Okay so I paired these two birds together. Asia, a female Light Green Spangle split for blue (her parents; a violet Clearflight Pied Opaline Spangle female and a Dark Green Spangle male, the splits--if any--of the male are unknown except that he is probably not split for blue) and a Skyblue Fallow male (parents unknown, never bred him before so any splits are also unknown)

 

I got two chicks, who are currently 15 and 14 days old. The oldest appears to be a Green Pied (which type I don't know) who is also either Opaline or split for it. The second looks like a normal Blue. I'm just wondering what kind of Pied the first chick is, how that appeared, and also if he/she is Opaline, as you can clearly see the white down in comparison to the grey down of its sibling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

pics of mum n dad please

 

and yes its opaline

and could just be spangle with the pied spot

have to wait in see

what it feathers up like

 

to give better judgment

 

does look pied though

Here are photos of the mum and dad. Oh, and the chick is most definitely Pied and not Spangle, as his/her 2 middle tail feathers aren't clear like a Spangle, and his/her right wing pins are also clear, along with the Pied spot behind his/her head. There are no visible signs of either the mum or dad being any kind of Pied or split for it, so that is what has me wondering! (Although the father is a Fallow and his markings are pale enough that he MAY be Clearflight Pied but with no visible pied head spot)

 

picture of the Fallow, plus the other bird is the father of Asia (grandfather of the chicks in question)

 

 

 

Another picture of the Fallow, plus a picture of Kestrel (sister of Asia)

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not a pied marking on Asia's front, By The Way, just a feather out of place.

 

 

Edited February 14, 201114 yr by Jen144

Here are photos of the mum and dad. Oh, and the chick is most definitely Pied and not Spangle, as his/her 2 middle tail feathers aren't clear like a Spangle, and his/her right wing pins are also clear, along with the Pied spot behind his/her head. There are no visible signs of either the mum or dad being any kind of Pied or split for it, so that is what has me wondering! (Although the father is a Fallow and his markings are pale enough that he MAY be Clearflight Pied but with no visible pied head spot)

 

picture of the Fallow, plus the other bird is the father of Asia (grandfather of the chicks in question)

 

 

 

Another picture of the Fallow, plus a picture of Kestrel (sister of Asia)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is not a pied marking on Asia's front, By The Way, just a feather out of place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

well if your certain its a pied then it can only be a rec pied

they can look like dome pied in nest

as when i breed pet pieds the pair i had was df dom / rec pied hen and a grey/rececive pied cock

when the chicks were young i couldnt tell till the wings feathers were out or being combo pieds sometimes till ring came in

mostly just till fully feathered though normally only on rec in the clutch ever to being hen df dom

 

so but pics as it grows would be cool

 

 

looking back at your pics your hen doesnt have iris rings and wings are grizzled like a pie she could be a rec pied with full wings my friend just breed few them

although your hen has full body which i never seen on a full winged pied so i really am not going to be saying she deferentially is just some pieds are full winged

i had a clearflight pied whom looked normal

one day i noticed one clear flight hidden way under all the others

only as my pair had 50 percenmt pieds

i was stumped so did full re look on birds to find if i could work it out as its a co dom gen i think

clear flight turned out one small white flight right on end wing under all other flights

so ??? i dont know

will have to wait i guess see what it comes out like

Edited February 14, 201114 yr by GenericBlue

i would wait for more feathers - though i did notice the difference in the flight feathers in the first picture.

 

There is recessive pied which can be carried down a line for awhile before appearing in a chick.

Thanks all for the replies!

 

Update: The chick isn't Opaline...however, am I correct in saying that Recessive Pieds can also have white down when they are chicks? If so, that would confirm that the baby is Rec. Pied and would also explain the white down..

 

If that's all true, now I have to figure out how the parents are both split for Rec. Pied!

 

 

I don't know about recessive pieds, but dutch pieds have white down and the fenotype can be just like a normal budgie, appearing to be no pied at all. They usually still have pink feet. But later on you'll see, if the chick develops iris rings or not. Dutch pied would have iris rings and also blue/normal cere compared to recessive pied pink.

 

It's a rare variety this dutch pied, but you never know! If somebody has more experience on dutch pieds, please correct, but I think your hen also has those grizzled markings in her wings, characteristic to dutch pieds and recessive pieds only and the hen is not a recessive pied is she?

 

But these are only guesses!

Edited February 22, 201114 yr by falki

At this point the chick is looking like a spangle with a head spot.

i want another picture of it

i did think dutch pied but said clear flighted lol'

when i was mentioning up top of thread

but did look like a spangle with pied spot in first picture as i first said but with all the rec genes floating around whom knows

picture would be cool to see it's progress

an updated picture would be great.

 

Second picture the two tail feathers look dark - they should be yellow for a spangle (yes it could be a fault)

 

but there is something different in that first shot with the flight feathers

Pics I just took. This chick is definitely not a Spangle and definitely some kind of Pied... Asia's mum was a Clearflight Pied so it is possible that Asia is somehow Clearflight Pied and not showing it and passed it onto this chick. OR, both parents could be split for Rec Pied, although as far as I know neither of Asia's parents were Rec Pied or split for it...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 201114 yr by Jen144

well it looks clear flighted to me on one side lol and normal on other

was the hen in flight before you paired for a while mating

or was she with the fallow for a while in separate breeding unit

as if you took them out of flight straight to unit and eggs were layed in ten day span it is not imposable for it to be someone else s chick

but i do believe maybe you need to see if this hen produces another on in a second clutch even if you foster eggs as to tell you truth if was clear flighted the hen would not have such bad grizzled wings as that person above suggested dutch pieds do but you hen has no iris were they up to date pics of mum n dad ???

its a half pied

so far

The hen was with the fallow, separate from the rest of the flock, for quite a while before she laid eggs. I'm not sure of the exact timing, but definitely much longer than 10 days.

 

Asia has iris rings, plus I thought dutch pied was just another name for Clearflight Pied? (Or Recessive Pied, can't remember which) If not, what IS Dutch Pied then?

 

 

The chicks gonna look funny when it grows up but at least one can tell it's a pied! Worse even, if it would just look like the mother Dutch pied or clearflight, I guess they're the same basically, or at least both can produce a iDEC with a recessive pied if split for rec.pied. But in this case I'd say rather these to be dutch pieds, just because they don't have clear flights, lol. I just think dutch pied gives a lot more space for the variety than clearflight...

 

okay, but someone else might be able to say more on this subject. I thought I did see iris rings on Asia and as her mother was a clearflight/ dutch pied, most likely so is Asia and this chick, or what do you think? It is after all a dominant treat and as I said earlier, dutch pied can appear to be a perfectly normal bird, with only the slightest hints to pied if even that.

The mom could possibly be a poorly marked clear flight pied I noticed her flight feathers are not completely Colored the bottom half (closer to the legs) are clear where the top half is colored

If this helps any its a Link on Clear Flight Pied and how it works I know a budgie can't be Split for Clear Flight pied, and A double Factor Clear flight pied looks identical to a Single Factor Clear Flight pied but I would lean more towards the mom being poorly marked - because it only takes 1 parent to be a Clear flight pied to get clear flight babies, and It doesn't look like the dad is clear flight pied at all

 

http://www.budgieplace.com/gen_clearflight.html