Hi all

My best lt green spangle is sick. He is in a nest with a hen and 4 babies (not theirs) well I found him this morning looking a bit worse for tear.

He has what looks like vomit all over his front and a messy bum (not real bad though). Above the cere is not went so I am not sure what the problem is. I have put him in the hospital cage and gave him moxi and the hen and babies.

The vet won't be in until next Monday as he is only there Mondays only .

 

Here are some photos of him.

 

I would hate to loose him as I lost his full sister a couple of months ago, Kaz has one of his brothers and Geoff has a sister . I am really scared I am going to loose my line.

Looks like he may have canker. Hope you get him seen by the vet ASAP.

Fingers crossed and good luck :fear

Monday is forever away. :fear

His poops are still formed but light in colour like a creamy colour.

I croped him with the moxy but I really don't know what to give him, I am thinking food poisoning from wet food so that is why the moxy.

Edited June 30, 201014 yr by splat

splat i was told never medicate till you know whats wrong

only to give

bit red cordiel in water and squeeze lemmon

freash seed and after three days freash water

and warmth no mater how it comes light warm room

i prefer warm room

it settles belly aparently

if he lasts that then id go to vet

 

but my book says the canker is most likely cause in this stage of breeding if vomit is sighn and lassitude suddenly apper in cock if no other cabbinets afected :fear i hope that helps

im looking up other possibilitys

 

it says

for vommiting megga treatment or canker treatment

dirty nostrills streptococcus tratment

gas in crop antibiotics and canker treatment

tail bobing fungal treatment

thats for ill cock in breeding cabbnit with chicks from first chick to at feathered stage

Edited June 30, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

Moxi-T is a broad spectrum antibiotic it won't hurt but also won't help if it's canker or food toxin. As GB says vomiting first stop is canker then maybe mega - but that amount of vommiting and quick deterioration points more to canker. Still it's only a guesstimate as always.

 

If it's toxins from food not much really helps other than supportive therapy - heat, no draughts, milk thistle (liver function support) etc until their body can properly remove the toxin.

 

GB lemon (citric acid) helps to supress mega bacteria as does ACV, red cordial?..... well some brands were known to be mildly antibiotic in effect for humans (suppressed certain bacterial infections E.coli and staf. aureus) but probably not as effective as normal anitbiotics and the sugar in it can also promote the growth of protazoa and bacterial by providing more food source.

 

Good luck with him. Hope he pulls through okay for you!

That's sad news Splat. I hope he makes a full recovery. :fear

Moxi-T is a broad spectrum antibiotic it won't hurt but also won't help if it's canker or food toxin. As GB says vomiting first stop is canker then maybe mega - but that amount of vommiting and quick deterioration points more to canker. Still it's only a guesstimate as always.

 

If it's toxins from food not much really helps other than supportive therapy - heat, no draughts, milk thistle (liver function support) etc until their body can properly remove the toxin.

 

GB lemon (citric acid) helps to supress mega bacteria as does ACV, red cordial?..... well some brands were known to be mildly antibiotic in effect for humans (suppressed certain bacterial infections E.coli and staf. aureus) but probably not as effective as normal anitbiotics and the sugar in it can also promote the growth of protazoa and bacterial by providing more food source.

 

Good luck with him. Hope he pulls through okay for you!

thank you for that infor

m i must be really lucky then as i give that first up to all my sick birds

before i can get them seen if i dont know what it is

so far i been lucky and its picked them up a bit

so what should we give instead of meds intill we know whats wrong

i just thought if it was megga it would help till she got to vet to find out if was cannker or megga but supressing wont help that :fear

justmake harder to tell

Rang the vet and he will not be available until Monday week and that is miles too late.

He hasn't vomited all day. He is in my small hospital cage in the washhouse so I can keep a close eye on him.

Will give him turbosole starting tomorrow, but to the like of me can't work out how hw would get canker as he is near no knew birds and the last new birds that came to my aviary was a few weeks ago are no where near these birds.

 

Thankyou everyone for your concern

What his crop feel like,you mentioned wet food,may be sour crop,if his crop feels hard.

You may have to massage it to break it up & flush it out & a little bi carb.

Canker is something that can crop up at any time. Not just when you bring in new birds. Routine treatment 3-4 times per year for budgies is recommended for canker.

What his crop feel like,you mentioned wet food,may be sour crop,if his crop feels hard.

You may have to massage it to break it up & flush it out & a little bi carb.

 

Also another possibility as macka says

What his crop feel like,you mentioned wet food,may be sour crop,if his crop feels hard.

You may have to massage it to break it up & flush it out & a little bi carb.

 

 

is that how you tell sour crop macka thankyou mate

and very useful bit of info their cheers

how would you flush it out though

via crop needle ??

I was talking to another member of my club tonight and he had canker in his birds last year and he thinks NOT CANKER, as his did not vomit like this boy, he said they did a bit after he started the medication when they tried to bring up the stuuf and that's when he lost some of them.

 

I now believe this boy has enteritis caused through wet food or codliver soaked seed which both things I have ceased immediatley.

 

He is looking much better so far in the hossy cage preening himself.

 

I felt his crop Macka and it doesn't feel hard.

 

I preventive treated all birds for canka about 3 months ago.

Edited June 30, 201014 yr by splat

I was talking to another member of my club tonight and he had canker in his birds last year and he thinks NOT CANKER, as his did not vomit like this boy, he said they did a bit after he started the medication when they tried to bring up the stuuf and that's when he lost some of them.

 

I now believe this boy has enteritis caused through wet food or codliver soaked seed which both things I have ceased immediatley.

 

He is looking much better so far in the hossy cage preening himself.

 

I felt his crop Macka and it doesn't feel hard.

 

I preventive treated all birds for canka about 3 months ago.

 

 

stress ingeneral can cause this in breeding birds splat my lacewing died from stress not canker or psittacosis like it looked autopsy showed nothing not megga

cf said he belived it to be more likely stress related and extra enigy foods should have been given and heatr

 

im glad hes getting better

Edited June 30, 201014 yr by KAZ

Thanks Gb

I normally give sick birds polyaid but I have none left so i can't.

 

So far so good though.

Good to hear. Hoping he continues to improve.

Here is now, you can see he is much better , the mess on his front is dried up and he hasn't vomit since I found him this morning but he is still not out woods yet.

This morning he was hanging his wings now he is holding them and sitting on the perch. But he good hold them a bit tighter and he is breathing heavy and bobbing his tail a bit.

 

Earlier this morning

 

and now

 

Gosh I hope he makes it.

all the best i hope he make's to

he does look better hun

just dont return him to earliy as you know and keep up fresh clean water

 

as so he doesnt dehidrate dropsome on his beak soitrolls inmouthif you dont see him drinking

Edited June 30, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

I am cropping him to make sure he does get his meds and water. I wish I had some polyaid here.

Just letting you all know the my boy is still kicking but he is much the same as last night. His dropping are a pale creamy colour. Not running they are forming but am worried about the colour as his sister who dies a couple of months ago had the same colour droppings and the she died.

Sounds like he isnt getting enough nourishment to stay in his body. :what:

He hasn't vomited since yesterday morning. I have no polyaid to give, just hope he makes it. he is eating. I think as there are husk left in the seed bowl and they don't look grinded.

Hi Splat,

 

I just read this and I am so sorry that he is sick, I hope he gets well soon, I would give you some advice but firstly I don't think I am qualified and second I don't think you would need advice as you seem fairly clued into these birds. So good luck and I hope all ends well for you both.

 

Anne Marie

 

(hope that dosen't sound too corny :question: )

Thanks Anne Marie.

Well good news my boy seems to have made a full recovery.

If he is still on track I am going to put him into my large hospital cage tomorrow out in the breed room. There is heat up one end and he can escape from the heat if he choose.

I believe he had enteritis so all birds and him have been on sulpa AVS. The fisrt night I gave him MoxyT but the next day I changed it to the sulpha as it is the treatment for enteritis.

The hen and the babies he was feeding are all good too.

I will take a photo of him tomorrow, too lazy now as I worked today and I am stuffed.

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