Posted March 10, 201114 yr If I were to allow a Slate male and a Lutino female, what would their offspring be? I'm of the understanding that both genes are sex-linked, so I've come to the conclusion that all females would be Slate. What would the males be? Does Lutino become dominant when paired with a Slate, or is it the opposite? Also, does anyone have pictures of how these birds would turn out? I'm curious to see! Thanks in advance for your help.
March 10, 201114 yr yes dave it is as far as i could say its a darkening factor like grey or violet try this so would deepen the yello to a mustard colour and the cocks would all be split ino and the hens would be from them able to be slate ino hens m interesting i must say be good in albino id think http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/rares/slates/slates.html
March 10, 201114 yr yes but males would be split ino as i stated and the females would be slate their for the cock chicks would be split slate... split ino and the females from these would be ino or slate as both the genes are sex-linked and one would think that being sex-linkage the Alli would be on same position their for both if not they would be / ino and slate giving ino slate hens *** im not sure i even get what im trying to say here lol
March 10, 201114 yr just because the trait is sex-linked would make them be on the same alli (not sure of spelling) so the males would be normal /slate hens would be slate Although slate is only really classed that in the blue line. But they would have the gene and it would affect their feathers
March 10, 201114 yr im sorry but i beg to differ a slate cock x a lutino hen lets pretend the cock is normal here for a minute okay result and if im wrong i think ill give up breeding albinos now while im ahead normal hens normal cocks / (split ) to lutino okay then with the cock being also sex linked lets say it worked like this grey sf x lacewing hen not split blue you would get 1.0 is cock and o.1 is hen 1.0 grey(sf) green slate x 0.1 ino cinnamon % from all 1.0 50.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /slate ino-cinnamon 50.0% 1.0 green /slate ino-cinnamon % from all 0.1 50.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green slate 50.0% 0.1 green slate so all chicks are grey green or green cocks being split slate and split lacewing hens being grey green slate and green slate oh dang lol i got lacewings on the brain sorry here is lute slate out come its easy just drop the cinnamon ino make it ino % from all 1.0 50.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /slate ino 50.0% 1.0 green /slate ino % from all 0.1 50.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green slate 50.0% 0.1 green slate Edited March 10, 201114 yr by GenericBlue
March 10, 201114 yr Author So if I'm understanding this correctly, all the female chicks would be Slate, as I previously thought. But the male chicks would be phenotypically Normal in appearance, but split genotypically for -Ino and Slate traits. But because no one is sure whether the gene for Slate and -Ino traits are on the same allele on the same chromosome, we can't be completely sure? If I do allow the two to mate, it will be interesting to see. I'm on the fence now -- mostly because I'm more concerned for my female's health than excited for the prospect of babies. I'd be devastated if something happened to her.
March 10, 201114 yr So if I'm understanding this correctly, all the female chicks would be Slate, as I previously thought. But the male chicks would be phenotypically Normal in appearance, but split genotypically for -Ino and Slate traits. But because no one is sure whether the gene for Slate and -Ino traits are on the same allele on the same chromosome, we can't be completely sure? If I do allow the two to mate, it will be interesting to see. I'm on the fence now -- mostly because I'm more concerned for my female's health than excited for the prospect of babies. I'd be devastated if something happened to her. no im 100 percent sure my calculations are correct slate hens and normal / slate /ino cocks why you concerned is their a reason why you should be whats her age her weight and do you feed them with the right diet
March 10, 201114 yr Author Oh, I'm a worrier naturally. Her age can't really be determined as she was gotten from a pet shop and they didn't know. Based on her band color, which most breeders in the US change every year, and the fact that she's molted twice, I'd venture a guess that she's around 18 months old. Her diet consists primarily of a fortified seed mix. This is not for lack of trying to convert to pellets and trick her into eating fresh foods. Her determination to not eat anything other than seed is surprisingly strong. She will take anything she doesn't like and push it through the grate of her cage and refuse to eat it. Fresh foods (kale, sprouts, mango, papaya, red bell peppers, jalapeno peppers, raisins, spinach to name a few) are available twice a day. Dried fruit and vegetables are available both in their seed mix and as foraging treats, again which they refuse to eat. Pellets are available as well, but those are completely ignored. Fresh water is available all day, ever day. It's changed on average twice a day. Most days, I will change it three times a day. A cuttlebone is available in the cage. I'm just worried about egg binding and not being able to get her to an avian vet in time. On average (I use public transportation), it would take me about an hour to get to the nearest one.
March 10, 201114 yr Not sure if this will help Slate Slate is a color-adding factor similar to grey and violet. Slate produces a very dark bluish grey in white-based budgies. The darkness of the slate varies slightly according to the dark factor of the bird. Slate, like violet, can be present in a green (yellow-based) budgie, but only produces a darkening effect. True slate only appears on blue (white-based) budgies. This variety is extremely rare. Basic Genetics: Sex-linked (on the x-chromosome) http://www.budgeriga...tes/slates.html the article has a section where it shows breeding outcomes got the information from www.budgieplace.com oh and one last thing I used the Genetic calculator 1.3- Assuming neither bird is split to anything and assuming your Lutino isn't split to blue this would be the outcome Males 100.0% 1.0 green /blue slate ino Females 100.0% 0.1 green slate /blue Edited March 10, 201114 yr by K&M Breeding
March 11, 201114 yr i really dont think people read other peoples posts properly around this place i wonder why i bother at times
March 11, 201114 yr Author I read your post! ..I'm not sure if I misunderstood something, though. My area of interest is usually human genetics, not avian. :|
March 11, 201114 yr Slate and Ino are non-allelic in nature. The recombinant frequency of these two loci is 10%. Edited March 11, 201114 yr by RIPbudgies
March 11, 201114 yr Slate and Ino are non-allelic in nature. The recombinant frequency of these two loci is 10%. thank you for that rip next question was my out come for the breeding expectations correct i know you would know definitely @ k&m just you re-posted the exact link i posted with the exact infomation so seemed you did not read any off the other posts people on here have a habit of not reading everything from top to bottom and just answering the first question and skipping everything all others added or say this does my head just sometimes i wonder why i or others bother to try help we either get told we are wrong or the exact thing we say is said by another and our posts just passed by
March 11, 201114 yr Slate and Ino are non-allelic in nature. The recombinant frequency of these two loci is 10%. thank you for that rip next question was my out come for the breeding expectations correct i know you would know definitely @ k&m just you re-posted the exact link i posted with the exact infomation so seemed you did not read any off the other posts people on here have a habit of not reading everything from top to bottom and just answering the first question and skipping everything all others added or say this does my head just sometimes i wonder why i or others bother to try help we either get told we are wrong or the exact thing we say is said by another and our posts just passed by No GB, your first statement was correct. I feel that your wording was not read correctly for if it was then you would n't been deemed wrong. I too getting a bit peeved that people don't read all replys. Hence why I don't answer a lot of posts. If the correct answer has already been given then why bother parroting the same information. Example this thread the correct answer was given many times so I have just added extra info for the inquirer and all who wish to know. Here is a little bit more. It is my understanding from talking to breeders of Slates that the green series birds are also altered in colour but the visual 'slate' that is expected as per the name is truly seen on the blue series bird.
March 11, 201114 yr I think if the answer the first time,was hens, will be Green/slate=green/blue But like you say GB,a lot of members,only read the last post posted,& repeat, what has already been mentioned.
March 11, 201114 yr im sorry but i beg to differ Reading your answer to this it seems to me the same results where given - although, correctly i did forget to state that the males would also be split for Ino not just slate (amd K&M is right that they would be spit blue as well) I too getting a bit peeved that people don't read all replys. Hence why I don't answer a lot of posts. If the correct answer has already been given then why bother parroting the same information. Example this thread the correct answer was given many times so I have just added extra info for the inquirer and all who wish to know. Here is a little bit more. It is my understanding from talking to breeders of Slates that the green series birds are also altered in colour but the visual 'slate' that is expected as per the name is truly seen on the blue series bird. I believe i had already stated that information in previous post - Although slate is only really classed that in the blue line. But they would have the gene and it would affect their feathers
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