I tried to do a search on what these two genes would look like if they were combined, but mostly all I could come up with is when they are combined with recessive pied. There is a lot of information about Dark Eyed Clears, which is the Clearflight Pied combined with Recessive Pied, and there is Neville's really nice thread about the Dominant Pied combined with Recessive Pied. But I could only find one topic that mentions a bird whose parents were probably a dom pied and a clearflight pied. The bird in question looked kind of like a DF dom pied, but it was decided it couldn't be.

 

In my search (on here, but also on Google), I did find a lot of different descriptions of the difference between Dominant Pied and Clearflight Pied, and it appears that a lot of people are confused as to which is which. It also seems that since people can't tell them apart, they are breeding them together on a regular basis, without knowing it. So it would follow, that there are a lof of chicks out there that have a single factor of Dom Pied, and also a single factor of Clearflight Pied.

 

So, does anybody know for sure what this would look like? Got any pictures?

There are some pieds on this thread that I think are combinations of clearflight & dominants

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=26986&st=40&p=256677&hl=+test%20+pied%20+types&fromsearch=1entry256677

Yes, thank you, Neville. That was the same one I found, which was the only one I could find. From reading that, I get the impression that having one dom pied factor from one parent and one clearflight pied from the other parent makes it look similar to a DF dom pied.

 

I was kind of hoping that I could stir up more people who knew they had a bird like that, and that maybe they could put up pictures. I hate to assume how a gene works based on just one example.

 

There obviously seems to be a lot of variation of how dom pieds and clearflight pieds look, some of them being poorly marked ones. I guess there is probably also a lot of variation on how the combination of the two would look. I'm beginning to think that it's just not something that can be discerned visually, you would have to know the ancestry to figure it out.

There are probably a lot of combinations around but i agree that in most cases you'd need to know the ancestry to figure them out. When the banded dominant pied mutation first appeared they were bred extensively with the existing clearflights so there has been confusion from the start. The clearflight pied can be very variable some only have a few clear feathers and others have large clear areas. Dominant pieds are usually more uniform

Well that would explain a bird I once had. He looked like a normal with a recessive pied spot, but he had one clear flight feather. I thought he was a poorly marked dom pied, but maybe he was a poorly marked clearflight pied, instead. I put him with a dom pied hen, and the chicks came out mostly looking like clearflight pieds, so I wondered where that came from.

Well that would explain a bird I once had. He looked like a normal with a recessive pied spot, but he had one clear flight feather. I thought he was a poorly marked dom pied, but maybe he was a poorly marked clearflight pied, instead. I put him with a dom pied hen, and the chicks came out mostly looking like clearflight pieds, so I wondered where that came from.

 

hehe I know what Male your talking about

 

You bred him to a Pied, I bred him to a Non Pied - But the hen was Spangle and I got One "normal" one spangle

 

The normal

 

The Spangle

 

The Spangle all grown up

 

Very bottom under the Grey Spangle Opaline

 

 

Is the Spangle a mutation I don't see? I've always called him just a Violet Spangle - He is violet in person my cameras turn him Blue and he's Spangle but I don't see any pied what so ever?

 

And with Clear flight pied Like Dominant Pied only one parent has to carry the gene to get any.. Maybe I didn't get any because they only had the 2 babies?

Edited February 26, 201114 yr by K&M Breeding

I don't see pied on Bailey's boy there, only spangle.

 

I think you're right, with only two chicks, your chances of getting a pied were smaller.

I dug in my records even more I knew Baily had a pied baby With Storm(Spangle mom) it was their 2nd clutch (those 2 i posted above was 1st clutch)

the 2nd clutch had 3 babies - and going by what I was told they had

1 Grey Clear Flight pied

1 Grey Dominant Pied

1 Normal Grey

I'd have to search through my Cd's to find their pictures though it doesn't seem they're in my photobucket any more

 

I don't see pied on Bailey's boy there, only spangle.

 

I think you're right, with only two chicks, your chances of getting a pied were smaller.

 

Whew - glad to hear that I'm running out of room to write thier mutations on my breeding records as it is I didn't want to add another mutation to him LOL

Well, I'm sure Bailey was only one or the other, not both, so what was Storm?

Well, I'm sure Bailey was only one or the other, not both, so what was Storm?

 

All she is is Grey Spangle her dads split to Opaline and Albino , her mom is Albino Masking Dominant Pied, Opaline and either split or masking Recessive pied

 

 

She's on the Left - Her Half Brother is on the right same dad different mom

Edited February 27, 201114 yr by K&M Breeding

I dug in my records even more I knew Baily had a pied baby With Storm(Spangle mom) it was their 2nd clutch (those 2 i posted above was 1st clutch)

the 2nd clutch had 3 babies - and going by what I was told they had

1 Grey Clear Flight pied

1 Grey Dominant Pied

1 Normal Grey

All she is is Grey Spangle

 

 

 

okay, so if she wasn't pied, and Bailey only had one kind of pied, then you couldn't have gotten 1 clearflight pied and 1 dominant pied from those parents. So, either both chicks were clearflight pied, or else both chicks were dominant pied. They both have to be the same kind, they must have gotten it from Bailey.

 

 

 

 

 

I know this post is old But I found some pics of Storm and Baily's 2nd clutch not the best but it's all I had

Storm is on the very end on the right

 

 

This one is a bit better of their backs

 

left is the normal

Bottom is the one i was told was clear flight pied

top one is the one i was told was a dominant pied

 

first thing I noticed was the tails the one on the bottom has the clear tail along with clear flights of a clear flight pied

the top one has the blue tail and clear flights of a dominant pied

 

when they were just wee babies with Mama (left) Daddy(right)

 

 

closer up of the above picture

looking at the front of the chicks i would think they are both clear flight pieds one with just a few more feathers affected.

looking at the front of the chicks i would think they are both clear flight pieds one with just a few more feathers affected.

 

Oh okay

 

so a clear flight pied can have a Navy blue tail? it doesn't always have to be clear?

 

wondering because I have an Adult who matches the clear flight pied on everything but the Blue single tail feather so I was debating if he was a clear flight pied or not, I know he's not dominant pied his front has no clear patches at all

any pied could still get a normal tail. it is a fault on the show standards.

Okay Thank you