MY pair of budgies are breeding, mum is a lutino, dad is light green spangle, grandparents opanline green hen X normal grey male.

 

these are three babies, they laid 7 eggs, six hatched but unfortantley last 3 died, they first threewere so much bigger, i dont think the little guys could get the mum's attention, as it is the parents first time

 

BABY one- can anyone tell me where the white/abino has come from lol

 

 

BABY two- lutino or not

 

BABY three- grey like pop??

 

any help on colours or anything,

 

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

I can't help with the colours.

 

But oh my goat the second one is so beautiful! With the yellow feathers and that, I just want to pick him up and snug him!

 

Sorry to hear about the loss of your other babies, I hope that these ones survive and grow up to be strong.

MY pair of budgies are breeding, mum is a lutino, dad is light green spangle, grandparents opanline green hen X normal grey male.

 

these are three babies, they laid 7 eggs, six hatched but unfortantley last 3 died, they first threewere so much bigger, i dont think the little guys could get the mum's attention, as it is the parents first time

 

BABY one- can anyone tell me where the white/abino has come from lol

 

 

BABY two- lutino or not

 

 

 

Neither of these two look to have red eyes. Do they or not ?

 

Photo of the parents please ?

Yes the yellow baby is beautiful, Im having a hard time seeing if they have red eyes or not, one second i think they are then not. I'll try to get some pictures of mum nd dad, but mum has red eyes. Do you where the white has come from as i was suprised to get a white baby.

Im having a hard time seeing if they have red eyes or not, one second i think they are then not. I'll try to get some pictures of mum nd dad, but mum has red eyes. Do you where the white has come from as i was suprised to get a white baby.

 

I believe to get a lutino from the parents Dad has to be split lutino. To get an albino from both parents they both have to be split blue AND Dad has to be split ino as well.

If the chicks dont have red eyes that means they arent inos at all.

Mum, being lutino can be masking spangle in which case if the chicks have black eyes they are DF spangles.

You need to check the eyes...........tomorrow in better light conditions.

Have you a photo of the back of the grey chick showing its tail pin feathers as well as wing feathers ?

 

 

PS an all white budgie is only an albino if it has red eyes.

 

An all yellow budgies is only a lutino if it has red eyes.

Edited April 18, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

Yes both birds are split blue and possibly lutino as well they are acutally brother and sister, i tried to seperate but they refuse to pair up with anyone else, i havent got a picture of the grey ones tail, will try when i get them out tommorrow,

Yes both birds are split blue and possibly lutino as well they are acutally brother and sister, i tried to seperate but they refuse to pair up with anyone else

 

 

You tried to seperate but yet you breed cabinet breeding ?

 

In that case you deliberately paired them together and you really shouldnt have.

Yes i Know, will be seperating them after this clutch, but they were placed back in my aviary after seperating them, and then began breeding in one of my parrots nests. i then chose to take them out and into a cabinet. Is this really that wrong.

Yes both birds are split blue and possibly lutino as well they are acutally brother and sister, i tried to seperate but they refuse to pair up with anyone else, i havent got a picture of the grey ones tail, will try when i get them out tommorrow,

 

 

Ah, that explains why you only have one set of grandparents listed!

 

Well, you have left off whether one or both of the grandparents are spangles. At least one of them must be, and if they both are, then your "lutino" hen may very well be a double factor spangle hen, instead. What color are her eyes?

 

 

And I agree with Kaz. People think that budgies "bond" with their mate and can't be separated, but it just isn't true. They would learn to "make friends" with different birds if you split them up.

 

More than likely these chicks will be fine, but just in case there are any underlying genetic issues, when it is their turn to breed, I would make sure their mates are unrelated.

 

Having them in an aviary that contains nests of any kind will basically force them to breed. Are they even old enough?

 

Good luck with it all.

Yes both birds are split blue and possibly lutino as well they are acutally brother and sister, i tried to seperate but they refuse to pair up with anyone else, i havent got a picture of the grey ones tail, will try when i get them out tommorrow,

 

 

Ah, that explains why you only have one set of grandparents listed!

 

Well, you have left off whether one or both of the grandparents are spangles. At least one of them must be, and if they both are, then your "lutino" hen may very well be a double factor spangle hen, instead. What color are her eyes?

 

 

And I agree with Kaz. People think that budgies "bond" with their mate and can't be separated, but it just isn't true. They would learn to "make friends" with different birds if you split them up.

 

More than likely these chicks will be fine, but just in case there are any underlying genetic issues, when it is their turn to breed, I would make sure their mates are unrelated.

 

Having them in an aviary that contains nests of any kind will basically force them to breed. Are they even old enough?

 

Good luck with it all.

 

 

The female is a true red eyed lutino, the male is light green spangle, Im am sorry that i did let them breed but i felt so sorry for them when i seperated them and didnt seem happy at all, they are both over 12 month, I will definatly make sure there babies are not inbred again,

 

The grandparents were bought but here is a picture of the grandfather and this pairs siblings, to see if this will help.

 

ON LEFT IS ONE BUB FROM FIRST CLUTCH AND THE GRAND DADDY ON RIGHT

 

 

Baby is a spangle, i think the grandmother was part spangle as well, most of their babies came out spangles, and two lutinos

 

 

hope this helps

Edited April 18, 201114 yr by BirdLOVER<3

A bird cannot be part spangle. It is a dominant gene. The bird is either spangle or not.

 

What breeding boxes are in the aviary? What parrots do you have in there with your budgies? What parrot nest boxes?

 

This is all my opinion this next sentence, but the more you say, the more concerned I am.

Im am sorry that i did let them breed but i felt so sorry for them when i seperated them

Dont feel sorry for them. You force bred brother and sister. Its up to us, as responsible breeders to ensure we pair birds correctly and not brothers and sisters.

 

 

As Dave said spangle is a dominant gene and as such a bird either is a spangle or it isnt. At least one parent has to be a spangle to get spangle babies in a clutch.

 

and to get a lutino out of that clutch Dad ( the grey one ) has to be split lutino. The lutino hen that came from that pairing would also be masking spangle......if the mother was spangle which it seems she was.

I think your yellow and white chicks are double factor spangles as their eyes dont look red in those photos.

 

At the time the grandparent bred were you colony breeding in the aviary ? and were there other possible parents ?

Edited April 19, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

Yes they were colony bred, they had 3 successful clutches together most turning out to be spangle. Maybe the grey cock was spilt lutino as the first to clutches produced about 2/3 were spangles and one lutino/ and one harquin.The grandmother last clutch she had was with another male, but im sure the first two were with this male.

 

I will try to get more pictures of the babies eyes, but being df spangle would make sense. As both parents must be split spangle.

 

And the parrot nests im referring to are small parrots boxes used for my bourkes, and i also keep one pair grass parrots and a pair a cockatiels, no problems from keeping them together,

 

and yes i did make a mistake but im am only new at this. With the help of this forum i am learning what to do and not to do and i am not an expert. Im learning from my mistakes

Edited April 19, 201114 yr by BirdLOVER<3

Yes they were colony bred, they had 3 successful clutches together most turning out to be spangle.

 

If you were colony breeding there could have been any fathers to the clutches

 

Maybe the grey cock was spilt lutino as the first to clutches produced about 2/3 were spangles and one lutino/ and one harquin.

Harquin ?? do you mean recessive pied ?

 

The grandmother last clutch she had was with another male, but im sure the first two were with this male.

 

 

How about you tell us what other males were in the aviary breeding at that time ? and what colour and type was the grandmother ?

If you truly believe budgies pair and mate only with the ones you think they did........they dont in colony breeding. Well before you get out of bed they have mated and most likely with several males

 

I will try to get more pictures of the babies eyes, but being df spangle would make sense. As both parents must be split spangle.

 

As already stated you cannot have split spangle. Either a bird IS spangle or it isnt. As a dominant gene it cannot be split. Its visual. To get spangle babies a parent has to be a spangle or can be a lutino hiding spangle markings as they do. .

 

And the parrot nests im referring to are small parrots boxes used for my bourkes, and i also keep one pair grass parrots and a pair a cockatiels, no problems from keeping them together,

The problem arises by the mere presence of nestboxes which forces birds to breed.

 

and yes i did make a mistake but im am only new at this. With the help of this forum i am learning what to do and not to do and i am not an expert. Im learning from my mistakes

 

as we all do. Glad you have come here to learn and I hope you take the well meant advice

 

 

 

 

 

 

As Dave said spangle is a dominant gene and as such a bird either is a spangle or it isnt. At least one parent has to be a spangle to get spangle babies in a clutch.

 

 

Edited April 19, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

Totally disagree with Kaz on this one, I have won Diplomas with chicks bred from brother and sister matings, and I continue to mate this way occasionally, if the line is strong enough. As long as their parents were not closely related and you now outcross the young, you'll have no problem with them Cheers Clearwing.

Totally disagree with Kaz on this one, I have won Diplomas with chicks bred from brother and sister matings, and I continue to mate this way occasionally, if the line is strong enough. As long as their parents were not closely related and you now outcross the young, you'll have no problem with them Cheers Clearwing.

In general dont we show breeders have a bit more background knowledge of the birds we breed..............i.e. parents, grandparents, family history, inherant faults etc. Dont we also have a trained eye for " faults" when pairing up birds ? I dont think you can apply the same rules for birds bought from pet stores with no history of parentage. My opinion only.

i agree with kaz we show breeders know family history

these birds are posably all inbreed by sounds

i feel that alot of birds brought around same time in a pet shop are from the one breeder whom themselfs mostly breed in colany

their for being very close already with no out crossing for some time these birds should not of been breed tohgether unless as you say clearwing for a true setting of fetchers in a show quality stud

even then only if line is not to strong in my opinion

or a out cross stuffed your idea and bro sis all thats available to start again with

Totally disagree with Kaz on this one, I have won Diplomas with chicks bred from brother and sister matings, and I continue to mate this way occasionally, if the line is strong enough. As long as their parents were not closely related and you now outcross the young, you'll have no problem with them Cheers Clearwing.

 

You might be a more successful breeder than me, but genetically regardless of the species, interbreeding is not good for the animals.

Thanks heap, the other possible mates were ollive green spangle, and a skyblue spangle, i quess anything is possible, and yes the harquin is a resessive pied,the grandmother was a green opaline, i cant find any pictures, i took the babies out today, i think they are more of a dark red as it is hard to tell, but are getting so much cuter:lol:

Thanks heap, the other possible mates were ollive green spangle, and a skyblue spangle, i quess anything is possible, and yes the harquin is a resessive pied,the grandmother was a green opaline, i cant find any pictures, i took the babies out today, i think they are more of a dark red as it is hard to tell, but are getting so much cuter:lol:

If grandmother was a green opaline, then the grandfather father was NOT the grey budgie you first showed us because you cannot get a spangle out of two non spangle parents.

and yes i did make a mistake but im am only new at this. With the help of this forum i am learning what to do and not to do and i am not an expert. Im learning from my mistakes

 

as we all do. Glad you have come here to learn and I hope you take the well meant advice

 

 

 

I agree, here. I hope you don't feel like we are picking you apart. We are sifting through all your information, so we can help you. A lot of times it is like detective work.

this is the biggest reason I don't and won't ever colony breed you never know who the parents are *and i am very strict on my bird records I like to know who the parents are what their exact mutations are and what the babies are *

 

a Female bird can have babies in 1 clutch from 2 different males and just because two birds are "bonded" doesn't mean they're the parents of the birds in their "nest" - birds steal nests a female can lay an egg in every nest if she wants to Occupied or not So then the "breeder" would think the egg was from the pair using it the most when it wasn't

 

plus its just dangerous females will destroy other nests and fights start and then the obvious inbreeding

 

there is a huge difference (to me any way) between Inbreeding a Line breeding

 

to me Inbreeding is allowing a brother and sister to breed, or a mother and son or a father and son

Line breeding is a aunt to a nephew , a uncle to a niece , a Great Grandpa to a Great Grand daughter and so forth - with breeding further Down the line being the best( example: great , great great, Great Great great etc grandparents, aunts, uncles etc)

 

but that is just my opinion on it and something I would never even consider doing

 

Yes some Budgies do bond for life, but Even they can be paired to different mates

 

I have 1 pair that are bonded But I know if I separate them put them in a cage of their own (I have my non breeding birds in a community cage but They have NOTHING what so ever to make a nest out of and they don't breed in the community cage) they will eventually breed together, may take longer than a pair that were already bonded, But even that pair took a while to bond It doesn't happen over night

lol, yeh i quess the grandmother was playing up a bit, it was most likely that olvie green spangle. I got more pictures of mummy and daddy and bubs in nest. And MY free ranging non-breeding budgies as advised by Kaz ,

il upload in a second. As for the petshop thing, I did buy them from a number of sources, but when this season babies are able to breed next year ill breed them as you say, you then know all about the history and other things.

 

PICTURES OF parents and bubs.

 

 

 

Pictures of the others

Edited April 20, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

its good you can laugh at it all

and take it aboard

it is better to separate breed less issues and history is definitely

your white baby has black eyes and is a white double factor spangle.