I know basically what she is but I guess the better question is WHY is she so faded out?

 

I decided to keep this baby for future breeding

 

the things I know

She's yellow face

She's Grey wing

She's possibly Opaline (98.9% sure- if she's not then she's a he LOL)

Body color is either Grey, Violet, Sky blue or a combo of any of the above - I can see the color its just so faint I can't make out the color

her wing markings are only on the "back" parts of her wings - the parts that are lay on their back when their wings aren't out and there is very very very little markings

 

Things I know she's NOT - I know this 100%

Albino, Lutino, Creamino or any other form of a red eyed budgie (She doesn't have red eyes hehe)

Double factor Dominant Pied

Double Factor Spangle

Spangle

 

What I know but unsure of is I know she's Pied but Which Pied? Her Color is A couple little spots around her neck, and then a little color in the "Shoulder blades" of her back (where the "V" is) NO Visible body color Any where else on her body

 

The Parents

Her dad is a Grey Violet Grey Wing Opaline Clear Flight pied - when he was born He was actually 100% Silver but since he's an adult now in person at least The violet and grey can be seen a lot better

Her mom is a Yellow face type 2 Sky Blue Dominant Pied Split Grey wing (Chance of being split recessive pied)

 

The Grandparents (Dads side) Only bred the dad this one time - Bred the mom twice (I no longer have them)

The Grandfather: Violet Cobalt Opaline Clear flight pied split Grey wing

The Grandmother: Yellow face 2 Cobalt Opaline Violet Clear flight pied Split Grey wing

 

The Grandparents (moms side)- Have been bred multiple times over the years together a couple times and with different mates

The Grandfather: Cobalt Violet Dominant Pied Split Recessive pied and Grey wing

The Grandmother: Albino Masking Opaline, Grey wing, Dominant Pied, and either split or masking Recessive pied

 

 

I do NOT know anything about any set of Grandparents as they were either bought at a pet shops around the state

 

the pairs 1st clutch consisted of 2 babies (more hatched but didn't survive) Pics will be below

Male: Violet Dominant Pied

Female: Violet Opaline Clear Flight Pied

 

2nd clutch 3 Babies

Male: Violet Grey wing

Female: Violet Grey wing Opaline

then the baby in question

 

on to the pictures

 

Baby in Question - several views - Remember her true colors don't show up I've tried with and with out flash and these are with 2 different cameras It doesn't matter if its natural light or not Everything is washed out! and not showing up Trust me I've tried! LOL

 

these 3 pics are under Natural light - no flash- put her by a window and used the light coming in

 

 

 

 

 

These are from the other day now she's in the community cage

 

 

 

The Siblings to the above

The male:

On left

 

The female:

Front

 

 

The Older Siblings from the 1st clutch

The female

The male

Both Together(just because its too cute not to show)

 

the Parents

The dad(in back/mom is in front but i have a better picture of her)

Dad again - used paper over my flash to get a half way decent picture He's so light the camera washes him out

 

The mom

 

 

Continued from above:

 

The Grandparents (Dad's side)

Dad:

 

 

The Mom

The mom again

 

 

Grandparents Mom's side

 

 

Things I have considered her to be

 

Recessive pied - Since her mom does have a chance of being split, BUT I don't know if her dad does, like I said I bred his parents together Once, then his mom one other time to another male - never got recessive pied though.

Clear wing - I know its a Far shot in the dark specially to find a clear wing in the United states- But it would explain why there are NO markings at all on her actual wings

 

Combined Clear Flight & Dominant Pied - I have had many I know how to tell one from another and I know how to tell when its both visually - And she has a better chance at being both visually But She'd be the 1st one I've ever had with Almost no markings at all.

 

I know she's giving me so much trouble because she is so washed out. But no one can seem to figure out why she's so "washed" out if that's even a good way to describe her - like in the pictures she looks basically Pure white and a lot of times in person she does as well BUT if you look at her just the right way or the light hits just right you can see her entire body is pale yellow, then you see the very pale Grey bars on her head and very pale Grey wing markings and the even paler body color that is almost not there at all because its such a small amount.

 

I hope I didn't confuse too many people. But I like to try to give all the information I have and I know its not often people know so much about their birds genetics But I do and I make it my job to know

 

Any opinions?

 

I'm already planning on breeding her to a Normal male next year and I'm hoping the male I have for her by then isn't hiding anything and I defiantly don't want to put her with any pied - So I'll know what kind of pied she is if I don't find out before then

looks like dads a diluted pied not grey wing so ????

but mate sounds like you already know what she is you just want confirmation

i myself can not give it sorry

not into the dilute or greywing varietys so dont know their inheritance factors

I am with GB, dilute and pied, dilute only shows up when they are split, I think the word is recessive. You need to splits to a dilute, or a dilute and a split, I think one of those other birds one of the siblings in your photos looked dilute too. another name is suffused.

I read about Dilutes The description matches but the pictures don't (I went to www.budgieplace.com) The pictures you can tell with out a doubt the budgie has Markings you can see them plain and very clear Even though it's a "light" colored bird

 

is it possible since it's also a yellow face that the yellow is washing everything else out? Because she is yellow from Head to tail there isn't anything on her that isn't yellow but it's all very light - Pastel isn't even light enough really LOL she's like a washed out Pastel of colors and markings lol

 

oh and her cheek patches are a silvery white color not the Light violet color of the dilutes -not sure if that makes a difference

 

and not sure if her age would help but she was born January 2nd, 2011 So she's only a month and 3 weeks old

 

 

 

 

 

KM, you know I've been watching this bird grow up, and I think these latest pictures of her are the best you've gotten so far. I think I can finally see the opaline in her.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if she was just a single factor dom pied who has very little markings, even though she looks more like a double factor dom pied. And since that's not possible, given that her parents are one dom and one clearflight, I wouldn't be surprised if she is actually one of those combos that has dominant AND clearflight pieds.

 

Splat has a good point about the dilute or the suffused. Gabriel (The dad of this chick) always was really pale, so he is probably dilute, and then the mother must be split for dilute. I think around here, suffused would be very rare, but maybe not out of the realm of possibility. I was under the impression that the suffused gene was only in show bred budgies, but I guess it could sneak its way into the pets.

 

I don't think your theory of clearwing fits though, because then she would have brighter body color showing up, at least in the spots where she's not pied.

you have the dilute gene which removed the grey and brown pigment. then you have the yellow face gene which removes some of the yellow pigment from the feathers. so yes the two combined and reduce the colouring of the bird greatly.

 

and then the pied gene which removed all colour from different area's of the bird.

 

I would wait for after her adult feathers come in for the colour to really show. as babies they are always paler. I would believe the patch on her shoulder to get darking in the adult feathers - to something like her father

 

as to the cheek patches the pied gene can affect them as well so for this bird the standards might not fully match.

Thank you all for the input

 

now to figure out how her moms parents could be carrying a gene they've Never once given me visually in the last 4 years of breeding them.

 

Next time I breed the dad of this baby- It'll most likely be with a different female, so no dilutes should be visual correct? Well as long as the mom doesn't have it too because if i remember right dilute is like Grey wing recessive and both parents have to have it ?

Edited February 26, 201114 yr by Finnie

Well, if Gabriel is truly dilute, then all of his chicks will be split to dilute, but it won't show up unless you breed him to a hen who is also dilute or /dilute. So apparently his current hen must be /dilute, if that's what the chick ends up being.

 

Maybe you should take another look at the siblings to this chick. If the mom is a normal/dilute, then all of the other "greywing" babies from this pair would have to be dilute, not greywing.

 

I'm not good at telling the difference between the types of greywings. Maybe others can tell if the dad and siblings of this chick look like dilute rather than greywing.

I posted the siblings that go with this baby

 

and the babies from their 1st clutch neither one of the 2 were Any form of dilute one is a clearwing one is a dominant pied

This one could be dilute/suffused. Maybe a bit dark but could be a badly marked one and the one in question could be to light a badly marked one too..

Okay thanks

 

If I put the mom's parents together again I'll see if I get any dilutes this time around from them - Since I'm assuming I would need to in order for her to be split to it, and I've never gotten any before and they've had at least 4 clutches since I started breeding them in 2008 and I've never gotten anything other than Dominant Pied

 

but I can't do that with the dads parents Since I don't have them any more

 

but I did keep his sister from the same parents as him So i could put her with one of the dad to the mom of these babies and I should get the Dilute that way too ?

Dilute can be hit and miss .....it can pop up anywhere even after several clutches with none. And since the expectations of pairings goes over ten clutches or so and you get a mix each time they are paired together, you may not get a dilute for 8 or 9 clutches .

I have had a dilute pop out of unexpected parents as has a whole lot of other people I know.