Hi GB, No luck as in, don't bother asking because they don't want you. Maybe they only want experienced breeders? Why can't there be a club on the mornington peninsula? Please!

are you in vic ???and having this much troublelet me look into it for you do you drive ??theirs a few choices your way and personally if they dont want you thats their total lose mate :} you see

Yes i'm in Vic and i do drive. Thank you GB

ill pm u B)napean welcome people so cant be them they have even helped me out their members i find most clubs been very helpful tome so i find this very hard to belive no one wants you

I think one thing that helps in Victoria is the competition between our 18-20 clubs, all clubs want to improve there standing, so senior members will help club members in order to help their club. But a warning to beginners ALL senior breeders have helped out beginners in the past just to find their birds in a pet shop months later. As a beginner get involved in your club, make it known your in it for the long haul, then seek to get assistance and birds from one senior member do not approach everyone, put your faith in just one breeder and your more likely to get help. Cheers Clearwing

Clearwing,What you say is so true.we have had people turn up & are all yap,

they are going to do this & they would't do that.Blow hards, they last about 5 minites

in the club.In all the years, I have been involved in Clubs, for 40 years & am life member

of 3 of these clubs.So I have seen them come & I have seen a lot, that did't stay.In a lot of cases,

the people,just find it to hard to handle,they want to be an overnight success & that is not going to

happen.As for top breeders,not selling you there stock, thats there choice,you have to prove,

that you can look after the birds & keep the standard up,you have to remeber,these breed have put

a lot of time & money into being top breeders.Jo Blow turns up & says,they want to buy some of there birds,

they say okay, take your pick out of that pen,they are $1000 or this pen they are $500 & you say what about,

that pen & the breeders,says no they are not for sale,they are my breeders.

In a lot of cases,the people who are complaining about top breeders not helping them or selling them birds.

In most cases,have good cause to not sell them birds or help them,because they know, the person involved,will

give it away,in a short time or fall by the way side.If you want to be actcepeted in a club,you have to do the time & show you are fair dinkum,help around the club & bring your bird & show them at the night shows,for a start.I could go on about.what is needed to be agood breeder & member,for another page.But it would be a waste of time in most cases.

Clearwing,What you say is so true.we have had people turn up & are all yap,

they are going to do this & they would't do that.Blow hards, they last about 5 minites

in the club.In all the years, I have been involved in Clubs, for 40 years & am life member

of 3 of these clubs.So I have seen them come & I have seen a lot, that did't stay.In a lot of cases,

the people,just find it to hard to handle,they want to be an overnight success & that is not going to

happen.As for top breeders,not selling you there stock, thats there choice,you have to prove,

that you can look after the birds & keep the standard up,you have to remeber,these breed have put

a lot of time & money into being top breeders.Jo Blow turns up & says,they want to buy some of there birds,

they say okay, take your pick out of that pen,they are $1000 or this pen they are $500 & you say what about,

that pen & the breeders,says no they are not for sale,they are my breeders.

In a lot of cases,the people who are complaining about top breeders not helping them or selling them birds.

In most cases,have good cause to not sell them birds or help them,because they know, the person involved,will

give it away,in a short time or fall by the way side.If you want to be actcepeted in a club,you have to do the time & show you are fair dinkum,help around the club & bring your bird & show them at the night shows,for a start.I could go on about.what is needed to be agood breeder & member,for another page.But it would be a waste of time in most cases.

and then there are the breeders who wont sell to you once you are winning on the bench.

That is true Kaz,Why do you think,they send there birds, to interstate Auctions,or put a price

on them,so you can't afford to buy them.That is why I think,some birds are sold for over the top prices

at the auctions.

Its fair to say that both breeders and beginners have both been burned (breeder x breeder issues, breeder x beginner issues, beginner x beginner issues). I don't really wanna blame any one party so much as say that I guess at the end of the day im not surprised there are so few joining the ranks (staying for long anyway) and why so many who are breeding become sour and keep to themselves largely. I am beyond amazed at the politics I have seen in every aspect of this hobby - clubs, shows, auctions. At the end of the day, im responsible for moving forward in this hobby and *I* know I will be in it for a long time so Im just going to keep talking to breeders until I find one I like, with birds I like - who likes me enough to help out

Its fair to say that both breeders and beginners have both been burned (breeder x breeder issues, breeder x beginner issues, beginner x beginner issues). I don't really wanna blame any one party so much as say that I guess at the end of the day im not surprised there are so few joining the ranks (staying for long anyway) and why so many who are breeding become sour and keep to themselves largely. I am beyond amazed at the politics I have seen in every aspect of this hobby - clubs, shows, auctions. At the end of the day, im responsible for moving forward in this hobby and *I* know I will be in it for a long time so Im just going to keep talking to breeders until I find one I like, with birds I like - who likes me enough to help out

 

 

thats what i did dean

and i didnt need to prove anything to them

they just knew i am a stayer and really want to achieve things

and it really has made a diffrence to my thinking

as now i know a few breeders whom know im their in always and they are helpping me out with regards to finding birds i may be requiring to get started

along with advice on other issues

i got a fantastic lesson on feather and quality from one of our more well known breeders in vic and was invited to their avirys to see how they ran things

what was feed what was required in general

i learn t so much in a few short hours

and was well am very thankful as it did help me understand dietary needs and quality of birds feather

buff, yellow double buff maintenance of aviary and importance of cleanliness and keeping your stock breed for at least one year although im in no situation to be able to do this as yet im working on it

so took me one whole year to find these people before that i just talked to everybody i still do but i tend to refer back to my few mentors before going forward with new ideas as they do know after all me well im a bit of a lose cannon so its good to have someone to stop me from doing certain things and the most important part is you need to be able to take criticism and to actually listen

Its fair to say that both breeders and beginners have both been burned (breeder x breeder issues, breeder x beginner issues, beginner x beginner issues). I don't really wanna blame any one party so much as say that I guess at the end of the day im not surprised there are so few joining the ranks (staying for long anyway) and why so many who are breeding become sour and keep to themselves largely. I am beyond amazed at the politics I have seen in every aspect of this hobby - clubs, shows, auctions. At the end of the day, im responsible for moving forward in this hobby and *I* know I will be in it for a long time so Im just going to keep talking to breeders until I find one I like, with birds I like - who likes me enough to help out

 

Amen brother

It is so disapointing to hear that some clubs are like this. I find my club great, have had heaps of help and have fallen into a group of people that i get along with well. People do come and go from these clubs but everyone needs to be given a fair go as it is the people coming into the hobby that will help push it forward. It may be only a few who remain in this hobby but if they don't find the help they need from the start then there will be even fewer. I also know that the people i wish to buy stock from time to time may not always have what i want available at that time, so when it comes to buying stock sometimes you just have to sit back and wait a little while rather then buying birds you really don't need or want and i've bought my fair share from auctions etc that i really just didn't need. Hope you find the club that suits you.

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

You are awesome

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

 

 

Thats great our club is currently setting up a mentor program so hopefully all will benifit and new friendships made

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

You are awesome

 

he really is a great bloke funny too

has helpped me via pm and chatting at show with my aviary situation

and when my birds all had colds :hooray:

Edited June 23, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

Thats the way I feel about it too. So good to hear you have it in place CW

 

Wish more felt the same way

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

 

Wow you are one of a kind and I wish there were more like you

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

 

Wow you are one of a kind and I wish there were more like you

 

hes not one of a kind i know of others the same

but these people are very far n few

Basically the whole idea is to really foster and care for the newbies coming through. Its easy enough to see the fly-by-nighters who wont stick around and easy enough to see passion for the budgies in others. Too many people and clubs can be like a closed shop in regard to sharing knowledge and helping out. Too many dont want to answer questions because they assume everyone already knows the answers or they have said things enough times in their minds.

BUT with so many clubs struggling to get new members and then keep them we have to try a little harder.........for the future

I should state my view, I believe every senior breeder should mentor at least one new breeder, for the sake of the fancy. I am currently mentoring several beginner and intermeadiate members. That means, I help with pairing and culling and I allow these people to borrow NOT purchase my spare birds [these are not culls they are spare breeders] and I expect them back if and when I need them. By doing this I believe I am helping the fancy to grow and secure the future of my hobby, cheers Clearwing

 

Yep I have some here , and yep CW is helping me heaps too .

Hi All!

I was at this auction and was pretty happy with the 3 birds I got! One of my friends won some rare mutations awards, so she was pretty happy also. I didn't see CW or Libby, not that I would have recognised you .

Hi Squeak_Crumble,i didn't see you either maybe we need to do what Kaz suggested to me once and

 

design a special BBC badge so we can recognise each other.

Haha I agree. I bought the grey-green normals and the light green spangle (the bargin of the day, lot 7) which I am VERY happy with, lots of people said I was lucky to get him for only $15

This is what I'm faced with every time I try and get some nice birds from breeders and frankly it stinks!

I am always willing to pay more for the better birds but I have been told that they wont sell them to me because they can get more for them at auctions.

How can someone not help you out when your standing there with your 9 and 11 year old boys who want to get into the hobby and need a hand with buying some good birds.

I have offered breeders as much as $150 for a good bird and I get the same response the only ones you can buy are those @#$%^ ones in that cage.

We have breeders up here who will not sell there good birds locally in stead they send them interstate to the auctions. Why not help your state win the Nationals with selling them locally?

This is just my experience with hobby so far and do I hope it gets better. I must say there are some really nice people in the hobby out there who are battlers just like us and who have been a great help to me.

I have resorted to buying culled birds from the markets.

 

Geoff

 

 

I so agree with what you are saying.

This issue is AUSTRALIA WIDE !!!!!!

I have had to resort to buying my outcrosses and ongoing breeding stock from interstate auctions and interstate breeders for quite some time now. Breeders that once sold me birds now wont as my birds begin to beat these open breeders on the show bench. Even waving a huge amount of cash ( $500 upwards ) under their noses will not let you get one good bird and you get shown the sh*tty cull cage......the "dregs". And these are the very breeders who criticise you when you buy from interstate. All I get offered are birds with issues, hens who scalp their chicks, birds with cysts, feather issues, health issues, lame birds etc. I have taken to taking photos of my birds with me on the camera to show them why I dont need those problems and why I need just one good bird, one outcross etc.

At National selections we wonder why we are low in numbers of birds offered to be selected. A great many breeders have fantastic birds and arent even putting them up for selections anymore too. There is a general feeling of apathy and lack of motivation. There is grumbling behind scenes and in the ranks. There is far too many saying they have been ripped of or sold dodgy or sick birds by the upper levels of breeders who should know better.

It seems to be that every single one of us us GOING IT ALONE with little to no support and little to no UNITY as a group. No wonder so many fall by the wayside and give up.

There seems to be less accountability for rubbish birds sold as "good birds" to the newbies. I am hearing all the time of birds even sold for $1000 plus that fall off the perch in far too short a time and no offer of a replacement bird. What happened to conscience and good faith and doing the right thing by others.

And then of course our best birds are going interstate to fill auctions......the mighty dollar is a drawcard for that. What gets left behind in the state for others to buy and work with ? Not a lot considering the breeder wont sell to you once you show you know what you are doing with your birds and breeding and have gone up a level. If they arent meeting the demand for interstate auctions because of the invitations to submit birds, they are sending them away to be sold so that local breeders cant get a hold of them and do something good with the bird. A fear of someone beating you on the bench with your own bloodlines that someone may have improved by the right outcross or good pairings.

I have heard from TOP breeders here that no other breeder will sell them a bird too. Even they feel it................some have walked off laughing when others have asked to buy a bird.

 

All I can say is, if this continues, with us all having to go it alone with no community spirit of assistance and helping fellow club members move forward, there will be no progression and things will die a death, members will leave the hobby disheartened and the only ones doing it and well will be the ones with $$$$$$ s.

 

Sorry for my late reply to this thread! Just read it through now and have a couple of thoughts on the issue.

 

On one hand I have an urge to help people out with birds and have gifted birds to a few people. On the other hand I'd really like to re-coup some of the large amount of dollars that I have spent over the years and I have to admit that getting good prices at auction helps here. At the moment I don't have enough of a name to send birds east to auctions (been asked but politely declined) but I would imagine when I have a bit more behind me that I WILL probably send birds east given the opportunity.

 

I get a bit shirty with people who whinge and ***** that they cannot get good birds for reasonable prices, generally their idea of a reasonable price is $30. I will sell my lesser culls for that amount but I won't part with a quality bird that I've worked 10 years to build and spent many dollars on, for that amount, although I still think that I ask realistic prices for my birds none the less (I'd love to hit the $1000 mark one day ).

 

I think in some respects it comes down a little bit to supply and demand, hey if my birds are in strong demand then I can charge more - it's a basic law of sales - the trouble is it's the top breeders birds that are always in demand so yes they CAN charge more or sell at an auction.

 

Personally I'd be really glad if someone succeeded with birds from my aviary and love to hear that they are breeding well and/or have produced nice stock for them to go on with and I don't care if they beat me on the bench with them either - I figure that's all part of it and when "the bench" for most of the serious ones of us becomes the National arena, surely it doesn't matter which state you sell them to, there is a chance that you are going to be knocked off by chicks bred from some of your own stock!

 

Really, I do think that people who breed the birds have the right to do whatever THEY personally chose with them, sell at auction, sell privately, give them away - whatever. At some stage people getting into the hobby have to realize that unfortunately it's not really a cheap hobby and forking out large dollars to get where you want kinda goes with the territory. When they get to the same level, they too will get to choose what they do with their birds - it's their right. Some will feel the urge to help out beginners and some won't.

 

OR beginners can do what any number of us have done in the past - start with cheap dregs or be helped out with birds from some kind hearted souls and then WORK their way to breeding good birds. Isn't that part of the attraction of the hobby too??? Or is it instant success that many beginners are chasing - seen that a bit lately too! And the easiest way to do that is to buy it in right (or better still get given it)?!

 

The ONE THING that I REALLY cannot stand, nor see any long term advantage for anyone, however, are the shonky dealings. Why some top breeders need to sell complete rubbish is beyond me all together. I personally am so sick of getting ripped off by one particular breeder over here after buying a few of his auction birds, that I refuse to ever consider a bird of his under any circumstance. This helps no-one out at all but unfortunately it's buyer beware (especially at an auction where you can't handle the birds) but I guess we learn who to trust and who not to trust - just like in life generally. I guess a novice only needs cop this a couple of times to become disillusioned though. My pledge to myself and others is that I will never sell a bird that I KNOW has a problem such as internal laying, tumours, feather cysts etc and I always tell people if a bird doesn't have flights or tail so that they can then make their own mind up about buying it or not. Any bird I've ever sold at auction has either bred successfully for me or has been unused (so are an unknown) and any non-breeders have been culled. Surely you can't get away with the practice of selling rubbish for too long before people walk away from your birds (as I've done with that one breeder over here) anyway, but people are people and there are all sorts out there.

 

Unfortunately my failing in the hobby is that I actually have a natural suspicion of beginners as I have seen many a person leave the hobby after buying up big and pledging their keenness. I really don't want to sell quality stock to people who then decide it's all too hard and then give it away. To me that's a complete and utter waste of my time and their money. My personal preference is to build alliances with people that I know and trust, whether that be novices or open breeders (whatever) and will gift birds where people have helped me out or where I see a need and feel the urge to help. I'm sorry but there are just some people that get right up my nose, that I will not help out even if they asked me nicely bet those are the ones that complain the loudest too. And I will stand by my desire to sell my quality birds for what I consider is a reasonable price considering what it would cost me to replace them and the amount of work and time that has been devoted to getting them to that quality.

Sorry for my late reply to this thread! Just read it through now and have a couple of thoughts on the issue.

 

On one hand I have an urge to help people out with birds and have gifted birds to a few people. On the other hand I'd really like to re-coup some of the large amount of dollars that I have spent over the years and I have to admit that getting good prices at auction helps here. At the moment I don't have enough of a name to send birds east to auctions (been asked but politely declined) but I would imagine when I have a bit more behind me that I WILL probably send birds east given the opportunity.

 

I get a bit shirty with people who whinge and ***** that they cannot get good birds for reasonable prices, generally their idea of a reasonable price is $30. I will sell my lesser culls for that amount but I won't part with a quality bird that I've worked 10 years to build and spent many dollars on, for that amount, although I still think that I ask realistic prices for my birds none the less (I'd love to hit the $1000 mark one day ).

 

I think in some respects it comes down a little bit to supply and demand, hey if my birds are in strong demand then I can charge more - it's a basic law of sales - the trouble is it's the top breeders birds that are always in demand so yes they CAN charge more or sell at an auction.

 

Personally I'd be really glad if someone succeeded with birds from my aviary and love to hear that they are breeding well and/or have produced nice stock for them to go on with and I don't care if they beat me on the bench with them either - I figure that's all part of it and when "the bench" for most of the serious ones of us becomes the National arena, surely it doesn't matter which state you sell them to, there is a chance that you are going to be knocked off by chicks bred from some of your own stock!

 

Really, I do think that people who breed the birds have the right to do whatever THEY personally chose with them, sell at auction, sell privately, give them away - whatever. At some stage people getting into the hobby have to realize that unfortunately it's not really a cheap hobby and forking out large dollars to get where you want kinda goes with the territory. When they get to the same level, they too will get to choose what they do with their birds - it's their right. Some will feel the urge to help out beginners and some won't.

 

OR beginners can do what any number of us have done in the past - start with cheap dregs or be helped out with birds from some kind hearted souls and then WORK their way to breeding good birds. Isn't that part of the attraction of the hobby too??? Or is it instant success that many beginners are chasing - seen that a bit lately too! And the easiest way to do that is to buy it in right (or better still get given it)?!

 

The ONE THING that I REALLY cannot stand, nor see any long term advantage for anyone, however, are the shonky dealings. Why some top breeders need to sell complete rubbish is beyond me all together. I personally am so sick of getting ripped off by one particular breeder over here after buying a few of his auction birds, that I refuse to ever consider a bird of his under any circumstance. This helps no-one out at all but unfortunately it's buyer beware (especially at an auction where you can't handle the birds) but I guess we learn who to trust and who not to trust - just like in life generally. I guess a novice only needs cop this a couple of times to become disillusioned though. My pledge to myself and others is that I will never sell a bird that I KNOW has a problem such as internal laying, tumours, feather cysts etc and I always tell people if a bird doesn't have flights or tail so that they can then make their own mind up about buying it or not. Any bird I've ever sold at auction has either bred successfully for me or has been unused (so are an unknown) and any non-breeders have been culled. Surely you can't get away with the practice of selling rubbish for too long before people walk away from your birds (as I've done with that one breeder over here) anyway, but people are people and there are all sorts out there.

 

Unfortunately my failing in the hobby is that I actually have a natural suspicion of beginners as I have seen many a person leave the hobby after buying up big and pledging their keenness. I really don't want to sell quality stock to people who then decide it's all too hard and then give it away. To me that's a complete and utter waste of my time and their money. My personal preference is to build alliances with people that I know and trust, whether that be novices or open breeders (whatever) and will gift birds where people have helped me out or where I see a need and feel the urge to help. I'm sorry but there are just some people that get right up my nose, that I will not help out even if they asked me nicely bet those are the ones that complain the loudest too. And I will stand by my desire to sell my quality birds for what I consider is a reasonable price considering what it would cost me to replace them and the amount of work and time that has been devoted to getting them to that quality.

Well said Nubbly

I have a friend who spent at least 1,600 dollars on 2 birds at aucton from a well none breeder and neither bird will breed for him, the cock hasn't filled an egg with any hen and the hen has been put with other cocks too which are fertile and nothing, I think these birds are 08 birds so the poor guy thinks he has waisted his money and he is only a beginner.

But then I believe beginners need to do the hard yard, work their birds up like when I first started my birds were tiny culls but from fairly good stock and then in came my wow bird, an 3 year old for $25.00 and he has set the standard for here.

Earlier this year I had a asked a breeder for some birds because his birds are based on a top breeder that I can't afford to buy from even though Bruce said he would sell me a pair at the end of this year but money is the problem and I never asked how much and I am guessing $1000.00 each so I that leaves me out but I will ask him one day how much because you never know.

BUT anyway this other breeder with Bruces bloodline, I had lined up to buy some and I was telling a few people about it as I was excited and they all warned me off saying that this breeder does not sell any bird that will breed. I thought that sucked as he would of been ripping off a beginner and his birds weren't cheap either.

BUT as you say Nubbly when you are dodgy it gets around.

Edited August 11, 201014 yr by KAZ

I know I have bought a couple of birds a short while ago from a top breeder...........one died within the week and the other, a cock feints in your hands when handled and breathes with crackly breathing. These were locally bought birds not interstate. I doubt I will ever get anything from him and if I did would it carry a genetic issue ? Surely this was known when it was put up for auction ? There was a time when quality birds were offered at auctions but lately it seems certain breeders are offering the dregs. I know it makes me think twice about buying from certain other breeders now too. We had a code of eithics spoken of when I first joined clubs here.........a code of ethics about selling birds. If the birds sold had issues the breeder would back up the sale and replace the bird. This sadly doesnt happen anymore but in a small minority of cases.

I was recently tackled on the fact I was buying from interstate.....copped some smartass whinging from an upper level breeder here who complained I sought birds interstate when there were good ones here. The very same breeder who tried selling me hens who scalped chicks and cocks who were split cinnamon and opaline when I needed normals for greywing breeding. The same breeder had over 500 birds he said he had trouble selling his culls from and that doors were being closed to auctions interstate. Doors will be closed to selling at interstate auctions if you keep sending cr*p.

Edited August 11, 201014 yr by KAZ

Here here I agree,

I hope my birds have bred for you Kaz.

I was at that show/ Auction too. I agree, next time we are all going to wear a green hat or something