.

 

80 Fertile

3 Broken

11 Addled

2 Undecided

 

17 Hatched with one death (pair 9).

Pretty good fertility rating RIP

That is is pretty good, I wish i could have a season like that after having 2 **** seasons and this one is starting to look the same. But my problem is, I have been to busy trying to fish the bird room.

Fertility is great with no real problems as such at this stage. 8 of the pairs at first year hens and all have fertile eggs with a couple missing. Couple of the pairings as two first year birds together and have had no problems. I persoanlly don't believe in hens being a problem on their first time. I watch my birds for weeks before pairing as they are coming through their moult. I catch the cocks as they are bouncing around chatting up everything in sight and if they have a few pin feathers, no worries. The hens are a little more suttle in their appearance but I like to see them showing interest in the boys next door and generally they will bounce around the place but not quite like the cocks. Observation is the key.

 

Only pairs who have not filled eggs at all are the old Black Eye.....so although he was showing all the signs he just maybe not producing any more sperm. So retirement for him. The other clear nest was a Clearwing x Cinnamon so I will use her as a foster which sometimes helps the hen settle into the breeding routine and not be so keen to sit on eggs.

Just a quick update on the birds. I lost a few chicks from various clutches the night of the trespasser and then with the cops shining torches around the place.

 

Pair 1: Danish Pied Dk Green/Cinn x Cinn Grey(sf) Green/Danish, Blue

 

New hen, sat well but addled a couple of eggs. So one left of hers and a foster. Hers looks like a Danish at this time.

 

Pair 2: Opaline Sky x Opaline Cinnamon Lt Green

 

All Opalines of course but surprise the hen is split Blue as there is a Blue in the nest.

 

Pair 3: Lt Green/Blue x Lt Green

 

This is the third time I have tried this hen since purchasing her. Finally she did the right thing. One is fostered off and the two remaining are a Green and a Blue so the hen is split Blue.

 

Pair 4: Dilute Dk Green x Cinnamon Grey(sf) Green/Dilute

 

Devastation! Found the hen dead in the box tonight with no apparent cause. she had an egg on the way down and was due to lay 10/6. Transferred eggs. Still devatasted, a bit dent in the breeding program I had planned.

 

Pair 5: Cinnamon Dk Green/Dilute x Grey(sf) Green/Dilute

 

Hen laid fine but seems to move eggs around a bit, quite frustrating. Didn't seem to feed well so fostered off. Looks like I'll get one from her this time round. she has started laying again and was due to lay today but....nothing. I needed to put the dead hens eggs somewhere and this was the only place in sync. So I might have to sacrifice her eggs in favour of the dead hens.

 

Pair 6: Cinnamon Dk Green/Danish, Blue x Grey(sf) Green/Danish, Blue

 

I got a Danish, first up. Next is looking normal. Look closely and you will see the Pied markings starting to be noticable.

 

Pair 7 & 8: Both Clearwings that look Olive and paired to Cinnamon Light Green hens.

 

Pair 7.... well what a surprise!! I have either a Clearwing or a Dilute! Sort of puts a crimp in the experiment. I need full bodied colour in order to ascertain the cock true colour, having any dilution just will not do BUT I'll keep it just the same. Hopefully it is a cracker. It is the chick on the right in the picture.

 

Pair 8 fostering others since she went clear.

 

Pair 9: Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green x Cinnamon Grey(sf) Green/Dilute

 

This hen is so frustrating. The pair have so much energy. Laid nine eggs, all fertile. Seem to feed to start then it all went pair shaped. Fostered them all out as hatched and eventually the eggs also. Ended up loosing the lot.

 

Pair 10: Goldenface(sf) Cobalt x Sky Blue

 

First chick a GF....woohoo!!

 

Pair 11: Goldenface(sf) Coablt x Opaline Sky

 

Laid fine, sat fine, addled all. Nest boxes 9-12 are not very successful at all.

 

Pair 12: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green

 

He is past it I think. This is the second year I have tried him. I was sure he was peaking this time round, practically bouncing off the walls, but alas, still no bubs. He is a great foster dad though.

 

Pair 13: Spangle Cinnamon Grey Green x Spangle Opaline Grey Green

 

Only two eggs fertile both hatched but I may have lost one. Got a couple of BES freeloaders in there all around the same age and cause they are all Cinnamon I have to wait till feathering to figure out whose who except the first one....it is a Spangle.It is the chick at the bottom in the picture.

 

Pair 14: Sky/Dilute x Dilute Lt Green/Blue

 

First chick a Dilute Sky....Woohoo!! Markings will be very heavy though. Might be heavy enough I might have to enter it as a Greywing and the judges will have to penalised the poor body colour. It is the chick top right in the picture.

 

Pair 15: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green

 

A nest full of BLACK EYES.....Woohoo!!

 

Pair 16: Lt Green/Clearwing, Blue x Clearwing Dk Green

 

Three chicks to young to tell yet what they are.

 

Pair 17: Clearwing Violet(sf) Cobalt x Dk Green/Clearwing, Blue T2

 

Few problems here. Eggs are not a good shape. She addled a few, sat real late in the peice and they should be hatching now but nothing. Another nest box that is a problem.

Edited June 9, 201114 yr by RIPbudgies

I am waiting for the photos

I am waiting for the photos

 

There should be some there now. I have had to edit so many times. Kept pressing wrong buttons.

I so need new glasses. It is starting to get real bad now. Fingers are getting cold too. Can't afford heating.

Pair 15: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green

 

A nest full of BLACK EYES.....Woohoo!!

okay, so I have a question, if both parents are cinnamon, shouldn't the whole nest be born with PLUM eyes? I'm guessing that by "Black Eyes" you mean Black Eyed Self, but what color eyes are they born with?

 

(I should probably move this over to my plum eye topic, to keep from going off track in your thread, RIP.)

Looks like you are having more luck than me RIP. Cool you got a Gf.

Pair 15: Cinnamon Dilute Grey(sf) Green x Cinnamon Dilute Lt Green

 

A nest full of BLACK EYES.....Woohoo!!

okay, so I have a question, if both parents are cinnamon, shouldn't the whole nest be born with PLUM eyes? I'm guessing that by "Black Eyes" you mean Black Eyed Self, but what color eyes are they born with?

 

(I should probably move this over to my plum eye topic, to keep from going off track in your thread, RIP.)

 

Finnie they were all born with plum eyes. A Black Eyed Self Colour is a competition variety in Australia wereby we try and obtain a clear yellow or white bird, hopefully free of markings based on the Dilute mutation. Using Cinnamon although not allowed in the class as such is practiced quite widely as it is pretty much impossible to see the Cinnamon on a Dilute as the brown marking just don't show up but the effect is to help reduced body colour suffusion. The eyes darken as they age and so again there is no visual id to go on.

 

Any question on any of the results in this thread very welcomed and certainly not off topic.

 

Looks like you are having more luck than me RIP. Cool you got a Gf.

 

Things were putting along quite well till I had that person come through the place. He could of gone into the shed, I don't know. Of course the cops moving around and shining torches didn't help. But I am happy with what is happening despite that. I am always chuffed when I see a GF in the nest. Same goes for any of the rares really. Especially when I have paired splits like the Danish pair.

 

Sadto hear your not doing so well. Maybe too cold over there? Generally I don't breed in winter but my set up is not what it use to be so I have to go with the flow for now until I can set thing up the way I had them before.

 

Hope things pick up for you.

Using Cinnamon although not allowed in the class as such is practiced quite widely as it is pretty much impossible to see the Cinnamon on a Dilute as the brown marking just don't show up but the effect is to help reduced body colour suffusion. The eyes darken as they age and so again there is no visual id to go on.

 

Any question on any of the results in this thread very welcomed and certainly not off topic.

 

Thanks, RIP, that does answer my question, and also confirms what I have been figuring out, that cinnamon doesn't show up visually when it's combined with the dilution genes. (I'm assuming that goes for the greywing and clearwing, as well, or do those have differing degrees of the cinnamon not showing up?)

Using Cinnamon although not allowed in the class as such is practiced quite widely as it is pretty much impossible to see the Cinnamon on a Dilute as the brown marking just don't show up but the effect is to help reduced body colour suffusion. The eyes darken as they age and so again there is no visual id to go on.

 

Any question on any of the results in this thread very welcomed and certainly not off topic.

 

Thanks, RIP, that does answer my question, and also confirms what I have been figuring out, that cinnamon doesn't show up visually when it's combined with the dilution genes. (I'm assuming that goes for the greywing and clearwing, as well, or do those have differing degrees of the cinnamon not showing up?)

 

Cinnamon when used in the Dilute alleles will change their appearance and sometimes it is hard to pick up, even for me. I can sometimes suspect but not allways be able to prove without test mating.

 

On a Dilute as I already mentioned it will reduce the already reduced body colouring and sometimes it is hard to pick up. It will reduce depth of violet in cheek and marking will usually still be seen as a pale grey.

 

On a Clearwing it will reduce the body colour and will be similar to a normal Cinnamon in depth. the cheek will be a pale violet (careful here as some Clearwings can had pale violet cheek patches, yet not be Cinnamon). sometimes you can see a slight brownish/cinnamon cast to the tale. I have bred many Cinnamon Clearwings as I use them in my Black Eyes.

 

On a Greywing I can't really tell you much as I have never puposely set out to breed one as I find no use for this composite. I have been shown birds that were told to me as Cinnamon Greywing and yes they looked different with body colour reduced as expected and the marking taking on a brownish/cinnamon cast. cheek patches I would suspect will dilute to a paler violet maybe similar to a normal Dilute.

 

There will also be differences for example, Dilutes from Clearwing stock, they tend to lose wing markings. FBC Greywings, well I have never seen Cinnamon included here. I would suspect though that the bird would resemble a Cinnamon except the wing marking would be mainly grey with a brownish/cinnamon cast.

Things are looking good, nice one

 

 

On a Greywing I can't really tell you much as I have never puposely set out to breed one as I find no use for this composite. I have been shown birds that were told to me as Cinnamon Greywing and yes they looked different with body colour reduced as expected and the marking taking on a brownish/cinnamon cast. cheek patches I would suspect will dilute to a paler violet maybe similar to a normal Dilute.

 

 

 

Cinnamon greywings do hatch out with plum eyes if this helps Finnie

Greywings dont.

Edited June 10, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

Thank you RIP, for that explanation. I have copied and pasted it to a Word document, so I can print it out for my folder, for future reference.

 

 

Cinnamon greywings do hatch out with plum eyes if this helps Finnie

Greywings dont.

 

Thanks, Kaz. You had one in one of your greywing nests a while back, and I remember trying to follow it as it grew up. And I got one in a clutch last fall, and if I hadn't seen the plum eyes for myself when it was born, I would have just thought it was a regular greywing.

 

Now I will take RIP's information and use it to evaluate her, and also my Mystery chicks.

 

 

So RIP, how many leg rings are you up to now?