I have a grey green spangle split fallow and I was curious to know what effect if any, the grey factor has on the fallow.

Cheers

Have a read of this interview with Ian Hanington www.budgerigar.com.au/HaningtonFweb.pdf

His fallows have won the Nationals 9 times

It sounds like he uses grey in his breeding, so must not have a negative impact.

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grey helps remove the blue sheen you can get in Ino's (albinos) that might be the case for Fallow as well

Have a read of this interview with Ian Hanington www.budgerigar.com.au/HaningtonFweb.pdf

His fallows have won the Nationals 9 times

It sounds like he uses grey in his breeding, so must not have a negative impact.

Excellent reference, thank you Carlisle. He has some beautiful birds and the yellow face fallow sounds interesting too.

 

grey helps remove the blue sheen you can get in Ino's (albinos) that might be the case for Fallow as well

Thanks Nerwen, just wasn't sure if the grey would affect the wing and tail colour too much.

Grey doesn't really seem to affect the fallow at all, in fact Ian Hanington commented to me long ago that not one of his grey green bred fallows ever show as grey greens in colour and that the fallow gene somehow negates the activity of the grey gene.

Grey doesn't really seem to affect the fallow at all, in fact Ian Hanington commented to me long ago that not one of his grey green bred fallows ever show as grey greens in colour and that the fallow gene somehow negates the activity of the grey gene.

Thank you Nubbly. That's very interesting and handy to know.

Cheers

Grey and grey green fallow are extermely rare. I understand from talking to Ian Hannington that he has not bred one yet. I know I haven't and neither has fellow vic fallow breeder John Flanagan. We all use greys and grey greens and breed splits that are grey or grey green, but not fallows. My hypothesis is that the fallow and the "normal" gene {non-grey allele} are in linked. That is, whenever the fallow gene is passed from one generation to the next it comes with the normal allele. The probable cause of this is that the fallow gene and the normal gene are found very close together on the same chromosome and always get inherited as a "pair". Being close together means that during meiosis when the chromotids crossover, the likelyhood of the chromotids crossing over at a point between the normal gene and the fallow gene is very low. It is not impossible for these two genes to seperate, but as a general rule, the closer the genes are located on the chromosome, the more generations it will take to seperate these two genes.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

PT

Thank you for explaining Chookbreeder. I have 9 of John's fallows and splits. Hopefully have some luck with them. :rofl:

Thank you for explaining Chookbreeder. I have 9 of John's fallows and splits. Hopefully have some luck with them. :rofl:

 

 

Hi Rachelm,

 

All of my fallows trace back to John's stock and I have had a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th at the nationals with them.

With John's birds you are "fishing in the right pond".

 

Cheers

 

PT

Thank you for explaining Chookbreeder. I have 9 of John's fallows and splits. Hopefully have some luck with them. :rofl:

 

 

Hi Rachelm,

 

All of my fallows trace back to John's stock and I have had a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th at the nationals with them.

With John's birds you are "fishing in the right pond".

 

Cheers

 

PT

Congrats on your national wins, your fallows and clearbodies are stunning.

Now I'm really excited :rofl:

Good news, eh, Rachel :rofl:

Good news, eh, Rachel :rofl:

I feel like I've won the Lotto. LOL :rofl:

well you almost have lol

you will go far your a smart woman with the right amount of brains per countermeasure of your mind

Grey and grey green fallow are extermely rare. I understand from talking to Ian Hannington that he has not bred one yet. I know I haven't and neither has fellow vic fallow breeder John Flanagan. We all use greys and grey greens and breed splits that are grey or grey green, but not fallows. My hypothesis is that the fallow and the "normal" gene {non-grey allele} are in linked. That is, whenever the fallow gene is passed from one generation to the next it comes with the normal allele. The probable cause of this is that the fallow gene and the normal gene are found very close together on the same chromosome and always get inherited as a "pair". Being close together means that during meiosis when the chromotids crossover, the likelyhood of the chromotids crossing over at a point between the normal gene and the fallow gene is very low. It is not impossible for these two genes to seperate, but as a general rule, the closer the genes are located on the chromosome, the more generations it will take to seperate these two genes.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

PT

 

 

This is very interesting. I wonder if the separation will ever occur. In Ian Hanington's interview he says he has tried over 200 such pairings, and it hasn't happened yet. But I guess the odds would be a lot lower than one in 200.

Grey and grey green fallow are extermely rare. I understand from talking to Ian Hannington that he has not bred one yet. I know I haven't and neither has fellow vic fallow breeder John Flanagan. We all use greys and grey greens and breed splits that are grey or grey green, but not fallows. My hypothesis is that the fallow and the "normal" gene {non-grey allele} are in linked. That is, whenever the fallow gene is passed from one generation to the next it comes with the normal allele. The probable cause of this is that the fallow gene and the normal gene are found very close together on the same chromosome and always get inherited as a "pair". Being close together means that during meiosis when the chromotids crossover, the likelyhood of the chromotids crossing over at a point between the normal gene and the fallow gene is very low. It is not impossible for these two genes to seperate, but as a general rule, the closer the genes are located on the chromosome, the more generations it will take to seperate these two genes.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

PT

 

 

wow that sounds so much like what i learn in biology!

meiosis and crossing over >> which increases genetic variety

it makes perfectly good sense, i like your hypothesis chookbreeder! about how the alleles lie on the same chromosome and are linked

makes sense why they are inherited together and never seperate!

 

thanks for the interesting genetic lesson =]