Posted October 21, 201014 yr Hi everyone. I have a very peculair chick. I have scanned the mutations in my head, and have not yet seen anything like this. This chick is a normal blue but..... HAS WHITE FLIGHTS? The chicks sire is a normal green cock. The hen is a cinnamon light green split blue. The father also must be split blue, but originally I was expecting normal green's all round with cocks split cinnamon. When looking in the nest today, I saw this chick. He looked different, and I couldn't quite put my finger on it (compared to his normal blue sis/brother) The wing markings ALMOST look TCB on the flights, kind of grizzed in the secondaires also, but TCBs normally have that on their wing feathers.. Further observation also (just now:P ) has appeared that the feathers on the back/between wings are a light/grizzled grey also. Any ideas?
October 21, 201014 yr Author Pictures. Also, I have an idea. Any chance this chick is a CLEARFLIGHT? I know this is a very very rare mutation in Aus, but I had a cock bird (totally unrelated) that was a normal green, with yellow flight feathers. I was told by a club member he was just a dom pied ( he did have a faint band) but I know this bird isn' a rec. or dom. pied. Abnormality circled:
October 21, 201014 yr Author I am thinking a bit washed, so far it looks sky blue but it is looking a tiny bit diluted. Not as much as a cinnamon sky blue would have though.
October 21, 201014 yr Not in australia you get clear-flighted pied in Australia but i dont think its one is it possible the cock was split clear body ???
October 21, 201014 yr Author nope. The cock was bred by an nationals breeder here who doesnt go near tcbs at all.
October 21, 201014 yr nope. The cock was bred by an nationals breeder here who doesnt go near tcbs at all. If I had a dollar for every time I heard that statement. The breeder doesn't have to. All he/she has to do is bring a bird in from some where else. The chick is looking like a TCB at this stage.
October 21, 201014 yr Author The breeder has not bought an outcross ( or any budgie into their stud) for over 15 years. But if this chick is a tcb, by some strange miracle, it will be a darn cra*one, as i think the standard for their flights are suffused/grey, not CLEA R WHITE the secondaries are grizzled, flights clear
October 21, 201014 yr The breeder has not bought an outcross ( or any budgie into their stud) for over 15 years. But if this chick is a tcb, by some strange miracle, it will be a darn cra*one, as i think the standard for their flights are suffused/grey, not CLEA R WHITE the secondaries are grizzled, flights clear Genes can remain hidden for a long time. I popped out a Dilute here from a Normal Sky cock and a Cinnamon Grey Green hen. On the hens side the Dilute was injected 10 years ago. Don't know about the cock bird. A Clearwing breeder here popped out Fallow Clearwings. Tracked it back to Fallows being introduced 26 years previously. Time is irrelvent really. As for gauging the value of a chick using the show standard, word of advice....don't. It is a baby and as such is in nest feather which is, and will never be anything like the adult feather after the bird moults, as as such will not measure up to the standard. Even if the bird is not showable by your defination it may still be classed as a breeder.
October 22, 201014 yr How about you update the photos Squeak As one of the photos you posted earlier shows a greyish flight. Since you did the thick black rings around those photos it now cant be seen easily, but left wing flight showed a grey flight not white. Newer photos will help i think i should now mention the chicks tail is blue No need. Tail colour is obvious as we can see in this photo Edited October 22, 201014 yr by KAZ
October 22, 201014 yr So you circled the supposed abnormality. I am beginning to wonder if you really want to know what the bird is or wether you just want to hear what you think it is. As for the blue tail, don't change anything just means the bird is blue not grey which was already quite evident on the first photos anyway. I will say this again. The bird is in baby feather and IT WILL NOT show the same characteristics as an adult bird. TCB's are very variable in their expression espesically as babies.
October 22, 201014 yr Here is some tcb babies I had when I bred pet types This one didnt come from tcb parents Edited October 22, 201014 yr by KAZ
October 22, 201014 yr Author How about you update the photos Squeak As one of the photos you posted earlier shows a greyish flight. Since you did the thick black rings around those photos it now cant be seen easily, but left wing flight showed a grey flight not white. Newer photos will help i think i should now mention the chicks tail is blue No need. Tail colour is obvious as we can see in this photo More pictures to come, I will get the macro camera out for clearer close-ups. So you circled the supposed abnormality. I just thoguht it would help to show the bits I was talking about I am beginning to wonder if you really want to know what the bird is or wether you just want to hear what you think it is. I know I am only a novice and my grasp on mutations/genetics is very minimal. I actually have no idea what this chick is. I don't want it to be anything really, and I do really want to know what this bird is. ( I think that was your question?) As for the blue tail, don't change anything just means the bird is blue not grey which was already quite evident on the first photos anyway. I thought TCB's have black tails. Also, different colours show on different monitors. The tail is showing up black in the photo's for me, so I just wanted to clarify that it was blue. I will say this again. The bird is in baby feather and IT WILL NOT show the same characteristics as an adult bird. TCB's are very variable in their expression espesically as babies. Here is some tcb babies I had when I bred pet types Now I can see why the tail does not matter. So do TCB chicks have base coloured tails? instead of all black? I know TCB's vary, but my chick has no suffusion on his wings at all, apart from flights and a dark grey in the secondaries. He does have lighter patch between shoulders
October 22, 201014 yr Author Photo's. Full Body: Body Colour: (is richer in real life) Wing pictures:
October 22, 201014 yr As you have been told by many many people Squeak. You have a TEXAS CLEARBODY baby. and since its a baby and in baby feather it looks different to what YOU are expecting to see as in your mind most likely you are imagining an adult TCB. You dont seem to want to believe what so many experienced people have told you. Chookbreeder breeds them at nationals level and he has answered in your topic about it being a TCB Chookbreeders interview http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=28490&st=0& The chick is looking like a TCB at this stage. Looks very much like a TCB baby I had once. Looks like a TBC to me. Clearbody for mine... Cheers PT So you circled the supposed abnormality. I am beginning to wonder if you really want to know what the bird is or wether you just want to hear what you think it is. As for the blue tail, don't change anything just means the bird is blue not grey which was already quite evident on the first photos anyway. I will say this again. The bird is in baby feather and IT WILL NOT show the same characteristics as an adult bird. TCB's are very variable in their expression espesically as babies. Looks like clearbodies to me....... Edited October 22, 201014 yr by KAZ
October 22, 201014 yr Author As you have been told by many many people Squeak. You have a TEXAS CLEARBODY baby. and since its a baby and in baby feather it looks different to what YOU are expecting to see as in your mind most likely you are imagining an adult TCB. You dont seem to want to believe what so many experienced people have told you. Kaz, the last time I protested it was a clearbody was on my fourth post in the last thread. I am not saying I don't belive any of you, but the only post I said that I don't belive was at the start. Much discussion has been said since then. You asked for pictures, and I gave them to you. I asked a couple questions about why I am confused that the bird appears clearbody, but no one has yet to answer me? And I know that birds look different in baby feather. You can't tell me once again as your point that it looks different in baby feathers, when I already know it looks different, and on one has answered my question about it.
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