Jasper & Nixie - Skyblue Normal x Goldenface skyblue violet opaline

 

 

 

 

ZuZu & Cielito - Skyblue dominant pied opaline x Yellowface skyblue violet recessive pied

 

 

 

Sonny & Fiona - Goldenface cobalt dominant pied - Dark green normal

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Those are my current pairs and this is my late journal. I have a very detailed journal on another forum but since there's chicks already I'll just skip to them on this one. You can correct me if I'm wrong on the mutations :party0011:

 

 

Jasper and Nixie's

 

Chick 1 and 2

 

 

Chick 3 and Cielito's 2 (Foster)

 

Had to foster Cielito's chick 2 because of a very long story but he is doing great now

 

All clean :laughter:

 

Ages and weights for this clutch:

Chick 1 - 20 days old - 38g

Chick 2 - 19 days old - 35g

Chick 3 - 17 days old - 34g

Chick 4 - 15 days old - 28g

Chick 5 - 11 days old - 18g

Chick 6 - 09 days old - 15g

Edited July 27, 201014 yr by Dave_McMinn
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In That last picture how come the chicks are not with there mothers ext in the breeding boxes?? Are you hand rearing or something? Just curious i new to all this budgie business.

In That last picture how come the chicks are not with there mothers ext in the breeding boxes?? Are you hand rearing or something? Just curious i new to all this budgie business.

People do this just to take photos Jack and then put them back in their nests with their mothers.

In That last picture how come the chicks are not with there mothers ext in the breeding boxes?? Are you hand rearing or something? Just curious i new to all this budgie business. :party0011:

 

I handle them everyday to get them used to hands, I usually put them out only a few minutes while I clean the nest boxes, then they get handled and I take pictures. Every other day I weight them. They are parent raised

 

Is that a greywing I spy at the top there? (The yellowface?)

Is that a greywing I spy at the top there? (The yellowface?)

 

Yea :rofl:

 

That was a surprise, never expected Jasper to be split greywing, and it looks like a full body color greywing too since his body feathers are coming out a very bright violet skyblue. I'm really excited about him, the youngest one also looks like a greywing

Edited July 28, 201014 yr by Cory

Some of Fiona's chicks, the three oldest.

 

 

One of Cielito's

 

 

Nixie's oldest three.

Is that a greywing I spy at the top there? (The yellowface?)

 

Yea

 

That was a surprise, never expected Jasper to be split greywing, and it looks like a full body color greywing too since his body feathers are coming out a very bright violet skyblue. I'm really excited about him, the youngest one also looks like a greywing

 

 

I'm starting to think that being split for greywing is more common than I thought, for pet shop budgies. I was surprised when it turned out that all four of the black-winged parents I used last time turned out to be split for it!

 

I bet your yellowface with the bright body color will turn out really beautiful! It will be interesting to see how it moults out.

I'm starting to think that being split for greywing is more common than I thought, for pet shop budgies. I was surprised when it turned out that all four of the black-winged parents I used last time turned out to be split for it!

 

I bet your yellowface with the bright body color will turn out really beautiful! It will be interesting to see how it moults out.

 

Yea I've seen quite a few greywings at the pet store, I never bought one though. I never knew that any of my budgies would be split for it or that the two that were split would end up as a pair

 

I read that to get a full bodied color greywing you need a clearwing gene and a greywing gene. So that would mean that if my chick is a FBC Greywing then one of the parents is split clearwing

 

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Jasper an Nixie's - Skyblue normal cock X Goldenface(SF) skyblue violet opaline hen

Both parents split for greywing? or one for greywing one for clearwing?

 

Chick 1 - Patches are purple/violet, mask is a lot brighter, body color has more of a violet tinge

 

 

 

Chick 2

 

 

Chick 3 - Patches are purple/violet, mask is a lot brighter, body color has more of a violet tinge

 

 

Chick 4

 

 

Chick 5

 

 

Chick 6

 

Ages for this clutch:

 

Chick 1 - 26 days old

Chick 2 - 25 days old

Chick 3 - 23 days old

Chick 4 - 21 days old

Chick 5 - 17 days old

Chick 6 - 15 days old

 

 

ZuZu and Cielito's chicks - Skyblue dominant pied opaline cock X YF2 skyblue violet recessive pied hen

 

Chick 1 - A very light creamy yellow, not white

 

 

 

 

Chick 2 - A very light creamy yellow, not white

 

Chick 3 - A very light creamy yellow, not white

 

Ages for this clutch:

 

Chick 1 - 23 days old

Chick 2 - 21 days old

Chick 3 - 19 days old

 

Sonny and Fiona's chicks - Goldenface cobalt dominant pied cock X Light green normal hen

Cock could be clearflight pied as well? I realized the hen is a light green and not a dark green.

Chick 1 - This chick is getting skyblue tail feathers, and even more blue on his legs, belly and vent area. But he is dark green

 

 

 

Chick 2

 

 

Chick 3

 

 

Chick 4

 

 

Chick 5

 

 

Ages for this clutch:

 

Chick 1 - 18 days old

Chick 2 - 17 days old

Chick 3 - 16 days old

Chick 4 - 14 days old

Chick 5 - 11 days old

 

 

Want to guess on their mutations?

Great photos of the little ones

 

 

 

 

I love this picture of the tail pins!

 

(And I'm no good at guessing mutations this young. )

if one the peronts is golden face then id say he is also

the chick is cobalt or sky goldenface

and will go compleatly green when older yet be a blue bird

Great photos of the little ones

 

Thank you

 

I love this picture of the tail pins!

 

(And I'm no good at guessing mutations this young. )

 

Thanks!

I already know their mutations, mostly. Just want to see what everyone's opinions are

 

if one the parents is golden face then id say he is also

the chick is cobalt or sky goldenface

and will go compleatly green when older yet be a blue bird

 

Yea the mom is a goldenface skyviolet so the first chick is a goldenface skyviolet as well, will look just like mom without the opaline part.

I wish they were double factors though, I love the way they look now, blue with their golden faces

Jasper an Nixie's - Skyblue normal cock X Goldenface(SF) skyblue violet opaline hen

Both parents split for greywing? or one for greywing one for clearwing?

 

Chick 1

 

Chick 2

 

Chick 3

 

Chick 4

 

 

Chick 5

 

 

Chick 6

 

Ages for this clutch:

 

Chick 1 - 31 days old (4 weeks, 3 days)

Chick 2 - 30 days old (4 weeks, 2 days)

Chick 3 - 28 days old (4 weeks)

Chick 4 - 26 days old (3 weeks, 5 days)

Chick 5 - 22 days old (3 weeks, 1 days)

Chick 6 - 20 days old (2 weeks, 6 days)

 

 

ZuZu and Cielito's chicks - Skyblue dominant pied opaline cock X YF2 skyblue violet recessive pied hen

 

Chick 1

 

 

Chick 2

 

 

Chick 3

 

 

 

Ages for this clutch:

 

Chick 1 - 30 days old (4 weeks, 2 days)

Chick 2 - 28 days old (4 weeks)

Chick 3 - 26 days old (3 weeks, 5 days)

Sonny and Fiona's chicks - Goldenface cobalt dominant pied cock X Light green normal hen

I realized the hen is a light green and not a dark green. I think the cock is actually a clearflight pied and not a dominant pied.

Chick 1

 

 

Chick 2

 

 

Chick 3

 

 

Chick 4

 

 

Chick 5

 

 

Ages for this clutch:

 

Chick 1 - 23 days old (3 weeks, 2 days)

Chick 2 - 22 days old (3 weeks, 1 day)

Chick 3 - 21 days old (3 weeks)

Chick 4 - 19 days old (2 weeks, 5 days)

Chick 5 - 16 days old (2 weeks, 2 days)

 

Opinions on mutations are appreciated

They are coming along nicely, Cory.

 

I thought it was interesting that in neither of your dom pied nests did you get any normal (non pied) chicks.

 

But then I went back and looked at Zuzu, and he is df dom pied, so that explains that one. (All of the chicks of that pair will be dom/recessive.)

 

But I think Sonny looks like sf dom pied, so it's interesting that he didn't throw any normals.

 

As far as clearflight pied vs dom pied, I used to think clearflight meant only the primary flights were clear. But I've asked around, and the answers I get just confuse me. So now I just call everything with the banded stomach a dom pied and everything with a clear stomach a clearflight pied. (Even though I know that's probably wrong. )

 

One breeder I know told me that you can tell by whether their tail feathers were clear or marked. She even showed me on my babies, but what she showed me seemed to be the opposite of how she was saying it. So I just smiled, nodded my head, and gave up.

They are coming along nicely, Cory.

 

I thought it was interesting that in neither of your dom pied nests did you get any normal (non pied) chicks.

 

But then I went back and looked at Zuzu, and he is df dom pied, so that explains that one. (All of the chicks of that pair will be dom/recessive.)

 

But I think Sonny looks like sf dom pied, so it's interesting that he didn't throw any normals.

 

As far as clearflight pied vs dom pied, I used to think clearflight meant only the primary flights were clear. But I've asked around, and the answers I get just confuse me. So now I just call everything with the banded stomach a dom pied and everything with a clear stomach a clearflight pied. (Even though I know that's probably wrong. )

 

One breeder I know told me that you can tell by whether their tail feathers were clear or marked. She even showed me on my babies, but what she showed me seemed to be the opposite of how she was saying it. So I just smiled, nodded my head, and gave up.

 

So you think ZuZu is a DF? Someone else told me the same thing but I wasn't sure.. DF dom pieds confuse me

 

Fiona's chicks are confusing me too! I don't know if the first chick is either blue series or green series? He is green but has a lot of blue. And they don't look like dominant pieds, their spots are small and they don't have the band across their belly, just the clear flights. Not so sure about the younger ones.

Edited August 6, 201014 yr by Cory

Beautiful chicks

So you think ZuZu is a DF? Someone else told me the same thing but I wasn't sure.. DF dom pieds confuse me

Well, I'm sure he's not a SF dom pied. He would have more markings if her were. Whether he is DF dom pied, or whether he is dom pied/ recessive pied, I can't say. But if he were a dom/rec, then you could get visual recessive pieds from this pair. Chick 3 looks like it could be recessive pied. If it were, that would give you your answer. (If it isn't, you would probably need to breed a dozen or so more chicks before ruling it out. )The pieds confuse me, too. If only they were easier to tell apart!

Sonny and Fiona's chicks - Goldenface cobalt dominant pied cock X Light green normal henCock could be clearflight pied as well? I realized the hen is a light green and not a dark green.Chick 1 - This chick is getting skyblue tail feathers, and even more blue on his legs, belly and vent area. But he is dark green

if one the peronts is golden face then id say he is also the chick is cobalt or sky goldenface and will go compleatly green when older yet be a blue bird

Sonny and Fiona's chicks - Goldenface cobalt dominant pied cock X Light green normal henI realized the hen is a light green and not a dark green. I think the cock is actually a clearflight pied and not a dominant pied.Chick 1

I think GB's explanation above (highlighted in red) seems to be right on the mark. The bird is turning greener.As for what pied he is, in my simplified little world, belly band means dom pied, no band means clearflight pied. But I'm sure it's more complicated than that, and I'm probably wrong. (I vote for: he is what his father is. )

if one the peronts is golden face then id say he is also the chick is cobalt or sky goldenface and will go compleatly green when older yet be a blue bird

 

I think GB's explanation above (highlighted in red) seems to be right on the mark. The bird is turning greener.As for what pied he is, in my simplified little world, belly band means dom pied, no band means clearflight pied. But I'm sure it's more complicated than that, and I'm probably wrong. (I vote for: he is what his father is. )

 

Thank you for that Finnie

 

I do believe though that GB was explaining what Jasper's chicks were though not Sonny's LOL.

 

Sonny's chicks don't have the band so they must be clearflight pieds, meaning that sonny must be one too. I was also doing some research on clearflights and found out that blue series birds have white flights, so my chicks must be green right? But then I thought.. if they are goldenface like Sonny then they would have yellow flights as well even if blue series? Or does the goldenface affect the flights as well on clearflights or doesn't it? hehe I am so confused

Edited August 7, 201014 yr by Cory

if one the peronts is golden face then id say he is also the chick is cobalt or sky goldenface and will go compleatly green when older yet be a blue bird

 

I think GB's explanation above (highlighted in red) seems to be right on the mark. The bird is turning greener.As for what pied he is, in my simplified little world, belly band means dom pied, no band means clearflight pied. But I'm sure it's more complicated than that, and I'm probably wrong. (I vote for: he is what his father is. )

 

Thank you for that Finnie

 

I do believe though that GB was explaining what Jasper's chicks were though not Sonny's LOL.

 

Sonny's chicks don't have the band so they must be clearflight pieds, meaning that sonny must be one too. I was also doing some research on clearflights and found out that blue series birds have white flights, so my chicks must be green right? But then I thought.. if they are goldenface like Sonny then they would have yellow flights as well even if blue series? Or does the goldenface affect the flights as well on clearflights or doesn't it? hehe I am so confused

 

Well, I would have assumed that goldenface would affect the flights on a clearflight the same as it would on a non-pied bird, so maybe they would be a pale yellow. Or maybe they would start out white and turn yellower during the moults, as the yellow bleeds in more.

 

I've also read that sometimes a green series bird starts out more blue looking and then turns greener.

 

I wish an expert would come and give their opinion. I feel like the blind leading the blind!

Well, I would have assumed that goldenface would affect the flights on a clearflight the same as it would on a non-pied bird, so maybe they would be a pale yellow. Or maybe they would start out white and turn yellower during the moults, as the yellow bleeds in more.

 

I've also read that sometimes a green series bird starts out more blue looking and then turns greener.

 

I wish an expert would come and give their opinion. I feel like the blind leading the blind!

 

 

LOL that's true

 

I'm going to post a thread question on their mutations once they feather up, the experts pay more attention to those