Hi all

I recently put my boxes in for my 3 pairs and a spare male pet-type aviary. Two hens haven't bred before (black rings) and the other pair hatched 11 chicks out last time. They raised 7, the others fostered.

 

My pairs are:

Grey Spangle X Yellow Face DF Spangle cock. (the ones that had 11 chicks) I am confused how it occured, but 4 of the chicks were cinnamon spangles. I know the cocks parentage and their is no cinnamon, so I don't know how it occured???

 

Violet Cock /Fallow X Cin. Blue Rec. Pied Hen ( I am expecting violet/blue pied's and cinnamon chicks?)

 

Blue Opaline Hen /Fallow X YF Blue Spangle Opaline. (YF Blue Opaline Spangles? The cock is father to the DF Spangle above, with a different hen.)

 

I put the nest's in on the weekend. So far, the rec. pied hen has been nesting, and the grey spangle isn't far behind.

 

Some pictures: (sorry for bad quality, I am shaky coz I have been sick)

(He didn't want a picture He preffered flirting )

Working out expectations and percentages for breeding pairs in a colony breeding situation is maybe expecting a little too much re fidelity of the birds in there. You may well have surprises you didnt count on

Working out expectations and percentages for breeding pairs in a colony breeding situation is maybe expecting a little too much re fidelity of the birds in there. You may well have surprises you didnt count on

 

 

yes you could end up with fertile eggs from one cock to all hens.... or all cocks to all hens

and never knowing really whos who

 

 

i think you didnt understand how you cock produce Cinnamon when his Peron were not cin

 

it is possible his dad was split but no cinn chicks were hatched yet he got the gene passed on its a 25 percent pass on rate

What I don't understand is, there were only two pairs breeding. The first pair was the parents of the DF Spangle, and the other pair was the DF Spangle and Spangle Grey. I know the spangles grey's parents were a spangle blue and a normal grey hen.

 

There was also a single hen in there, an opaline grey hen. But here parents were a normal blue hen and a grey-wing grey cock.

 

The DF Spangles parents were:

 

YF Blue Opaline Spangle-

Father: YF Blue Opaline Spangle (His father was a YF Blue Spangle, mother unknown)

Mother: Opaline Violet Spangle ( Mother was a violet spangle, father unkown)

 

Does that make sense? Could the cinnamon come through still?

Cinnamon is hidden in cocks..............so yes, it can be hidden and come out here and there and not all clutches will be the same as expectations are over many clutches not just one at a time.

So if my YF Sky Blue Opaline Spangle Cock is split cinnamon, with a 25% chance, after numerous clucthes, it should have come out? I bred them quite alot, would have at least got 20 chicks from them. Mostly DF Spangles, Some Opaline Blues Maybe some opaline violet/blues....

So if my YF Sky Blue Opaline Spangle Cock is split cinnamon, with a 25% chance, after numerous clucthes, it should have come out? I bred them quite alot, would have at least got 20 chicks from them. Mostly DF Spangles, Some Opaline Blues Maybe some opaline violet/blues....

Remember DF spangles can hide any other mutation including cinnamon

So if my YF Sky Blue Opaline Spangle Cock is split cinnamon, with a 25% chance, after numerous clucthes, it should have come out? I bred them quite alot, would have at least got 20 chicks from them. Mostly DF Spangles, Some Opaline Blues Maybe some opaline violet/blues....

Remember DF spangles can hide any other mutation including cinnamon

But if the YF Blue cock bird (father of DF Spangle) is split for it, wouldn't him and his previous partner would have produced some cinnamon chicks? Would I be able to tell if he is split cinnamon by putting him to a split fallow hen?Just looking now, is it possible the cock is a visual cinnamon?

So if my YF Sky Blue Opaline Spangle Cock is split cinnamon, with a 25% chance, after numerous clucthes, it should have come out? I bred them quite alot, would have at least got 20 chicks from them. Mostly DF Spangles, Some Opaline Blues Maybe some opaline violet/blues....

Remember DF spangles can hide any other mutation including cinnamon

But if the YF Blue cock bird (father of DF Spangle) is split for it, wouldn't him and his previous partner would have produced some cinnamon chicks? Would I be able to tell if he is split cinnamon by putting him to a split fallow hen?Just looking now, is it possible the cock is a visual cinnamon?

 

 

no put him to a normal hen but by himself

and her only not a spangle hen

normal

 

or a cinnamon hen and if all hens and cocks are normal for at least 4 clutches you could safely amuse hes not split or cinnamon as if with a cin hen (saying hes visual cin ) he would produce only cinnamon chicks

if split with a cin cin hens and cocks can be expected

normals are not counted out though

if only normals does not mean he isnt mabe just genetics hiding away

its based on 100 chick the whole gene thing

thats alot of chicks to breed to find out if split something or not

if only pets its not really a big issue unless your trying to breed something specific that you dont want cinnamon in

like fellow

Edited August 3, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

Sorry for the ages long reply, need an update.

 

Opaline blue hen was being a twerp, her and Willow (spangle grey) got in a fight. The opaline had a bad foot from a split ring gone wrong, and Willow opened it again. Not major, a little blood on perch. The hen and her partner were taken out for a bit, and I put them back in yesterday. I had to expect it sometime, but all seems good now and there has been no more fighting. Willow isn't heeps worried, because she is nesting now

Marble (rec. pied cinnamon) and Willow both have 3 eggs each. Just waiting on the opaline hen, she laid one egg in the flight cage she was in, hoping they will start up again.

You will have more dramas before you end up with successful clutches or fledged chicks. I dont know why you are colony breeding when you should know better

I don't mean to be rude, but I have been doing this for 3 years now without anything major happening, really the only reason the hen was hurt was because her foot was already injured where a split ring cut into her skin. No dramas here, and really, when you say "you should know better" that is kinda wrong, because, nothing is wrong with colony breeding as long as you have the right birds, the right conditions etc. it is a functioning system.

Won't let me edit so, what I meant to say was:

 

I don't mean to be rude, but I have been doing this for 3 years now without anything major happening, really the only reason the hen was hurt was because her foot was already injured where a split ring cut into her skin. No dramas here, and really, when you say "you should know better" that is correct, because, nothing is wrong with colony breeding as long as you have the right birds, the right conditions etc. it can be a functioning system. Some people just have a stereotype, or things that are meant to happen veiw, when some people haven't even tried it themselves. Not aiming the last bit at you kaz.

Some people just have a stereotype, or things that are meant to happen veiw, when some people haven't even tried it themselves. Not aiming the last bit at you kaz.

 

Kaz started out with pet type birds and colony breeding. If I speak about the negatives of colony breeding it is because I have experienced it all.

Edited August 17, 201014 yr by KAZ

okay, Thanks Kaz. I did mention the last bit wasn't at you, but I didn't know you did colony breeding to start with There are some negatives, but I enjoy the positives also :hi:

personally i think colony breeding is just a lazy way to breed birds

the chicks dont get cleaned feet or beaks and mum n dad have to do everything and deal with the fear of night intruders of their nest exectra

chicks are less healthy as Peronts are to busy trying to keep watch of them so feed less regularly

i breed my pets as i do my show birds

i have done it this way always even as child

once i did three in a cage and the rezult even though birds were happy to be sharing the area supplyed

chicks were no were near as good big healthy or strong as when separately breed as they were feed less due to keeping nests safe

paranoid, instinct call it what you will

i think that

results are always going to be not as good as caged separate pairs

 

but thats me as i said before lazy mans way of breeding pet birds and nothing beneficial to the pairs i can think of just stress

colony in wild is so different than in flight unless your aviary is massive it should not be done in my veiw

Without getting into a debate over colony breeding vs caged in a breeding journal, I find that unless your breeding for show, it doesn't really matter about big birds or selectve breeding. I mean sure, you want happy helathy birds, but I am satisfied with the results I get, and the only time I cage breed the birds is if I want a specific pair to go together. I will be trying the opaline hen with the violet cock, to get violet fallows. That is just because I think they are pretty, and I MAY introduce it to my show stock, as both birds are poor show birds, but I love fallows. Also, the chicks do get cleaned and nests are as clean as they should be. They get the same handling and treatment as my other birds.

 

I have tried a pair in the aviary, and out, and I find I get the same results really. I also dont have the spare cages, I only have 4 breeding cages, and they are used for show birds. I just breed the pet types every once in a while, and I suppose if I had a spare cage I would put the in. Where show budgies are more of a serious hobbies, I just love the unpredictable and beautiful little budgies, for purley my own enjoyment. Not to mention playful and cute

Edited August 18, 201014 yr by Squeak_Crumble

I think it is your choice how you choose to breed, I know a few people who colony breed as they only do it for their own enjoyment. They have great success too.

Best of luck to you S_C and I'm looking forward to seeing your breeding results.

Thankyou rachelm and splat.

personally i think colony breeding is just a lazy way to breed birds

the chicks dont get cleaned feet or beaks and mum n dad have to do everything and deal with the fear of night intruders of their nest exectra

chicks are less healthy as Peronts are to busy trying to keep watch of them so feed less regularly

i breed my pets as i do my show birds

i have done it this way always even as child

once i did three in a cage and the rezult even though birds were happy to be sharing the area supplyed

chicks were no were near as good big healthy or strong as when separately breed as they were feed less due to keeping nests safe

paranoid, instinct call it what you will

i think that

results are always going to be not as good as caged separate pairs

 

but thats me as i said before lazy mans way of breeding pet birds and nothing beneficial to the pairs i can think of just stress

colony in wild is so different than in flight unless your aviary is massive it should not be done in my veiw

 

I dissagree with this as Greg's dad has several of my birds and he has bred some rippers in colony breeding. They are big birds like mine some even bigger, if he had my rings on them I could show them and have a good chance of winning that's how good they are. He has bred a light green cock that I would die for. but he won't part with him.

His aviary is only about 3 feet wide and 6 foot long if that. He only has a few birds in there. But he is breeding great.

Edited August 18, 201014 yr by splat

personally i think colony breeding is just a lazy way to breed birds

the chicks dont get cleaned feet or beaks and mum n dad have to do everything and deal with the fear of night intruders of their nest exectra

chicks are less healthy as Peronts are to busy trying to keep watch of them so feed less regularly

i breed my pets as i do my show birds

i have done it this way always even as child

once i did three in a cage and the rezult even though birds were happy to be sharing the area supplyed

chicks were no were near as good big healthy or strong as when separately breed as they were feed less due to keeping nests safe

paranoid, instinct call it what you will

i think that

results are always going to be not as good as caged separate pairs

 

but thats me as i said before lazy mans way of breeding pet birds and nothing beneficial to the pairs i can think of just stress

colony in wild is so different than in flight unless your aviary is massive it should not be done in my veiw

 

I dissagree with this as Greg's dad has several of my birds and he has bred some rippers in colony breeding. They are big birds like mine some even bigger, if he had my rings on them I could show them and have a good chance of winning that's how good they are. He has bred a light green cock that I would die for. :sad: but he won't part with him.

His aviary is only about 3 feet wide and 6 foot long if that. He only has a few birds in there. But he is breeding great.

 

 

whats a few birds splat 4 or more

cause 4 birds two pairs is not really colony breeding except the fact theirs no control over who mates with whom

 

im talking small aviary with 6 or more pairs their is just no personal space for the birds

and i guess i shouldnt of generalized so broadly

ill say most conony breeders are just breeding for a quick buck and dont cheak chicks or clean their beaks feet extra and its just a lazy way out of caring for birds properly

( I don't want a major fight breaking out so......)

 

There are positives and negatives to colony breeding. Some people don't care well and mass breed, other are caring and love the brilliance of our birds. You need the right conditions and the right birds to be able to colony breed. Some people prefer it , and other don't. We all have our reasons.

 

Does that summarise?

personally i think colony breeding is just a lazy way to breed birds

the chicks dont get cleaned feet or beaks and mum n dad have to do everything and deal with the fear of night intruders of their nest exectra

chicks are less healthy as Peronts are to busy trying to keep watch of them so feed less regularly

i breed my pets as i do my show birds

i have done it this way always even as child

once i did three in a cage and the rezult even though birds were happy to be sharing the area supplyed

chicks were no were near as good big healthy or strong as when separately breed as they were feed less due to keeping nests safe

paranoid, instinct call it what you will

i think that

results are always going to be not as good as caged separate pairs

 

but thats me as i said before lazy mans way of breeding pet birds and nothing beneficial to the pairs i can think of just stress

colony in wild is so different than in flight unless your aviary is massive it should not be done in my veiw

 

I dissagree with this as Greg's dad has several of my birds and he has bred some rippers in colony breeding. They are big birds like mine some even bigger, if he had my rings on them I could show them and have a good chance of winning that's how good they are. He has bred a light green cock that I would die for. :sad: but he won't part with him.

His aviary is only about 3 feet wide and 6 foot long if that. He only has a few birds in there. But he is breeding great.

 

 

whats a few birds splat 4 or more

cause 4 birds two pairs is not really colony breeding except the fact theirs no control over who mates with whom

 

im talking small aviary with 6 or more pairs their is just no personal space for the birds

and i guess i shouldnt of generalized so broadly

ill say most conony breeders are just breeding for a quick buck and dont cheak chicks or clean their beaks feet extra and its just a lazy way out of caring for birds properly

 

I disagree again :rip: Merv has about 15 birds maybe more in the aviary and he does not do it for a quick buck, he loves his birds . He enjoys his time watching them, and loves the challenge of breeding different colours and varieties. He is the mist of transforming another aviary that he had cockatiels in into another aviary for his budgies. This aviary is 6 feet wide and 15 feet long so he will have pleny of room. He gives his birds away when he gets too many. or he will swap with friends at the moment he is after a pied

I know a couple of other people around here the colony breed and they don't do it for a quick buck NOT around here there is NO money in budgies. They do it for themselves, their enjoyment.

Willow has developed scaley, so I took her out. Her 4 fertile eggs were put in Marble's infertile nest of three unny shaped eggs. The blue hen has yet to lay. This round looks like it will be a small one, I may try Willow in the breeding cage if I have a spare when she gets better.

I am planning on getting my birds to moult early, then trying the three pairs in the cages when I am getting my show birds to moult. The pairs will be:

Opaline Blue/Fallow hen X Violet/Fallow cock - Only keeping fallow chick to put into show stock

Apollo ( YF Blue Opaline Spangle Cinnamon) X Willow (Spangle Grey)

Marble (Rec. Pied Cinnamon Blue) X DF Spangle YF split cin.