Here is my plan for the fallows:

I have two split fallow birds at the moment, both pet-type though the come from show stock. So they are really just very poor show birds. The first pairing will start in early Autumn/ late summer. Or maybe at the end of this year.

 

Violet/Fallow Cock X Opaline Blue/Fallow Hen (my two birds I have right now)

25% Normal

25% Fallow

50% Normal/Fallow

Keep the visuals from this pairing, I may need to let them go for two rounds.

 

Pair the visual hens to my best cocks :

I have a light green cock looking very very nice (this is an older picture):

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd279/S...le/RIMG0037.jpg

 

Grey green cock on end MAYBE and grey cock definitely, I have two greys I want to put in, one from Flanagan parents:

 

Cinnamon cock maybe into fallows, he is one of my best cocks:

 

From these birds I will get ALL Normals/Fallow. I will probably cull the cocks, maybe keep some for later on. I will then put the hens back to their uncles (the cocks kept from original pairing) And I will get:

50% Fallows

50% Normal/Fallows

 

From their I will just keep on with the splits and visuals, hopefully building the birds up. It will be hard work going from pet-types to show bench , but I am going to approach the challenge with a positive mind. I am really hoping to get some split fallows and visuals in from somewere else, as I am fearing I will inbreed a bit. Fallows are reasonably rare though.

 

Cinnamon Hen to the light green cock above, keep normal hens for fallow pairings:

 

So hopefully, I will put the normal green cock down with the cinnamon to get some normal hens, this will also get some more genes in for the original visual fallows. I will have my visual fallows, the normals hens and the normal cocks ready to breed in 2011 season.

 

Year 1 (2011 season)

Pairing 1's:Visual Fallows X Normal Hens (from cin. pairing) and other good hens = 100% Normal/ Fallow

Pairing 2's: Visual Fallow Hens X Best cocks = 100% Normal/Fallow

 

Year 2 (2012 season)

Pairing 1's Cocks X Visual Hens from original pair ( nephew to auntie) = 50% Fallow 50% Normal/Fallow

Pairing 2's Hens X Visual Fallows from original pair (neice to uncle) = " "

 

From there I will try and get as many splits and visuals in, someone in the club is in there second year, so hopefully by then I can get some birds of them.

 

What to you guys think, and do you think I will be inbreeding to much? (linebreeding or inbreeding, whatever you wish to call it)

I hope I made sense by the way :fear

Edited August 22, 201015 yr by KAZ

The only problem with breeding with recessives ( I am not sure if they are autosomal recessive) you really need to keep them seperate from your other birds. Meaning a new line.

Well my opinion any way. Like this year I am now having ago at clearbodies and all these clearbodies and splits I keep I need to keep only for my clearbodies. So a new line.

i was going to have a go at lacewings but I decided to concentrate on my normals and spangles. So I sold my lacewing . As a beginner and just going up to intermediate I need to learn to walk before I run.

When I first started with my birds I had normals, inos, danish pieds, dom pieds, spangles and what ever I could get my hands on that I thought was pretty.

But I soon learnt and plus advice from more experienced breeders, was to start with normals and learn from them and as you progress then get into the lesser varieties because the experience breeders told me the the lesser varieties are much harder to breed.

I believe from listening to them and focusing on the normals and spangles of course I have done very well at the shows. I have the base of a good stud now. But with plenty of room for improvement.

Even now having a go with clearbodies and inos I have still being advised to stick with my normals and spangles for a couple more years.

 

But saying all this which I am not even sure why I wrote it but I did good luck with your fallow breeding. :fear

The only problem with breeding with recessives ( I am not sure if they are autosomal recessive) you really need to keep them seperate from your other birds. Meaning a new line.

Well my opinion any way. Like this year I am now having ago at clearbodies and all these clearbodies and splits I keep I need to keep only for my clearbodies. So a new line.

i was going to have a go at lacewings but I decided to concentrate on my normals and spangles. So I sold my lacewing . As a beginner and just going up to intermediate I need to learn to walk before I run.

When I first started with my birds I had normals, inos, danish pieds, dom pieds, spangles and what ever I could get my hands on that I thought was pretty.

But I soon learnt and plus advice from more experienced breeders, was to start with normals and learn from them and as you progress then get into the lesser varieties because the experience breeders told me the the lesser varieties are much harder to breed.

I believe from listening to them and focusing on the normals and spangles of course I have done very well at the shows. I have the base of a good stud now. But with plenty of room for improvement.

Even now having a go with clearbodies and inos I have still being advised to stick with my normals and spangles for a couple more years.

 

But saying all this which I am not even sure why I wrote it but I did good luck with your fallow breeding. :fear

 

Yup, I will keep a seperate line. The only reason I am having cinnamon's in is because when I first started, I just wanted to breed cinnamons. I think that is one of my biggest stuff ups, because people in my club were very generous, and gave me cinnamon birds that were VERY nice, not cull birds, proper one's they were going to use.

 

I got the most stunning pair of cinnamon opalines, the cock pictured below. I got a grey-green cin. opaline hen, and she is by far better then some of my COCK birds in the aviary. I am trying to cull out my cinnamons for fallows and clearbodies, but I can't bear to get rid of some of the cinnamons, so I have decided to breed YF Blue as well, and cinnamons can go into that

 

I have only recently started collecting the normals, I am happy with my collection of normals.

Normals are very important in a breed programe and yes cinnamon and opaline can take over as can spangles. But saying that cinnamon and opaline are very important to a breed programe. Opaline improves spots and size and cinnamon improves feather (I think) someone can fix me on this as my brain is a bit dead at the moment.

I would think to improve any variety you would put your best normal to an a lesser variety . So squeak you will have to work on breeding some good normals and look at for some from members.

Good luck

Edited August 22, 201014 yr by splat

From a fellow fallow breeder, can I advise AGAINST using cinnamon if at all possible. The wastage is very big especially if you use cinnamon cock birds. I have found it very frustrating!

I may try one pair, he is the loveliest cock I have, Why is it bad to put cinnamon in? Is it possible to get cinnamon fallows? (aren't they already?)

if your breeding pet no one cares put what you want in

 

but if breeding for show

i would go right away from cinnamon in fellows

if your breeding pet no one cares put what you want in

 

but if breeding for show

i would go right away from cinnamon in fellows

 

I'm not breeding pet?

 

Why is cinnamon bad for fallows?

There are some mutations you dont want cinnamon mixed through

Of those

GREYWING

CLEARWING

TEXAS CLEARBODIES

FALLOWS

 

are just some of them.

 

Because in those varieties wing markings, and body and tail colour is IMPORTANT mixing cinnamon into it mucks all that up.

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by KAZ

i know if i was breeding fallows

i would never buy a bird split cin or cin for my line or would i buy a fallow breed from a cinnamon

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by KAZ

Normals are very important in a breed programe and yes cinnamon and opaline can take over as can spangles. But saying that cinnamon and opaline are very important to a breed programe. Opaline improves spots and size and cinnamon improves feather (I think) someone can fix me on this as my brain is a bit dead at the moment.

I would think to improve any variety you would put your best normal to an a lesser variety . So squeak you will have to work on breeding some good normals and look at for some from members.

Good luck

 

Sorry when I said the above , I didn't mean to cinnamon fallow, i just meant in general that cinnamon and opaline are important .

 

But I do not know much about fallows but from what i do know is Kaz and Nubbly and GB are all right, you DO NOT PUT CINNAMON TO FALLOW.

 

My advice Squeak is to google what ever you can find on fallows and I am sure you will get the right advice. Key words research.

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by KAZ

No real need to google to research fallows as we have many experts on here. Nubbly stepped and and she breeds fallow for show. She should know.

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by KAZ

Normals are very important in a breed programe and yes cinnamon and opaline can take over as can spangles. But saying that cinnamon and opaline are very important to a breed programe. Opaline improves spots and size and cinnamon improves feather (I think) someone can fix me on this as my brain is a bit dead at the moment.

I would think to improve any variety you would put your best normal to an a lesser variety . So squeak you will have to work on breeding some good normals and look at for some from members.

Good luck

 

Sorry when I said the above , I didn't mean to cinnamon fallow, i just meant in general that cinnamon and opaline are important .

 

But I do not know much about fallows but from what i do know is Kaz and Nubbly and GB are all right, you DO NOT PUT CINNAMON TO FALLOW.

 

My advice Squeak is to google what ever you can find on fallows and I am sure you will get the right advice. Key words research.

Trust me, cinnamon takes up most of my flock it was the worst mutation to get into, coz I went crazy buying stock birds and breeders.

Why can I not put cinnamon to fallow?

 

 

No real need to google to research fallows as we have many experts on here. Nubbly stepped and and she breeds fallow for show. She should know.

 

I can't find much on here, I tried but next to nothing comes up

No real need to google to research fallows as we have many experts on here. Nubbly stepped and and she breeds fallow for show. She should know.

 

I can't find much on here, I tried but next to nothing comes up

NUBBLY breeds fallows for show............she knows as I have said already. That why she posted in your topic. Thats why the suggestion about not using cinnamons.

 

PS Nubbly is also a JUDGE of budgerigars at shows.

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by KAZ

also here read this

http://web.archive.org/web/20080330172639/...dgies/news1.htm

 

here this i meant specifically

http://web.archive.org/web/20080328232815/...et/fallows1.htm

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

There are some mutations you dont want cinnamon mixed through

Of those

GREYWING

CLEARWING

TEXAS CLEARBODIES

FALLOWS

 

are just some of them.

 

Because in those varieties wing markings, and body and tail colour is IMPORTANT mixing cinnamon into it mucks all that up.

 

Sorry, Didn't see this post. I think I understand now. Cinnamon Dilutes, and in Fallow, it would diulte to much?

 

also here read this

http://web.archive.org/web/20080330172639/...dgies/news1.htm

 

here this i meant specifically

http://web.archive.org/web/20080328232815/...et/fallows1.htm

 

Thanks GB, I have read them both and earned some more knowledge

No real need to google to research fallows as we have many experts on here. Nubbly stepped and and she breeds fallow for show. She should know.

I can't find much on here, I tried but next to nothing comes up

NUBBLY breeds fallows for show............she knows as I have said already. That why she posted in your topic. Thats why the suggestion about not using cinnamons.PS Nubbly is also a JUDGE of budgerigars at shows.

There are some mutations you dont want cinnamon mixed throughOf those GREYWINGCLEARWINGTEXAS CLEARBODIESFALLOWSare just some of them.Because in those varieties wing markings, and body and tail colour is IMPORTANT mixing cinnamon into it mucks all that up.

Sorry, Didn't see this post. I think I understand now. Cinnamon Dilutes, and in Fallow, it would diulte to much?

Its also about markings

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by KAZ

use grey normal you dont want to breed opaline fellows either to start with

as thumb print problem can b a pain

Assuming the normal cocks arent already split for opaline or cinnamon too.

Assuming the normal cocks arent already split for opaline or cinnamon too.

 

yes why we beginners are told to stick to normals

no other reason bar

as if you dont know the back ground of your birds you cant breed a line straight forward to plan with out things popping up

even if you breed your own normals these is a chance of something recessive popping up

but less a issue if only once rather than lots

Edited August 23, 201014 yr by KAZ

Good luck finding Normals, Their Rarer than a single in a singles Thread.

Good luck finding Normals, Their Rarer than a single in a singles Thread.

lol pmsl

im single

Cinnamon fallows look almost EXACTLY like lacewings (you would have to be really good to spot the difference if you didn't know) and cannot be shown (not an allowable combination according to the standard).

 

IF you do feel the absolute need to use cinnamon then try and stick to hens as at least that way you know that all cocks will be split and all normal hens will be cinnamon free (my advise here is to quit the cocks and keep the normal hens). In fact using normal cocks can be a bit tricky too as you never know if they are split for cinnamon.

 

If you use a cinnamon cock you will have an incredible amount of wastage and be back tracking constantly as all hens will be cinnamon and all cocks split so then when you go to use the cocks 1/2 their baby cocks will also be split cinnamon, just you won't know which ones they are........ It's an absolute pain in the bottom, speaking from experience!

 

Go for your life with opaline as at this stage a thumb print on the wing is WAY better than pumping out cinnamon fallows and at least opaline fallow is an allowable combination. I have seen some tremendous opaline fallows too one of which I remember won the fallow class at the Nationals that was just stunning!

Cinnamon fallows look almost EXACTLY like lacewings (you would have to be really good to spot the difference if you didn't know) and cannot be shown (not an allowable combination according to the standard).

 

IF you do feel the absolute need to use cinnamon then try and stick to hens as at least that way you know that all cocks will be split and all normal hens will be cinnamon free (my advise here is to quit the cocks and keep the normal hens). In fact using normal cocks can be a bit tricky too as you never know if they are split for cinnamon.

 

If you use a cinnamon cock you will have an incredible amount of wastage and be back tracking constantly as all hens will be cinnamon and all cocks split so then when you go to use the cocks 1/2 their baby cocks will also be split cinnamon, just you won't know which ones they are........ It's an absolute pain in the bottom, speaking from experience!

 

Go for your life with opaline as at this stage a thumb print on the wing is WAY better than pumping out cinnamon fallows and at least opaline fallow is an allowable combination. I have seen some tremendous opaline fallows too one of which I remember won the fallow class at the Nationals that was just stunning!

 

 

yes opaline fellows nice but was just saying for a beginner normal fellow better

your advice here is her best solution i feel

good job nub

Cinnamon fallows look almost EXACTLY like lacewings (you would have to be really good to spot the difference if you didn't know) and cannot be shown (not an allowable combination according to the standard).

 

IF you do feel the absolute need to use cinnamon then try and stick to hens as at least that way you know that all cocks will be split and all normal hens will be cinnamon free (my advise here is to quit the cocks and keep the normal hens). In fact using normal cocks can be a bit tricky too as you never know if they are split for cinnamon.

 

If you use a cinnamon cock you will have an incredible amount of wastage and be back tracking constantly as all hens will be cinnamon and all cocks split so then when you go to use the cocks 1/2 their baby cocks will also be split cinnamon, just you won't know which ones they are........ It's an absolute pain in the bottom, speaking from experience!

 

Go for your life with opaline as at this stage a thumb print on the wing is WAY better than pumping out cinnamon fallows and at least opaline fallow is an allowable combination. I have seen some tremendous opaline fallows too one of which I remember won the fallow class at the Nationals that was just stunning!

 

 

GOOD ADVICE Nubbly,,,,,,,

 

 

and we didnt even have to GOOGLE you