Hi all,

 

Hoping somebody could help me with a question.

 

I acquired several new budgies a few months ago and 4 of these birds have paired. The first pair is an English dark green split to violet male and his girlfriend is a skyblue spangle. The second pair is another English grey spangle and his girlfriend is a dark green female. I believe this female may also have the violet factor aswell.

Could anybody take a stab at what sort of colours I could expect from these pairs.

 

Cheers

Anne marie

Hi all,

 

Hoping somebody could help me with a question.

 

I acquired several new budgies a few months ago and 4 of these birds have paired. The first pair is an English dark green split to violet male and his girlfriend is a skyblue spangle. The second pair is another English grey spangle and his girlfriend is a dark green female. I believe this female may also have the violet factor aswell.

Could anybody take a stab at what sort of colours I could expect from these pairs.

 

Cheers

Anne marie

 

 

hi sorry no one awnsered youi was hopeig someone else would as im probbly going to be told im wrong anyway but heregoes

 

starters

a bird can not be split to violet

it either is violet dark green or not

lets say it is

and he pairs with the sky blue spangle

then you will get possably sky blue , sky violets , violets , cobalts , in spangle and norm

 

 

the other pair you could get simular but grey in the mix really depends on alot of things your question was not really as simple as it seemed

look up peter burgmans infomation on violet breeding youwill find out what i mean

Hi

 

Thanks for replying.

 

I have read so much on the genetic thing and I still can't wrap my head around it all.

okay, my boy well he is visually dark green with violet patches on his cheeks. I was told by a friend of the son of the breeder (confusing sorry) that his mother was a violet. As for my other female whom I think maybe a violet, well she has the same violet patches on her cheeks but visually she looks to be violet. I didn't think this was possible in greens only in the blues. My skyblue is unmistakable in colour as is my grey and they are both spangles this I am sure as I love the spangles and its about the only type of wing markings that I am sure of.

I will keep researching and hopefully one day it will all fall into place.

 

Again thank you

 

Anne Marie

Post pictures

i found myself that breeding and taking my own notes was alot easyer than understanding other assessments as im dislexic and have troubles in this area

i found a topic daz wrote however

its very easily put into consent may be read it http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=12367 hope this worked

okay here is hoping this works.

 

first pair

 

Budge:

 

Sky:

 

second pair

 

Cloud:

 

Rain:

 

Anne marie

okay here is hoping this works.

 

first pair

 

Budge: does seem the right bronzy green to be violet green hes also opaline posably also gf single factor as hes yellow goes down very far

 

Sky:

 

second pair

 

Cloud:

 

Rain: this one looks to me to be a golden face single factor sky blue

Anne marie

 

 

 

here is the link i was talking about

http://www.bcv.asn.au/Violets.pdf

 

if he is violet green you will get violets with him and her for sure the sky and darkgreen violet boy

Hi

 

I honestly never noticed the colour of Budge until now. He isn't as dark as I thought, looking at him last night I would say he was a light olive colour, my other green budgie Rain defiently is green, the photo of her didn't show that but she is a much darker green than Budge.

Would opaline cause any differences in the offspring than if there was no opaline? Obviously I am sure I would expect some of the babies to be opaline but would it impact on gender or colour etc?

Hope that is not too confusing.

 

Anne Marie

What colour tail does this one have

 

and by the way.........you can post bigger pictures here. 480 by 640 is our limit.

Just ran down to try and get a photo for you but silly bird wouldn't show me his bum long enough to get a photo. It seems to me to be extremely dark green almost black looking.

Budge is not a GF. He is a standard Opaline. The yellow through the top part of the chest is often found in Opalines. Colour of Opalines is reduced about 10% from the Normal colour but to most people they appear the same as Normals. Put them side by side with a normal of the same colour and you'll see the difference.

 

Rain does look like a GF from that picture.

 

Maybe post bigger pics or put link to larger ones.

okay my bad, on closer inspection I would say Budge's tail was very dark blue to black, managed some photos, budge was very unimpressed

 

 

 

I'll try later and get one of Rain, unfortunately she is an extremely skittish bird and never sits still for me.

 

Anne Marie

okay no im not sure to be honest with him

he does seem the bronzy green a violet green would be but only if it was single factor golden face

giving rip said hes not then he cant be violet green

as for a normal none gf bird to be dark green violet it is a more emerald coloured bird

i still think rain is sky blue gf

He looks olive to me

okay after stacks of photos I managed to get one of Rain. Not the best, had to use flash as it is starting to get dark out, and please don't mind her wing, as is evident in last photo of her as well she had an accident as a young bird and now is unable to tuck her wing. Can still fly good though.

 

 

Don't the Violet patches on the cheeks indicate that they have a violet background? This is what I was always thinking anyway?

 

Anne Marie

okay after stacks of photos I managed to get one of Rain. Not the best, had to use flash as it is starting to get dark out, and please don't mind her wing, as is evident in last photo of her as well she had an accident as a young bird and now is unable to tuck her wing. Can still fly good though.

 

 

Don't the Violet patches on the cheeks indicate that they have a violet background? This is what I was always thinking anyway?

 

Anne Marie

She looks like a normal green to me

okay so if I was to say what colours my birds are I would have a skyblue spangle hen, a grey spangle cock, an olive opaline cock? and a normal dark green hen?

I have absolutly no idea of colours as the two greens are completely different to what I thought they were. I also have another budgie and he is completely white with extremely light blue patches around his chest. What colour would he be?

 

Blizzard:

 

Anne Marie

He is a white double factor spangle with suffusion.

That's a mouthful and a half. He is paired with a YF grey/green cinnamon opaline, which is one of my original birds I had when I joined this forum. That is what everybody said she was anyways.

That's a mouthful and a half. He is paired with a YF grey/green cinnamon opaline, which is one of my original birds I had when I joined this forum. That is what everybody said she was anyways.

I saw only one person say YF and all others said opaline cinnamon grey green not yellowface. I would say not YF.

Why did you choose that pairing ?

Edited June 25, 201014 yr by KAZ

I have six budgies in an avairy, they chose themselves. I figured let them breed at least once and see what the outcome is. I really want to try and breed violets but this is looking far harder then I originally thought. At the moment it is more experimenting and trying to learn the colours and markings etc. Sky started to lay some eggs in one of the plants I have in the avairy and after laying two I have given her and Budge a cage with a nest box where she has laid the third egg this morning. I know its not the best time but I figured if she was laying without a box then giving them a box was the safer option....

 

I apologise as well for saying everyone said Leo was a YF. I only did a quick scan through and noticed YF come up a couple of times I didn't actually read any of it..

Edited June 25, 201014 yr by Annie82

You are colony breeding and thats the hardest way to breed budgies. They can fight over nestboxes, smash eggs raid each others nestbox and kill chicks just when you are getting delighted about having chicks. If you have any budgies in the aviary under 12 months you will be forcing them to breed too young. No budgies under 12 months should be anywhere that nestboxes are.

 

 

Something to think about

I didn't have any nestboxes in the avairy. Budge and Cloud are 08 babies, Rain and Sky are Jan 09 babies and Leo and Blizzard are mid 09 babies. All in all none of them are now under 12 months. They have all been together quite happy since october last year and its only recently that sky decided to lay some eggs. Hence why I put her and Budge into a cage with a nestbox.

 

Seeing as it is winter though is there anyway of helping Sky keep the chicks (when they hatch) warmer?

Don't want any of them freezing on me..

Seeing as it is winter though is there anyway of helping Sky keep the chicks (when they hatch) warmer?

Don't want any of them freezing on me..

 

Have you any nestbox materials in the nestbox....you can use dry porridge oats or flaky bran.....less chance of them tossing it out

Is the cage inside the house ?

Unfortunately on two notes I didn't think about nesting materials until after I put the eggs into the nestbox, and I can't bring the birds inside as we are looking after a couple of cats for a friend and they personally are mean looking things that I wouldn't want anywhere near my birds. I do have some wood shavings like you get for rabbits and I was looking at putting that in after the chicks hatched, but I'm starting to rethink a lot of things.

Do you think I could put porridge oats in now without touching the eggs? I have some oats in the freezer (will defrost them first)

 

Seriously this was not the plan, there were no nestboxes in the avairy but she made her own nest in the plant and I honestly thought they were both going out of breeding condition, guess I was wrong.