Opinions on these chicks are greatly appreciated

 

These are the parents: Skyblue normal X Goldenface(sf) skyblue violet opaline

 

They had a clutch of 6 chicks, 2 skyblue normals, 2 goldenface(sf) skyblue violet normals and these two:

 

Chick 3

 

 

Chick 6

 

 

Goldenface(sf) skyblue violet greywings. Are they just greywings or full body color Greywings?

 

The window lighting washed out the color of chick 3 just a little bit

 

What do you think?

Look like well coloured gf greywings. Full body colour greywings are greywing split for clearwing (technically!). These are just greywings with good strong body colour.

 

I wouldn't say violet though. And gee the yellow is very light......... would need to wait until they have adult plumage to say gf or yf1 (there is a possibility that the sky is a df yf1).

Look like well coloured gf greywings. Full body colour greywings are greywing split for clearwing (technically!). These are just greywings with good strong body colour.

 

I wouldn't say violet though. And gee the yellow is very light......... would need to wait until they have adult plumage to say gf or yf1 (there is a possibility that the sky is a df yf1).

 

Thanks for the response

 

The reason I say they are goldenfaces is because the hen is a single factor goldenface, and I'm pretty sure of that. Violets because both parents are skyblues, and these two are definitely not skyblues so they must be skyviolets, I did suspect the hen to be a skyviolet as well but wasn't too sure until now. They yellow does seem a bit light on those pictures, and as usual I couldn't quite capture the violet.

 

Here they are compared to one of the skyblues:

 

Chick 3

 

 

 

Skyblue normal from the same clutch

 

 

Just a thought that didn't occur to me, the violet could be making the body color stronger on the greywings?

Edited August 6, 201014 yr by Cory

Look like well coloured gf greywings. Full body colour greywings are greywing split for clearwing (technically!). These are just greywings with good strong body colour.

 

I wouldn't say violet though. And gee the yellow is very light......... would need to wait until they have adult plumage to say gf or yf1 (there is a possibility that the sky is a df yf1).

 

Thanks for the response

 

The reason I say they are goldenfaces is because the hen is a single factor goldenface, and I'm pretty sure of that. Violets because both parents are skyblues, and these two are definitely not skyblues so they must be skyviolets, I did suspect the hen to be a skyviolet as well but wasn't too sure until now. They yellow does seem a bit light on those pictures, and as usual I couldn't quite capture the violet.

 

Well the violet has to come from somewhere and to be honest neither parent looks violet to me, nor do the chicks. More likely that the hen is actually a cobalt rather than a skyblue (diagnosis complicated by the strong gf suffusion) and the chicks are cobalt, hard to tell with the last one though. Remember that greywing also affects the depth of body colour even if it's a well coloured greywing (lightens it), so comparing to a normal is not really helpful.

I agree that the hen is a sf gf but that doesn't stop the cock bird being a df yf1 (which shows as a white face) but yes sf gf is more likely considering the visual qualities of the parents, it's only that the yellow on the chicks is lighter than I'd expect for a gf. Really have to wait until they gain their adult plummage before being able to say for sure. OR you can mate the cock to a known normal blue to see - all chicks would be sf yf1. BUT looking at the tail feathers THEY are quite yellow so maybe the gf is the more appropriate choice.

 

Here they are compared to one of the skyblues:

 

Chick 3

 

 

 

Skyblue normal from the same clutch

 

 

Just a thought that didn't occur to me, the violet could be making the body color stronger on the greywings?

Well the violet has to come from somewhere and to be honest neither parent looks violet to me, nor do the chicks. More likely that the hen is actually a cobalt rather than a skyblue (diagnosis complicated by the strong gf suffusion) and the chicks are cobalt, hard to tell with the last one though. Remember that greywing also affects the depth of body colour even if it's a well coloured greywing (lightens it), so comparing to a normal is not really helpful.

I agree that the hen is a sf gf but that doesn't stop the cock bird being a df yf1 (which shows as a white face) but yes sf gf is more likely considering the visual qualities of the parents, it's only that the yellow on the chicks is lighter than I'd expect for a gf. Really have to wait until they gain their adult plummage before being able to say for sure. OR you can mate the cock to a known normal blue to see - all chicks would be sf yf1. BUT looking at the tail feathers THEY are quite yellow so maybe the gf is the more appropriate choice.

 

So goldenface cobalt greywings then?

 

 

So this chick is a cobalt as well?

 

Chick 1 from same clutch

 

 

Thanks again for taking the time to respond, just want to get the mutations right

Looks like it but remember it's kinda hard to get it all 100% right from computer so I just add that caution! What does she look like compared to your skys?

 

And I just read your breeding thread and you are 100% right about the fact that one parent could be split greywing and one split clearwing giving full body colour greywings....... but it would take a lot of test mating to see for sure.

Looks like it but remember it's kinda hard to get it all 100% right from computer so I just add that caution! What does she look like compared to your skys?

 

Well I've seen cobalts and she doesn't look like a cobalt to me. I know the monitor as well as the camera can capture the color in a different way than it actually is. To me the chicks do look violet, the best way I can describe it, is when I look at them they seem to have a glow about them if that makes sense? They seem a darker blue than skyblue but with a purpley tinge? I know the only visual violets are cobalt violets and with skyblues the violet only darkens it so that would make sense. They do have purple patches as well, not clearly visible in the pictures.

 

And I just read your breeding thread and you are 100% right about the fact that one parent could be split greywing and one split clearwing giving full body colour greywings....... but it would take a lot of test mating to see for sure.

 

Oh yes that would be a lot of work! and it would be extremely lucky that I had a split greywing and a split clearwing without knowing and that they ended up paired don't you think?

 

I know nothing over the computer is 100% sure, and I also know that I will probably go with my instincts when I write down their mutations but I always like to hear the opinions from the experts as well

 

Thanks again!

 

Looks like it but remember it's kinda hard to get it all 100% right from computer so I just add that caution! What does she look like compared to your skys?

 

Well I've seen cobalts and she doesn't look like a cobalt to me. I know the monitor as well as the camera can capture the color in a different way than it actually is. To me the chicks do look violet, the best way I can describe it, is when I look at them they seem to have a glow about them if that makes sense? They seem a darker blue than skyblue but with a purpley tinge? I know the only visual violets are cobalt violets and with skyblues the violet only darkens it so that would make sense. They do have purple patches as well, not clearly visible in the pictures.

Don't forget that babies have less vibrant and less deep body colour to adults. The colour develops as they moult out into adult plummage so a baby cobalt (especially a greywing that is always at least just slightly diluted compared to normals) will look less intensely coloured than an adult cobalt. You may well be right about the violet but they really don't look violet from here - nor do the parents in their adult plummage. The other reason that I say cobalt rather than sky violet is that sky's don't have that patchy look where as cobalts tend to. Having said that it's still entirely possible that the violet is not showing up here and baby plummage makes it harder too.

 

And I just read your breeding thread and you are 100% right about the fact that one parent could be split greywing and one split clearwing giving full body colour greywings....... but it would take a lot of test mating to see for sure.

 

Oh yes that would be a lot of work! and it would be extremely lucky that I had a split greywing and a split clearwing without knowing and that they ended up paired don't you think?

 

I know nothing over the computer is 100% sure, and I also know that I will probably go with my instincts when I write down their mutations but I always like to hear the opinions from the experts as well

 

Thanks again!

 

the fact there is a white faced baby in this clutch means the cock isn't a df yf1.

the fact there is a white faced baby in this clutch means the cock isn't a df yf1.

 

 

Oh, because then it would be a single factor yf1 on the dad's side, and something from the mom on the other side, and either way, it would be yellow face! I get it now.

 

But wait, what if the hen was a golden face, split to yf1? Then the baby could get a white face. But would a gf/yf1 look different to how she looks, would we be able to tell it visually? (Time to go back and review the Great YF Symposium.)

But wait, what if the hen was a golden face, split to yf1? Then the baby could get a white face. But would a gf/yf1 look different to how she looks, would we be able to tell it visually? (Time to go back and review the Great YF Symposium.)

 

the two gene would lessen the yellow bleed into the body colour, usually making a patchy look. She looks like a normal gf.