I think it is time you told Crumble,to have respect,for the breeders

who know what they are talking about.These people who have been in the breed,

for 5 minites & they think they know every thing.

Hi everyone.I have a very peculair chick. I have scanned the mutations in my head, and have not yet seen anything like this.This chick is a normal blue but..... HAS WHITE FLIGHTS?The chicks sire is a normal green cock. The hen is a cinnamon light green split blue.The father also must be split blue, but originally I was expecting normal green's all round with cocks split cinnamon. When looking in the nest today, I saw this chick. He looked different, and I couldn't quite put my finger on it (compared to his normal blue sis/brother) The wing markings ALMOST look TCB on the flights, kind of grizzed in the secondaires also, but TCBs normally have that on their wing feathers.. Further observation also (just now:P ) has appeared that the feathers on the back/between wings are a light/grizzled grey also. Any ideas?

 

 

Pictures. Also, I have an idea. Any chance this chick is a CLEARFLIGHT? I know this is a very very rare mutation in Aus, but I had a cock bird (totally unrelated) that was a normal green, with yellow flight feathers. I was told by a club member he was just a dom pied ( he did have a faint band) but I know this bird isn' a rec. or dom. pied.Abnormality circled:

 

 

Not in australia

you get clear-flighted pied in Australiabut i dont think its one is it possible the cock was split clear body ???

 

 

nope. The cock was bred by an nationals breeder here who doesnt go near tcbs at all.

 

 

The breeder has not bought an outcross ( or any budgie into their stud) for over 15 years. But if this chick is a tcb, by some strange miracle, it will be a darn cra*one, as i think the standard for their flights are suffused/grey, not CLEA R WHITEthe secondaries are grizzled, flights clear

Genes can remain hidden for a long time. I popped out a Dilute here from a Normal Sky cock and a Cinnamon Grey Green hen. On the hens side the Dilute was injected 10 years ago. Don't know about the cock bird.A Clearwing breeder here popped out Fallow Clearwings. Tracked it back to Fallows being introduced 26 years previously. Time is irrelvent really. As for gauging the value of a chick using the show standard, word of advice....don't. It is a baby and as such is in nest feather which is, and will never be anything like the adult feather after the bird moults, as as such will not measure up to the standard. Even if the bird is not showable by your defination it may still be classed as a breeder.

As you have been told by many many people Squeak. You have a TEXAS CLEARBODY baby.

 

and since its a baby and in baby feather it looks different to what YOU are expecting to see as in your mind most likely you are imagining an adult TCB.

You dont seem to want to believe what so many experienced people have told you.

 

 

Kaz, the last time I protested it was a clearbody was on my fourth post in the last thread.

 

I am not saying I don't belive any of you, but the only post I said that I don't belive was at the start. Much discussion has been said since then.

 

You asked for pictures, and I gave them to you. I asked a couple questions about why I am confused that the bird appears clearbody, but no one has yet to answer me?

 

And I know that birds look different in baby feather. You can't tell me once again as your point that it looks different in baby feathers, when I already know it looks different, and on one has answered my question about it.

 

 

okay so what i dont understand is if its a clearbody it has to be female and has to be from a split cock unless you put a foster egg in and forgot

also whom ever it was in your club who said it was a dom pied well maybe you need to listen less to them as they must not know much about mutations also the breeder whom doesnt go near clearbodys does he own any

as i bet you he does many wont admit whats in their birds due to others trying to work out how to breed a verierty well

maybe thats his secret putting clear-body through

also you havent asked a question bar what is this chick

and who said we dont get clearflights here as id not listen to them either

Edited October 22, 201014 yr by KAZ
fixed double post

 

okay so what i dont understand is if its a clearbody it has to be female and has to be from a split cock unless you put a foster egg in and forgot. No foster egg. And it is looking like a cock?

also whom ever it was in your club who said it was a dom pied well maybe you need to listen less to them as they must not know much about mutations also the breeder whom doesnt go near clearbodys does he own any

as i bet you he does many wont admit whats in their birds due to others trying to work out how to breed a verierty well

maybe thats his secret putting clear-body through

also you havent asked a question bar what is this chick I was reffering I was menaing when I asked the question do TCB's have base coloured tails as chicks, as that is the main thing I was confused about.

and who said we dont get clearflights here as id not listen to them either A mutation "expert" in my club when I first joined, said we don't get continental (or oriental?) clearflights in Australia.

What do you mean by base colour S_C TBC's have body colour on tails and rumps but it fades out as you go up the body. The chick in question has the typical grizzled grey on the wings and tail you can see that on most of the tail feathers they are normal coloured (as for a normal blue but fade off/grizzle at the ends. The wings are typical for clearbody too although it looks like they are white on the ends of the flights they are actually a light grizzled grey which will darken slightly as the chick moults.

 

Will be interesting to see if it is a cock or a hen in the long run though..... if it's a cock then that IS a bit of a mystery.........

I reckon it's a clearbody too, but I was talking about the clearflight pied here is a link

http://www.budgieplace.com/c_clearflight.html

What do you mean by base colour S_C TBC's have body colour on tails and rumps but it fades out as you go up the body. The chick in question has the typical grizzled grey on the wings and tail you can see that on most of the tail feathers they are normal coloured (as for a normal blue but fade off/grizzle at the ends. The wings are typical for clearbody too although it looks like they are white on the ends of the flights they are actually a light grizzled grey which will darken slightly as the chick moults.

 

Will be interesting to see if it is a cock or a hen in the long run though..... if it's a cock then that IS a bit of a mystery.........

I meant about the chick having blue tail feathers, when they should be black, but that was answered a bit back about how chicks don't always replicate the adult mutation. Like I said, the only reason I am a bit thrown away from clearbody (and I just realised as I am typing!) that all the TCB chicks I have had are Opaline. That may be why the wing markings looked peculiar to me?

 

I reckon it's a clearbody too, but I was talking about the clearflight pied here is a link

http://www.budgiepla...learflight.html

Not sure sorry

 

 

I meant about the chick having blue tail feathers, when they should be black, but that was answered a bit back about how chicks don't always replicate the adult mutation. Like I said, the only reason I am a bit thrown away from clearbody (and I just realised as I am typing!) that all the TCB chicks I have had are Opaline. That may be why the wing markings looked peculiar to me?

 

I would say that that is a pretty good reason that you might be getting confused

I meant about the chick having blue tail feathers, when they should be black, but that was answered a bit back about how chicks don't always replicate the adult mutation. Like I said, the only reason I am a bit thrown away from clearbody (and I just realised as I am typing!) that all the TCB chicks I have had are Opaline. That may be why the wing markings looked peculiar to me?

 

I would say that that is a pretty good reason that you might be getting confused

 

And I only just realised that when typing

I reckon it's a clearbody too, but I was talking about the clearflight pied here is a link

http://www.budgieplace.com/c_clearflight.html

 

I see the budgie place website has reared its head again.

 

Those photos of supposed 'clearflights' are in fact Continental Clearflights (CC) also known as Dutch Pieds (DP). CC's are a named used on the continent (Europe) back in the early days of breeding as this is were they originated. When paired to Danish Recessive Pieds (DRP) they produce the composite called a Dark Eyed Clear (DEC). The term "Clearflight" has crept into usage to define Australian Dominant Pieds (ADP) with markings confined to the flights. It has also been done with the ADP showing a tendancy to show a 'band' across the centre of the body. Both the ADP and CC have been bred together at times and created pied hybrids which are difficult to tell apart visual at times.

 

Back to the budgie place...the birds in the photos shown as far as I can tell are two CC's and ADP, the two green birds being the CC's. The Mauve looks like a ADP but unless the down colour is sighted as a baby it cannot be determined with 100% accuracy based on that photo alone.

 

Oh one thing to remember is the tendency of humans to pigeon hole things. Humans like to place things in nice neat little boxes with labels. When an object is lightly different is causing confusion as so is deamed different and so gains a new name to define it. Over time the origin can be lost and ever so slight deviation becomes a new object.

So the Continental Clearflight, aka Dutch Pied, it IS found in Australia? And I'm assuming it's found in the U.S., too, right? I mean, it would have to be, if we have DEC in both countries. So who was saying we don't have them? Maybe that person meant something else altogether.

So the Continental Clearflight, aka Dutch Pied, it IS found in Australia? And I'm assuming it's found in the U.S., too, right? I mean, it would have to be, if we have DEC in both countries. So who was saying we don't have them? Maybe that person meant something else altogether.

 

Yes they are in Australia, I bred them along with DEC's. There are some that are also mixed with ADP's. There has always been a problem with Pieds and I reckon it will always be so. The Budgie's Place website has a lot of good stuff and as far as the mutations go a fair degree of accuracy but it does suffer from information gleaned from suspect sources. If one does not have a good working knowledge of genetics, variety identification and history of mutations one could easily believe was is written in the majority of cases. Even be the advent of the internet those who wrote books on the subject did not always pass on correct information but rather pass on what they had been told or read some where.

 

Back to CC's (Dutch Pieds is best used in Australia) one item that either is overlooked or is just not known by most writers is that they have white down unlike the ADP and DRP which have grey down. This can be one of the distinguishing points in the nest, as long as there is no Opaline involved. I personally kept Opaline out of my DP lines.

 

Terminology is a big issue and budgies do not suffer this problem alone. Mutation naming is a problem with all birds.