I have included a picture of a baby TCB. Take note of the markings on the wings and it can seen that the markings are not as heavy in babies. Once this bird moults out it will get darker. This bird is also a Spangle.

 

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo40/RI...earbodyGrey.jpg

 

wouldnt the spangle also influence the markings ?

 

 

Sure does Kaz. The effect will depend on the quality of the Spangle used. As we all know there are some Spangles with such pale markings that if this type were used the TCB markings would almost dissapear and would be extremely difficult to pick up. The Spangle TCB pictured is lucky it was influenced by a well marked Spangle and in this case may well have enhanced the markings more than if it had been a non spnagle only.

Edited September 5, 201014 yr by RIPbudgies

Wow... I've been really impressed and have learned lots from the number of comments about our chick (freckles). Thanks all, especially RIP, no wonder I was struggling with what type it was. I'll be interested to see what comes from the nest this round. The parents are up to 4 eggs now and still going. Even though we only got two chicks first round, we had 4 fertile from 5. With the two unsucessful ones, one died at 2 days old (unsure why?), and the other one I stupidly closed the nest box on the egg, when the cock accidently kicked it, 3 days off hatching (boy did I feel bad!!!, and very out of character for the cock)

well i didnt know all the stuff rip said but i did wonder how it was a rec pied when she was dom and he was clearbody

i was going to call dom pid not rec pied as not many clearbodys are breed from rec breeding so unless the family held the genetic from way back and it poped up which is not intilly imposable i say dom pied is its eyes red as if their not it cant be a clearbody

 

 

GB, TCB do not have red eyes. They are exactly the same as in a Normal.

 

lol and im about to start breeding them :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

looks like i best go read up on my next venture :doh: i dont believe i never realized that im sure mine has red eyes :hmm:

 

oh well sorry for confussing people with very wrong info

mm splat if you read this i also noticed pt conferm i was totally off mark with what i said on your thread too about clearbodys m maybe ill skip the clearbody breeding for now

Edited September 5, 201014 yr by KAZ

Rip - I would say in this bird it is the TCB mixed with the pied gene causing issues in the bird looking recessive to most as it has removed the body markings on the bird that you would normally see.

 

TCB does not remove markings. It alters markings that exist on the bird. At first look it is obvious the bird is pied. Then due to lack of other 'visual markers' it becomes a guessing game as to what else is there. This is were experience with variety combinations comes into it. If the parents of the bird had not been put up I wonder how many on this forum, including myself, would have picked up the different mutations in this bird. As I have already said the pied was obvious and given the fact it is a baby one would have to wait till it is moults for the iris ring to develop, or not. The grizzling effect on the feathers can be the result of a couple of mutations but again unless you are familiar with them and their consequences in action with others one cannot begin to even have a clue. Sometimes some combos are just plan hard to see. Example being Cinnamon Fallows looking almost exactly like Lacewings. There is such a subtle difference that it can be missed almost entirely by anybody, myself and judges included. I have two such birds.

 

 

Remove or alter is just getting technical over words for no reason. The TCB gene is Par-ino which blocks the blue from the bird in some areas of the birds body. A agree to the fact the parents where shown it helped rule out any mutations that could have been brought forth if the baby was shown alone.

Rip - I would say in this bird it is the TCB mixed with the pied gene causing issues in the bird looking recessive to most as it has removed the body markings on the bird that you would normally see.

 

TCB does not remove markings. It alters markings that exist on the bird. At first look it is obvious the bird is pied. Then due to lack of other 'visual markers' it becomes a guessing game as to what else is there. This is were experience with variety combinations comes into it. If the parents of the bird had not been put up I wonder how many on this forum, including myself, would have picked up the different mutations in this bird. As I have already said the pied was obvious and given the fact it is a baby one would have to wait till it is moults for the iris ring to develop, or not. The grizzling effect on the feathers can be the result of a couple of mutations but again unless you are familiar with them and their consequences in action with others one cannot begin to even have a clue. Sometimes some combos are just plan hard to see. Example being Cinnamon Fallows looking almost exactly like Lacewings. There is such a subtle difference that it can be missed almost entirely by anybody, myself and judges included. I have two such birds.

 

 

Remove or alter is just getting technical over words for no reason. The TCB gene is Par-ino which blocks the blue from the bird in some areas of the birds body. A agree to the fact the parents where shown it helped rule out any mutations that could have been brought forth if the baby was shown alone.

 

i actually enjoy learning the finner tech side of things i belive it is important to get corect info as it is true its not removed it is only altered so why not say it how it is the blue is not blocked as such it is just altered as with par ino altered not removed i say tecnical is needed to learn the true understanding of the varierty

but admit i still have

NO CLUE

Rip - I would say in this bird it is the TCB mixed with the pied gene causing issues in the bird looking recessive to most as it has removed the body markings on the bird that you would normally see.

TCB does not remove markings. It alters markings that exist on the bird. At first look it is obvious the bird is pied. Then due to lack of other 'visual markers' it becomes a guessing game as to what else is there. This is were experience with variety combinations comes into it. If the parents of the bird had not been put up I wonder how many on this forum, including myself, would have picked up the different mutations in this bird. As I have already said the pied was obvious and given the fact it is a baby one would have to wait till it is moults for the iris ring to develop, or not. The grizzling effect on the feathers can be the result of a couple of mutations but again unless you are familiar with them and their consequences in action with others one cannot begin to even have a clue. Sometimes some combos are just plan hard to see. Example being Cinnamon Fallows looking almost exactly like Lacewings. There is such a subtle difference that it can be missed almost entirely by anybody, myself and judges included. I have two such birds.

Remove or alter is just getting technical over words for no reason. The TCB gene is Par-ino which blocks the blue from the bird in some areas of the birds body. A agree to the fact the parents where shown it helped rule out any mutations that could have been brought forth if the baby was shown alone.

I will have to disagree with you in regards your statement highlighted above.It is the incorrect usuage of the english language which contributes to misinformation. The words 'remove' and 'alter' in a broad sense appear to have the similar meaning. Placed into a different context however they have very different meanings. The words (remove, alter) choosen would not be considered 'technical' by any means. Grammer also plays a part in getting points across and sadly that is lacking on this forum too as it is elsewhere in life these days. TCB gene is indeed a par-ino but this have nothing to do with blocking blue. There is no blue pigment to block. The Ino gene interupts the function of melanin deposition resulting in yellow or white budgies with pink eyes. TCB being an allele of Ino are a variation of the same dysfunctional gene.

i actually enjoy learning the finner tech side of things i belive it is important to get corect info as it is true its not removed it is only altered so why not say it how it is the blue is not blocked as such it is just altered as with par ino altered not removed i say tecnical is needed to learn the true understanding of the varierty but admit i still have NO CLUE

GB you are a sponge I enjoy our talks and you know more than you think you do. You are always wanting to know more about this wonderful little parrot and I commend you for that.

Edited September 6, 201014 yr by RIPbudgies