I have a fair bit of info on the Dusk as I was the person who identified the mutation and still have a few in the avairy. I have only just came upon this forum and I like what I read. Its good to know that the mutation is growing as I only had a few and gave them to a few guys in the Newcastle region to hopefully keep the variety going.

Edited October 26, 201014 yr by KAZ

I have a fair bit of info on the Dusk as I was the person who identified the mutation and still have a few in the avairy. I have only just came upon this forum and I like what I read. Its good to know that the mutation is growing as I only had a few and gave them to a few guys in the Newcastle region to hopefully keep the variety going.

 

Hi and welcome

 

Any information / pictures on the dusk would be more than welcome here

I have a fair bit of info on the Dusk as I was the person who identified the mutation and still have a few in the avairy. I have only just came upon this forum and I like what I read. Its good to know that the mutation is growing as I only had a few and gave them to a few guys in the Newcastle region to hopefully keep the variety going.

 

Hi and welcome

 

Any information / pictures on the dusk would be more than welcome here

 

I do have an article I wrote a few years ago Titled My funny colours I will have to scratch around and try and find it. And post it on here. I don't have a lot of pics and getting them on here might take me a while 1st to dig them up and second to get them on here. I only have 2 Dusks at the moment and have never kept many as they are just a little thing to play around for me. That is why I gave a few to Brian Turner and maybe even Ken Yorke. Not sure now to ensure they grew in numbers and by the sounds of it they have. will try to dig up the article it goes pretty well bakee to the 1st bird I produced and at the time diddn't realise it was a mutation.

Split this topic out of the show breeder interviews as this discussion has its own merits unrelated to the show breeder interviews

What exactly is a dusk budgie? Would love more info

I have a fair bit of info on the Dusk as I was the person who identified the mutation and still have a few in the avairy. I have only just came upon this forum and I like what I read. Its good to know that the mutation is growing as I only had a few and gave them to a few guys in the Newcastle region to hopefully keep the variety going.

 

Hi and welcome

 

Any information / pictures on the dusk would be more than welcome here

 

I do have an article I wrote a few years ago Titled My funny colours I will have to scratch around and try and find it. And post it on here. I don't have a lot of pics and getting them on here might take me a while 1st to dig them up and second to get them on here. I only have 2 Dusks at the moment and have never kept many as they are just a little thing to play around for me. That is why I gave a few to Brian Turner and maybe even Ken Yorke. Not sure now to ensure they grew in numbers and by the sounds of it they have. will try to dig up the article it goes pretty well bakee to the 1st bird I produced and at the time diddn't realise it was a mutation.

 

Hi Paul, welcome to the BBC forum and I hope you enjoy your stay.

 

As a past (but starting again)rare mutation breeder I am most interested in this mutation. I have a copy of your article and if you have trouble finding yours I would be happy to post with your permission. I have spoken to Ken Yorke about his mutation and he makes reference to it as the second dark factor. Ken has detailed the down colour as being a dull white. Do you agree with this?

 

Of the people who you are aware that have this mutation do any of them breed Clearwings and may have possibly used the Dusk in them? The reason I ask is that I have a Clearwing here that originates from NBC and appears visuallyOlive. His father is stated as Olive and mother Light Green, but this would produce Dark Green, not Olive. I have paired this Olive to a Light Green Cinnamon hen, produced two chicks. On feathering up one appears to be a regualr Dark Green and the other looks like dad, Olive in colour. Again, if he was Olive and paired to a Light Green it should produce 100% Dark Greens. Will try and get some pics on weekend.

O goody! More Fun With Genetics! I can't wait!:budgiedance:

 

(If that emoticon ever shows up, I'm hoping it's the 3 budgies that move their heads/B) )

 

Hey Squeak, I searched "Dusk" on the forum, and a few things came up, but they didn't really explain it much. I think we will learn more here, as this thread develops.

Interesting post RIP, look forward to any articles or pictures anyone can supply

I have a fair bit of info on the Dusk as I was the person who identified the mutation and still have a few in the avairy. I have only just came upon this forum and I like what I read. Its good to know that the mutation is growing as I only had a few and gave them to a few guys in the Newcastle region to hopefully keep the variety going.

 

Hi and welcome

 

Any information / pictures on the dusk would be more than welcome here

 

I do have an article I wrote a few years ago Titled My funny colours I will have to scratch around and try and find it. And post it on here. I don't have a lot of pics and getting them on here might take me a while 1st to dig them up and second to get them on here. I only have 2 Dusks at the moment and have never kept many as they are just a little thing to play around for me. That is why I gave a few to Brian Turner and maybe even Ken Yorke. Not sure now to ensure they grew in numbers and by the sounds of it they have. will try to dig up the article it goes pretty well bakee to the 1st bird I produced and at the time diddn't realise it was a mutation.

 

Hi Paul, welcome to the BBC forum and I hope you enjoy your stay.

 

As a past (but starting again)rare mutation breeder I am most interested in this mutation. I have a copy of your article and if you have trouble finding yours I would be happy to post with your permission. I have spoken to Ken Yorke about his mutation and he makes reference to it as the second dark factor. Ken has detailed the down colour as being a dull white. Do you agree with this?

 

Of the people who you are aware that have this mutation do any of them breed Clearwings and may have possibly used the Dusk in them? The reason I ask is that I have a Clearwing here that originates from NBC and appears visuallyOlive. His father is stated as Olive and mother Light Green, but this would produce Dark Green, not Olive. I have paired this Olive to a Light Green Cinnamon hen, produced two chicks. On feathering up one appears to be a regualr Dark Green and the other looks like dad, Olive in colour. Again, if he was Olive and paired to a Light Green it should produce 100% Dark Greens. Will try and get some pics on weekend.

 

RIP its cool to post the article as it saves me from looking for it. lol. A bit of history the 1st bird was bred out of a Lutino. So looking back it may have been a dusk lutino and the mutation may have been around for a few years with no one taking any notice of it. Brian turner and Ken Yorke both breed clear wingsso quite possible is a dusk. I have show them as Olives and won breeders trophies with them in the past. Some other names I've heard them called is a Newcastle Blue, Brian Turner came up with the name and he had quite a lot of then up to show standard until his avairy was broken into about 2 years ago. I also have feather samples from some of the very 1st birds once I identified them. including a lutino and both green and blue series.

The dusks that RIP appear to have actually originate from clearwing stock that I purchased from eastern states and the cock RIP is talking about was bred here in my aviary, so it's an interesting topic for me as well. So Paul from Newey would it be possible for you to describe the differences that YOU saw in dusk budgies compared to normal colours? Please..........

The dusks that RIP appear to have actually originate from clearwing stock that I purchased from eastern states and the cock RIP is talking about was bred here in my aviary, so it's an interesting topic for me as well. So Paul from Newey would it be possible for you to describe the differences that YOU saw in dusk budgies compared to normal colours? Please..........

 

Not confirmed as Dusk's at this stage and it may take awhile as it is difficult to tell them apart from existing colours i.e. a Dusk Light Green looks like a Dark Green I have been told. The suspect birds labelled as Olive were paired to Light Greens. One pair bred and produced three chicks one died early. The other two feathered up and at this point another died not fed by the parent and looking closely at this bird the down was consistent with being a Feather Duster. This left one survivor an 'Olive' looking individual. Now an Olive x Light Green does not produce Olive young but rather 100% Dark Greens of which the suspect FD was definately one. There is Violet a couple of generations back which complicates things a bit.

 

I have spoken at length with Ken Yorke as he has a fair bit of experience with them. I have also got onto Brian Turner the breeder of some the Clearwings Nubbly obtained. Trying to isolate the Dusk (if indeed it is there) will not be an easy feat due to the Violet factor being present. But where would the challenge be if it was easy. Brian and I also spoke of the Anthracite and if it was possible that it and Dusk are one and the same but unless both are bred in all basic colours the full story cannot be revealed. I am awaiting some info and pics from the UK.

 

I will post the "My Funny Colours" article shortly.

 

Here is the article. I have omitted the last paragraph with Paul's email address for privacy reasons.

If anybody has any comments they can be directed to Paul via PM or post comment on this thread.

 

 

My Funny Colours

 

by Paul McCusker

 

This article is on some birds that appeared in my aviary in the mid to late

1990's. They may be a new mutation or could be a variety that has not been seen

in this country before. I'll let you come to your own conclusion.

 

I first noticed there was something different when I bred a Light Green out of

what I thought was an Olive Opaline in about 1997. I actually showed this bird

as an Olive at the BSNSW Annual Show in 1998. The original *Olive (Funny Colour)

was bred out of a Lutino Hen that was purchased from Barry Wise in 1995 and a

1995 Dark Green Opaline/Lutino that I had bred myself. The hen produced 22

chicks over a couple of different cocks. Only one of those was the Funny Colour.

That original Opaline was lent to a mate who used him for a year and gave me a

Lutino Hen and the *Olive cock back. I then had a bout of Coccidiosis go through

the birds that nearly wiped me out. I purchased a Light Green Normal/Lutino and

paired to the Lutino daughter and produced 2 *Olive cocks and 2 *Olive hens in

amongst some Grey Greens and Lutinos. One of the Lutino's carried a brilliant

yellow feather on it's rump and breast the colour I had not seen before. I

believe this is carrying the *Olive colour with out the Grey Green base colour.

I then paired a son of the Light Green Cock being a Dark Green Normal/Lutino to

the Lutino daughter and produced 2 more *Olives, one of each sex. The next year

I paired the Lutino daughter up to an Albino cock hoping to produce more Lutino'

s and to my surprise I bred both Albino' s and Lutino's out of her. So now I

knew she was split for blue so I thought I'll pair a Skyblue Cock up to her and

see what I get. She hatched 6 chicks but with only 3 surviving my chances of

getting a *Blue was low. I was lucky again as I got 1 *Blue Cinnamon hen and a

*Olive hen and a Grey Opaline hen.

 

This Blue Cinnamon Hen at first when feathering up looked like it may be a

Violet but as it got older this only occurred on the rump, the breast of the

bird looked like grey with blue splashes through it. Some people called it Mauve

and some just didn 't know. The feathers on the breast of the *Blue hen were

very strange with mostly grey and just the last 25% carrying the blue tips. I

lost the old Lutino daughter last year due to cancer but not before producing

another very good coloured Lutino cock.

 

2002 I paired 4 pair up with mixed results. Pair 1 was a half brother and sister

both being *Olive's normal with the cock being split Lutino they over 2 rounds

produced a Lutino hen and a Dark Green Normal/Lutino cock in the 1st round and

only 1 hatched in the 2nd and it had splayed legs which I culled. With the hen

only laying a very small clutch I'll probably pair the cock up to either another

green hen or the *Blue Cinnamon hen I'll mention shortly. Pair 2 was an *Olive

Normal cock that was a son of the previous pair from the previous year paired to

a Cobalt Opaline/Recessive Pied hen. He only filled 3 eggs in 2 rounds but they

all addled. So now he is resting. Pair 3 was a *Olive Normal hen to an unrelated

Light Green Normal cock. She never laid so now she is in the aviary as well.

Pair 4 was the *Blue Cinnamon Hen to an unrelated Sky Blue Normal/Recessive Pied

Cock This was the jackpot pair as in the 1st round was 6 chicks, the 4 Skyblue

Normals and 2 *Blue Normals. 1 of the *Blue's died at 3 1/2 weeks old. In the

2nd round she laid 10 eggs with 10 full and at the moment they are in about 5 or

6 different nests in my birdroom. There are about 10 chicks in varying stages of

development but it looks like I may have a couple more in the nest.

 

My mate who I lent the original *Olive to, Jim Stevenson, produced an *Olive

Opaline hen as well which he kept and produced 4 *Olive Opaline /Lutino cocks

which I' m not sure how they went. Another friend I gave a couple to was Brian

Turner who is playing with them as well.

 

The person who got me thinking they might be a mutation was Kelwyn Kakoschke

when he visited our club in 1999. In my opinion they are a mutation but not a

new colour but a colour modifier similar to the Violet. For all I know they

might be a Slate or could be similar to a colour I read about in Budgerigar

World called an Anthracite (I'm not sure of that spelling).

 

ADMIN - It was not intended this article to be attached to my reply. Could it please be placed in its own little box. Then delete this flashy red request. Ta, thanks. [/b}

Edited November 9, 201014 yr by RIPbudgies

Hi Paul and welcome, I have never heard of this mutation before so find it most most interesting. Can't wait for some photos.

Gee I wrote that a few years ago. I had forgotton most of it I will try and get off my bum and get some pics for you to have a look of the few birds I have and I also have some feathers that I took from those birds I wrote about in the article. Back then I had no names for them that is why I put an asterist in front of them. If you look at the breast feather from memory they have a brown sheen on the end of the feathers. The lutinos I bred back then were very brilliantly coloured and I believe the dusk factor was the wild factor. For those that don't know the mutation is dominant. Which was not put in that article.

Paul the pics where part of the article but I just didn't have time to get them copied over. As the Article is on Ken's 'Budgerigar Bible'CD and he has disabled right click selection I have to copy the pics in a different way. Then I have to transfer them to this computer and then upload to PB. Will try and get time this weekend.

 

I did some pics of the birds here but lost them all and so have to take them again. Time is not my friend right now with all this studying and assignments to do.

Edited November 16, 201014 yr by RIPbudgies

Fair enough time is like that. Yeah ken is a good friend and when I thought I hadf a new mutation Ken was the man i went to for verification. I should be pairing the ones I have up as they haven't been paired for a couple of years now to get some more younger birds of the variaty. Maybe this communication might prompt me to get off my bum and do it. LOL. I never put violet anywhere near them as I think it will hide the variety as does the Grey factor. I have never bred an olive dusk so I don't really know what they would look like. The 2 I have are both Blue Cinnamon dusks.

I thought I'd bump this, since I was looking around for info on the Dusk mutation, as a possible explanation for why I got "Olive" chicks out of a pairing of my green cock and sky blue hen.

 

 

Does anybody know whether this Dusk mutation may have appeared in the U.S.? Normally I wouldn't assume that something new or rare would just show up in a pet store bird. But if they can be mistaken for dark factor birds, maybe they are more widespread than we have thought. Maybe there are colony breeders and commercial breeders who aren't paying attention to what they've got, and haven't been noticing that their no-dark factor birds have started throwing dark factors.

I thought I'd bump this, since I was looking around for info on the Dusk mutation, as a possible explanation for why I got "Olive" chicks out of a pairing of my green cock and sky blue hen.

 

 

Does anybody know whether this Dusk mutation may have appeared in the U.S.? Normally I wouldn't assume that something new or rare would just show up in a pet store bird. But if they can be mistaken for dark factor birds, maybe they are more widespread than we have thought. Maybe there are colony breeders and commercial breeders who aren't paying attention to what they've got, and haven't been noticing that their no-dark factor birds have started throwing dark factors.

 

 

I tried Google but only 1 picture came up for what i actually searched for and to me it didn't look much different than a Grey Green budgie . I have never heard of a "dusk" mutation in budgies only thing with "dusk" I have ever heard of was a Dusky Headed conure