hello everyone,

i have been studing up the while about how to breed budgies

i need someone to tell me the following is true

sky blue-violet=mauve

mauve-cobalt=cobalt

now for question time

how do you breed:

normal violets?

normal skyblue?

how do you breed opaline's and spangled and cinnamons?

and how do you breed dilutions and yellowfaces?

thanks

ralph

here is the expectations for violet for you

but from my personal experiance the quickest way to a violet budgie is.......... breeding a sky violet budgie with a cobalt

 

The Violet breeding tables

Expectation

 

Violet (sf) Skyblue(sky violet) x Mauve

 

50% Violet (sf)(visual violet)

50% Cobalt

 

 

Violet (df) Skyblue x Mauve

100% Violet (sf) Cobalt

 

Violet (sf) Skyblue (sky violet) x Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt(visual violet)

25% Violet (sf) Skyblue

25% Cobalt

25% Skyblue

 

Violet (df) Skyblue x Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Skyblue

 

Violet (sf) Skyblue x Skyblue

50% Violet (sf)Skyblue

50% Skyblue

 

Violet (df) Cobalt) x Skyblue

100% Violet (sf) Skyblue

 

Violet (sf) Cobalt x Skyblue

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Skyblue

25% Cobalt

25% Skyblue

 

Violet (df) Cobalt x Skyblue

50% Violet (sf) Coablt

50% Violet (sf) Skyblue

 

 

 

 

Violet (sf) Cobalt x Cobalt

12.5% Violet (sf) Skyblue

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt

12.5% Violet (sf) Mauve

12.5% Skyblue

12.5% Mauve

 

 

Violet (df) Cobalt x Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Skyblue

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Mauve

 

 

Violet (sf) Mauve x Skyblue

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

50% Cobalt

 

Violet (df) Mauve x Skyblue

100% Violet (sf) Cobalt

 

 

Violet (sf) Mauve x Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Mauve

25% Mauve

25% Cobalt

 

Violet (df) Mauve x Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Cobalt

50% Violet (sf) Mauve

 

Violet (sf) Mauve x Mauve

50% Violet (sf) Mauve

50% Mauve

 

Violet (df) Mauve x Mauve

100% Violet (sf) Mauve

 

 

here is the breeding you want to go for to achieve your want

 

Violet (sf) Skyblue (sky violet) x Cobalt

25% Violet (sf) Cobalt(visual violet)

25% Violet (sf) Skyblue

25% Cobalt

25% Skyblue

 

and if you want to breed rainbows well

its a five year plan if you do it right three if you take short cuts and if you just breed cinnamon instead of diluted birds in opaline yf1 violet and spangle then you can have this pretty much first round if you choose your birds right so..............what exactly do you want to breed and ill tell you how exactly pair the quickest pairs for that rezult

Edited March 29, 201114 yr by GenericBlue

Hi Ralph, welcome to the forum.

 

 

i need someone to tell me the following is true

sky blue-violet=mauve

mauve-cobalt=cobalt

 

I'm not sure what you are asking here. Blue budgies come in 3 levels of dark factor. Sky blue is when there is NO dark factor, cobalt is when there is ONE dark factor, and mauve is when there are TWO dark factors. (The dark factor is a gene that darkens the color of the body.)

 

 

The violet factor can enhance the main color of the budgie. When it is present on a sky blue, it can make the sky blue appear cobalt. When it is present on a cobalt, it looks violet, but when it is present on a mauve, it can be hard to see any difference.

 

 

As far as how to achieve the different mutations you asked about, you basically have to start with birds who have those mutations, and breed them together. I've read on here before where someone adivised that if you are interested in getting involved with show budgies, to try to start with good quality birds of any color, and breed with those while you are learning, and then to focus on a specific color or mutation later, after you have some experience.

 

 

I hope you have fun with the hobby. They say it is addicting!

 

 

LOL, GB, you must have been posting while I was! I saw that no one had replied to Ralph in 8 hours, so I thought I would give it a try.

Edited March 29, 201114 yr by Finnie

well you posted stuff i didnt so now he should know everything he needs lol

exept that show birds are very up n down and unless he has full support of a adult to take to shows club and to help with all the cleaning and maintaining and most of all cost involved then id breed to start with show breed birds but to get use to i would not buy really good stock untill you have maintained a small flock for at least a year as im 30 something and i still havent made transition from pet to show smoothly and am glad i did not spend an arm and a leg on top quality birds as im still trying to learn to maintain them

Edited March 29, 201114 yr by GenericBlue

hello everyone,

i want to keep al the blue colours

normal sky-blue

normal cobalt

normal mauve

i don't know if i should keep the violet set yet ,but would like to start as sson as possible

when you want to breed cinnamons do you just breed a cinnamon the colour you want with the colour you want in the cinnamon vartiey?

is this how you breed spangle and opaline's?

thanks

ralph

Spangle is a dominant variety, so it is a littler easier to breed, because only one of your parent birds needs to be a spangle, and then you can get spangle babies.

 

 

 

The cinnamon and opaline are sex-linked recessive varieties, so understanding how those genes work is a little trickier, but still fairly easy to reproduce.

 

In budgies, males have two copies of the X chromosome, and females have one X and one Y. (This had me confused when I first learned about budgies, because it is opposite to the way humans and dogs and cats are.)

 

The cinnamon (or the opaline, or any other sex-linked gene) is found on the X chromosome.

 

A male budgie gets one X from his dad, and one X from his mom. The female budgie only gets one X, and it comes from her dad.

 

With only one X in the female, if she gets the cinnamon gene, it will show. If no cinnamon shows, then she didn't get a cinnamon gene, she got the normal gene.

 

Males with two Xs need to have both of them be cinnamon in order to show. If one is cinnamon and one is normal, then the bird will look normal, but it will be carrying (or split to) cinnamon. Because normal is dominant over cinnamon.

 

 

 

So, in order to get cinnamon babies, this is what you need:

 

To get a GIRL cinnamon baby, you can use any mother, but you have to use a dad who has cinnamon. If you can see the cinnamon in the dad, then ALL of his girl babies will also be cinnamon. If he is normal split to cinnamon, then he will give normal to about half of his girls, and cinnamon to the other half.

 

To get a BOY cinnamon baby, BOTH parents have to have cinnamon. The mother has to be visibly cinnamon, and the father can be visual, or he can be split to it. Again, if he is only split to it, then only about half of the chicks will be visual cinnamon.

 

 

I used cinnamon as my example, but it works the same way for opaline and any other sex-linked gene.

 

One more thing, if you only have a female cinnamon, and you want to breed her with a male that has no cinnamon, meaning he's not even split to cinnamon, then NONE of your babies will be cinnamons. But since the mother gives her X to her sons, then all of the boy babies will be normal split to cinnamon, and then in the future, THEY could produce cinnamon chicks.

 

 

I hope this answers what you wanted to know. If not, just keep asking, until we get it all straightened out for you.

Spangle is a dominant variety, so it is a littler easier to breed, because only one of your parent birds needs to be a spangle, and then you can get spangle babies.

 

 

 

The cinnamon and opaline are sex-linked recessive varieties, so understanding how those genes work is a little trickier, but still fairly easy to reproduce.

 

In budgies, males have two copies of the X chromosome, and females have one X and one Y. (This had me confused when I first learned about budgies, because it is opposite to the way humans and dogs and cats are.)

 

The cinnamon (or the opaline, or any other sex-linked gene) is found on the X chromosome.

 

A male budgie gets one X from his dad, and one X from his mom. The female budgie only gets one X, and it comes from her dad.

 

With only one X in the female, if she gets the cinnamon gene, it will show. If no cinnamon shows, then she didn't get a cinnamon gene, she got the normal gene.

 

Males with two Xs need to have both of them be cinnamon in order to show. If one is cinnamon and one is normal, then the bird will look normal, but it will be carrying (or split to) cinnamon. Because normal is dominant over cinnamon.

 

 

 

So, in order to get cinnamon babies, this is what you need:

 

To get a GIRL cinnamon baby, you can use any mother, but you have to use a dad who has cinnamon. If you can see the cinnamon in the dad, then ALL of his girl babies will also be cinnamon. If he is normal split to cinnamon, then he will give normal to about half of his girls, and cinnamon to the other half.

 

To get a BOY cinnamon baby, BOTH parents have to have cinnamon. The mother has to be visibly cinnamon, and the father can be visual, or he can be split to it. Again, if he is only split to it, then only about half of the chicks will be visual cinnamon.

 

 

I used cinnamon as my example, but it works the same way for opaline and any other sex-linked gene.

 

One more thing, if you only have a female cinnamon, and you want to breed her with a male that has no cinnamon, meaning he's not even split to cinnamon, then NONE of your babies will be cinnamons. But since the mother gives her X to her sons, then all of the boy babies will be normal split to cinnamon, and then in the future, THEY could produce cinnamon chicks.

 

 

I hope this answers what you wanted to know. If not, just keep asking, until we get it all straightened out for you.

so if you breed cinnamon to cinnamon you will get cinnamon babies of both sex and if you have a split dad with a cinnamon female you will get split females

hopefuly i have got it right is there any thing i have missed out

thanks

ralph

hello,

how do you breed rainbows budgies?

thanks

ralph

You can only produce split cocks.

Hens don't split to cinnamon.

So with a split cock to cinnamon hen you could expect.

Cinnamon cocks

Split cocks

cinnamon hens

normal hens

 

This also applies to opalines.

Hope this makes sense.

Twisted is right, hens cannot be split for any sex-linked gene.

 

Here is a link to a topic about rainbow budgies. The first half is about rainbows, and the second half goes off in a tangent about recessive pieds, which has nothing to do with rainbows.

 

Rainbow Budgie Topic

hello,

i am only new to breeding budgies

i still don't understand the dominant bit

would someone be able to help me on this

thanks

ralph

Edited April 4, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

dominant means that as long as one bird looks like the one you want to breed then you will get at least one or more of that type usually in a clutch but dont be disheartened if you dont as you will eventually

double factor means that if you have a bird that has double the main dominant factor then you will breed from it all single factor dominant features of this kind

does that make sense eg spangle and a normal could get... say 5 chicks .... two spangles and three normals

double factor spangle and a normal 5 chicks will get all spangles (single factor which means its visually got the spangle wings )

double factor spangle is exactlly like a normal spangle only imadgine its wearing a big white or yellow coat depending on the base colour

eg green or blue

hope this helps

Edited April 4, 201114 yr by GenericBlue

dominant means that as long as one bird looks like the one you want to breed then you will get at least one or more of that type usually in a clutch but dont be disheartened if you dont as you will eventually

double factor means that if you have a bird that has double the main dominant factor then you will breed from it all single factor dominant features of this kind

does that make sense eg spangle and a normal could get... say 5 chicks .... two spangles and three normals

double factor spangle and a normal 5 chicks will get all spangles (single factor which means its visually got the spangle wings )

double factor spangle is exactlly like a normal spangle only imadgine its wearing a big white or yellow coat depending on the base colour

eg green or blue

hope this helps

 

 

so what does recessive mean

sorry about all the qestions but i will get my head around it soon

thanks

ralph

Maybe this will help.

 

Think of dominant and recessive as a relationship to each other. If something is dominant, it rules over the other one. If something is recessive, it submits to the other one. (It is the one getting ruled over.)

 

So a dominant gene will take precedence over a recessive gene, and you will only see the dominant mutation.

 

That's a little bit oversimplified, but let me give you an example.

 

 

Green is dominant over blue. If a budgie has one green gene, and one blue gene, the bird will appear green. You will not be able to tell that it also has a blue gene. That is because the blue is recessive to the green. (It just gives in and lets the green have it's way.)

So a bird that has two green genes will look the same as a bird that has a green gene and a blue gene.

 

The only way to see the blue (the recessive color) will be if the bird has two blue genes, meaning there is no green gene present.

 

 

 

I'm not sure how basic to get about genetics for you, but it's important to understand that genes always come in pairs. For every trait, there is a pair of genes. (That's also oversimplified, some traits are ruled by several pairs of genes, but let's just worry about the easier ones for now.) Just know that all genes come in pairs.

 

In a pair of genes, they can either both be the same, or they can be different to each other. If they are different, that is where the dominant/recessive relationship comes in. There is also a third choice of relationship called co-dominance or incomplete dominance. That's where the dominant one doesn't completely block the recessive one, it's more like they share.

 

Spangle is an example of incomplete dominance over a normal budgie. The spangle gene takes away black. If a budgie has both copies of the normal gene, it will look normal, that is, its wing feathers will be mostly black. If a budgie has both copies of the spangle gene, the black will be completely taken away. But if a budgie has one copy of normal and one copy of spangle, then only SOME of the black will be taken away, and some of the black will still show. Both copies get to have their way a little bit, but not as much as they would if they weren't sharing.

 

There can be lots of examples. For every single mutation that exists, it will fit into either the dominant, the recessive, or the "sharing" category.

 

I hope this makes sense, and if it does, it should give you ideas for more questions. (Actually, it may lead to way more questions if it DOESN'T make sense! )

thanks for all the answers i'm starting to learn

now i now how to breed normals how can you breed cinnamon's opalines spangles dilutions yellowfaces?

thanks

ralph

thanks for all the answers i'm starting to learn

now i now how to breed normals how can you breed cinnamon's opalines spangles dilutions yellowfaces?

thanks

ralph

 

Well, pretty much, you buy birds that have those mutations, and then breed them together!

 

The cinnamon and opaline are sex-linked genes, and were explained above. Spangle was explained above. Dilute is a recessive gene, so both parents have to be dilute or split to dilute in order to get any dilute babies. And yellowface is recessive to green, but dominant to blue, so you will need at least one parent to be yellowface, and the other can be either yellowface or blue.

 

Color breeding is fascinating, but make sure you also learn about how to care for breeding birds and chicks in the nest. How to breed budgies is a lot more than just how to mix and match their colors.

hello,

i am only new to breeding budgies

i still don't understand the dominant bit

would someone be able to help me on this

thanks

ralph

Here's a link to simplified explanations of how genetics work that I wrote. They might help you understand

http://www.officialb...legenetics1.htm

http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/simplegenetics2.htm

 

 

hello everyone,

what are some important things when breeding budgies?

thanks

ralph

ps i didn't know wether to start a new topic for this