Congratulations 7 more fallow pairs down, or just pairs?

 

You need quality splits to help. Are you breeding the recessive kind? I think from conversations we have had, that you are. So if you are, normals are good

s-q all fellows are rec kind

or am i missing something

 

There is also a sex-linked kind :

the English Fallow is a recessive trait while the German Fallow is a sex-linked trait.

 

I can't be sure of this, as their are numerous arguments going on if all the fallow mutations are recessive, if this is sex-linked etc, so don't quote me.

 

Good Luck with your next pairs!

 

im pretty sure we only have english fellows over here

i could be wrong as ive been told never breed german to english or you get dark eyed fellow chicks something to do with the gentics

im clueless about fellows though

Congratulations 7 more fallow pairs down, or just pairs?

 

You need quality splits to help. Are you breeding the recessive kind? I think from conversations we have had, that you are. So if you are, normals are good

s-q all fellows are rec kind

or am i missing something

 

There is also a sex-linked kind :

the English Fallow is a recessive trait while the German Fallow is a sex-linked trait.

 

I can't be sure of this, as their are numerous arguments going on if all the fallow mutations are recessive, if this is sex-linked etc, so don't quote me.

 

Good Luck with your next pairs!

 

im pretty sure we only have english fellows over here

i could be wrong as ive been told never breed german to english or you get dark eyed fellow chicks something to do with the gentics

im clueless about fellows though

 

 

if you put german to english you get a normal bird split both varities. I am not sure what fallows we get here either haha.

Congratulations 7 more fallow pairs down, or just pairs?

 

You need quality splits to help. Are you breeding the recessive kind? I think from conversations we have had, that you are. So if you are, normals are good

s-q all fellows are rec kind

or am i missing something

 

There is also a sex-linked kind :

the English Fallow is a recessive trait while the German Fallow is a sex-linked trait.

 

I can't be sure of this, as their are numerous arguments going on if all the fallow mutations are recessive, if this is sex-linked etc, so don't quote me.

 

Good Luck with your next pairs!

 

im pretty sure we only have english fellows over here

i could be wrong as ive been told never breed german to english or you get dark eyed fellow chicks something to do with the gentics

im clueless about fellows though

 

 

if you put german to english you get a normal bird split both varities. I am not sure what fallows we get here either haha.

you sure about that s-q im not so sure thats true but as i said i not fellow breeder

Have a read of this

http://showbirds.org.nz/articles/Budgeriga...ow_English.html

Have a read of this

http://showbirds.org.nz/articles/Budgeriga...ow_English.html

 

 

That's a good article, Squeak. You beat me to posting! I was looking up a similar article that I read the other day, here's the link: Fallow Article

 

By the way, sex-linked genes ARE recessive, so either way, all of the Fallow mutations are recessive.

That was the one i was looking for Finnie! I read that a couple months ago... hehe.

They are german fallows because they have white iris ring. English fallows have solid red eye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Fallow...erigar_mutation

My fallows are red eyes, so I guess that makes them English.

These red-eyed birds were inspected by C H Rogers, who suspected they might be a new variety and advised Mr Dervan to mate one of his Fallows to a German Fallow to check. This pairing was made in 1938, and from three nests eight black-eyed youngsters were bred, proving the varieties were distinct.

 

In 1940 English Fallows of the Blue series were produced by Mr Dervan, and at that time he had 13 Fallows and 28 split Fallows. W P Bland, writing in the Budgerigar Bulletin in 1962 [7] , said he "... obtained some English Fallows and by 1939 had sixty". It seems unlikely that these birds were from Mr Dervan's strain if the date is correct. There is evidence that Scottish Fallows existed from the 1920s, and were originally called English Fallows, so it seems likely Mr Bland's were of this variety.

 

In the early 1960s C Warner and T G Taylor obtained English Fallows from two different sources, although allegedly from the same breeder. They found they bred only black-eyed young when cross-paired. One type had a faint iris ring while the other was completely devoid of iris pigmentation.

 

Both varieties were distinct from the German Fallow, and they concluded that three distinct forms of Fallow existed at that time. The Fallows with the faint iris ring were good quality exhibition birds and became known as "Moffat" or Scottish Fallows after their owner, Jim Moffat.

 

In 1964 John Papin of California wrote [9] that in America no less than five distinct Fallow varieties existed. These were

 

1. English Fallow, red eye, solid without ring

2. German, red eye with ring

3. Californian, similar to German, red eye with ring

4. Californian, a near solid red eye type with rather fine grey markings

5. Texas, a red eye with strong body colour

 

He said all were recessive and produce normals if intermated.

 

nothing in here about sexlinked fallows

however it does mention the black eyed chicks i was talking about

Edited September 25, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

nothing in here about sexlinked fallows

however it does mention the black eyed chicks i was talking about

 

That was my point, black eyed chicks

 

Sorry for the thread hijck Sunnie Your fallows are gorgeous, no matter what colour

nothing in here about sexlinked fallows

however it does mention the black eyed chicks i was talking about

 

That was my point, black eyed chicks

 

Sorry for the thread hijck Sunnie Your fallows are gorgeous, no matter what colour

 

 

no you were saying their sex linked

their are not

Pair no #1: Now not a pair, but single mother now has four chicks. The two oldest have been fostered. I wish I could have let them go a second round with this sort of fertility......

Pair no #1: Now not a pair, but single mother now has four chicks. The two oldest have been fostered. I wish I could have let them go a second round with this sort of fertility......

 

4 chicks! That is good fertility. How are the other nests lookin?

The split to fallow pair have one chick so far still. The split to split pair are sitting on four eggs with one looking fertile. The blue cock to fallow hen should be due any time, but havent hatched anything yet. Another 3 pairs I put down, not fallows, at the same time all have chicks as well.

In the unpredictable world of budgies: I now am not sure that the hen attacked my fallow cock, or that he suffered stress moult in the breeding cabinet. He seems to be pinning badly, and missing feathers around his cere. He is in the nursery aviary and I suppose that he should be in recovery if he is moulting anyway. Mum is feeding her two babies, I am keeping an eye on them. The two oldest foster babies are looking strong and healthy in their foster care. My dilemma of course is - do I re-pair him with her split sister and start again with him, or foster out the other two babies and reintroduce him back to the fallow hen (carefully of course) to see if they can give my another round of fallows. Would love comments on this.

 

Pair 2: Still sitting on 6 eggs, 3 look fertile. Of course all will be split, but they should hopefully be quality splits.

 

Pair 3: Second baby hatched today - both split babies

In the unpredictable world of budgies: I now am not sure that the hen attacked my fallow cock, or that he suffered stress moult in the breeding cabinet. He seems to be pinning badly, and missing feathers around his cere. He is in the nursery aviary and I suppose that he should be in recovery if he is moulting anyway. Mum is feeding her two babies, I am keeping an eye on them. The two oldest foster babies are looking strong and healthy in their foster care. My dilemma of course is - do I re-pair him with her split sister and start again with him, or foster out the other two babies and reintroduce him back to the fallow hen (carefully of course) to see if they can give my another round of fallows. Would love comments on this.

 

Pair 2: Still sitting on 6 eggs, 3 look fertile. Of course all will be split, but they should hopefully be quality splits.

 

Pair 3: Second baby hatched today - both split babies

 

can we see a new picture of him please

 

is his cere a tad dis coloured

he may just come out of condition'

you may of just caught him at last of his peek condition

and he could have gone off in time chicks hatched

 

id let her raise chicks and let him fly a bit

then re introduce him to fallow hen

this way you can be sure hes perfectly well he should come in again with your hen as here clutch leaves having only two chicks also she should be okay for a second round

 

but in saying this you know your birds best

but cere picture could let us tell you more what we think

gb

Hard to tell from his cere I think, being fallow, but I have decided he is definitely going through a moult. Should I put him back with her in a couple of weeks when her chicks are about fledged?

He seems to be going through a hard moult. Maybe some time alone for him may be best.

Thanks Kaz. Well he is in the nursery aviary at the moment. Maybe he will be feeling better in a couple of weeks and can go back with his hen. I hope so, but I guess time will tell.

Ouch! I wouldn't want to be him. I would make sure he is getting lots of energy snacks for the extra effort. Once he is done I would repair him, were him and the hen really bonded? If you put him back in and it wasn't strong she may see him as a strange bird and attack him?

He is out in the aviary, he hasnt really done much more work than fertilise the eggs, the hen is bring up 2 chicks the other 2 are fostered. I am aware of the dangers of introducing him back to his hen, which is why I will wait until her chicks are ready to fledge before I even try and even then it will be on a day I can observe to see how they go.

Fallow baby #1 has been rung. First baby for the season with the pretty purple rings.

Will take pics soon.

I dont know why I cant get my camera to do what I want it to do, maybe it's time for a "camera for dummies" so my pics are not very good unfortunately, but here they are all the same.

I have done some moving around of babies so size matches and so that the fallow hen from pair one is only raising the two on her own. As soon as those two are old enough for rings, I will be resting her for a few days and carefully reintroducing her cock back to her. He is looking much better already and I am going to put him back in for a second round, where he can actually help raise his chicks.

 

Youngest baby with split foster baby. The foster is in there to even sizes out as he was a bit smaller than his siblings. The 2nd oldest fallow is in his nest with the other split fallow baby.

 

Next oldest baby fostered with split (the splits are from pair 3). These two wouldnt stay still for photos! (well thats my excuse for the shocking quality - sorry)

 

And the oldest two, also fostered out. Seems that hen may be down plucking, so I will keep an eye on her, but other than that, she is stuffing all the babies full and is very attentive. I havent bred with her before. Side note - she is a grey green dom pied spangle I bought at auction, hoping to get dom pieds. She laid four eggs, all looked fertile but only one hatched. What are the chances it could be dom pied (I'm thinking pretty slim) but it is! Now Im just hoping its blue series lol

Anyway, the oldest fallow babies.

 

Pair two had a baby pipping in its egg yesterday, but today I found it dead I have given them the youngest split baby to rear and they still have two eggs that could possibly be viable. Even if I get nothing from them this round, I know there is fertility, so I will let them go a second round.

 

Pair three have had three split babies, no fallows.

 

Pair four are still not due to hatch but look to have three fertile eggs.

Gorgeous! I love them all. Red-eyed babies are so cute. They look healthy! Hehe, gotta love the purple rings

Beautiful fallow pinkies Looking forward to seeing them feather up.