Hi all

 

After 30 odd years I am back with a few budgies and just had my first babies. Back then there was just green and blue and if you were lucky you got a yellow. (I never was)

 

Could you help me with the following and sexes. I know the last one is green and I think they are all female!!! They are from the same parents.

 

1.

 

 

2.

 

 

3.

 

 

 

Thanks Steve

 

PS. The last 2 are for sale, the first we are keeping as a pet, appropriately named Sky by the wife.

All look like boys to me

 

First one is cinnamon spangle male

 

second one spangle male ( cant see back of bird or wing markings )

Third one spangle male

Fourth photo spangle male

last two olive males

 

 

knowing what parents are also helps :raincloud:

If all from same parents the parents have passed on some interesting genes.

Edited June 13, 201015 yr by KAZ

All look like boys to me

 

First one is cinnamon spangle male

 

second one spangle male ( cant see back of bird or wing markings )

Third one spangle male

Fourth photo spangle male

last two olive males

 

 

knowing what parents are also helps :raincloud:

If all from same parents the parents have passed on some interesting genes.

 

 

Thanks Kaz

 

Obviously I need to do a bit more training. There are three birds only, 2 photos of each. The father is the same as the first one (first 2 photos) and the mother is the same as the second baby (photo 3 and 4)

If this is true then both parents are spangles.....and in that case how do you explain the last baby ?

Have you photos of both parents and did you colony breed the budgies ?

If this is true then both parents are spangles.....and in that case how do you explain the last baby ?

Have you photos of both parents and did you colony breed the budgies ?

 

If both parents are spangles there is 25% normal, 50% spangle, 25% DF spangle chances for babies.

 

Babies:

 

Chick 1: Cinnamon sky blue male - If it is indeed a male, then the mother must be a cinnamon spangle green split blue and the cock must be a spangle blue split cinnamon (If the cock is not split cinnamon then this chick is a female, also if the hen is not cinnamon then again this chick is female and the cock must be split cinnamon).

 

Chick 2: Spangle (light?) green male

 

Chick 3: Normal olive male (If it is olive then both parents can only be a spangle cobalt cock split cinnamon and a cinnamon spangle dark green hen).

I can't add to anything said on mutations except two ae definately spangles. All are male I think. Males have a solid, pink cere while females are blue with a white over cast.

If this is true then both parents are spangles.....and in that case how do you explain the last baby ?

Have you photos of both parents and did you colony breed the budgies ?

 

 

Thanks again

 

Yes they were bred in an aviary. I have a pair of rogue green budgies that lay heaps of eggs (had 10 in the box the other day), so I guess what you are saying the third bird might be one of their babies. If need be I can get a picture of the parents over the next couple of days.

 

 

Steve

Breed in the avery,they could be by ZXY.out of PSQ.

If this is true then both parents are spangles.....and in that case how do you explain the last baby ?

Have you photos of both parents and did you colony breed the budgies ?

 

If both parents are spangles there is 25% normal, 50% spangle, 25% DF spangle chances for babies.

 

Babies:

 

Chick 1: Cinnamon sky blue male - If it is indeed a male, then the mother must be a cinnamon spangle green split blue and the cock must be a spangle blue split cinnamon (If the cock is not split cinnamon then this chick is a female, also if the hen is not cinnamon then again this chick is female and the cock must be split cinnamon).

 

Chick 2: Spangle (light?) green male

 

Chick 3: Normal olive male (If it is olive then both parents can only be a spangle cobalt cock split cinnamon and a cinnamon spangle dark green hen).

If both parents are spangles there is 25% normal, 50% spangle, 25% DF spangle chances for babies.

 

TRUE Dean :question: But now we know there is colony breeding involved it throws all of this out of the window :raincloud:

 

Any others could be involved.

 

BEDO..........you are going to have to post pictures of what you think the parents of thesE babies are and any other GUILTY CULPRITS

 

There are no guarantees as to fidelity in a colony breeding aviary.

Breed in the avery,they could be by ZXY.out of PSQ.

 

Couldnt have said it better. All my careful thinking and explaining, only to hear its a colony setting bwahaha

Breed in the avery,they could be by ZXY.out of PSQ. :rofl:

 

Couldnt have said it better. All my careful thinking and explaining, only to hear its a colony setting bwahaha

I learned a lot from your explanation.

Thanks for all that, sorry about the hassle, things have changed alot since I was a young bloke.

 

Next time I will prepare a bit better.

 

 

Steve

Thanks for all that, sorry about the hassle, things have changed alot since I was a young bloke.

 

Next time I will prepare a bit better.

 

 

Steve

Can you post some pictures of the possible parents Steve

why is everyone willing to rule out that these three chicks are from the parents stated, not all colony breedings are mixed. The results are normal for a pairing like this.

why is everyone willing to rule out that these three chicks are from the parents stated, not all colony breedings are mixed. The results are normal for a pairing like this.

Not ruling anything out but it would be great to see pictures of the parents which hasnt happened yet

Its all educational for any of us learning genetics

Edited June 15, 201015 yr by KAZ

Breed in the avery,they could be by ZXY.out of PSQ.

i love it :grouphug:

They all look like males to me .

:grouphug:

Thanks for all that, sorry about the hassle, things have changed alot since I was a young bloke.

 

Next time I will prepare a bit better.

 

 

Steve

Can you post some pictures of the possible parents Steve :grouphug:

 

 

Hi Kaz

 

Here are the pics of the parents, they are the best I good get

 

First 2 are the mother

 

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae60/al...rds/mother2.jpg

 

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae60/al...rds/mother1.jpg

 

next 2 are the father

 

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae60/al...s/father1-1.jpg

 

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae60/al...s/father2-1.jpg

Edited June 28, 201015 yr by KAZ
PLEASE edit photos to allowable sizes of 480 by 640 BEFORE posting so staff dont have to change them to links.

Olive green baby could well have come from these parents. Hen is an opaline spangle dark green and cock is cobalt spangle - All chicks shown could be from them. Cock must be split for cinnamon and first chick (if indeed from these parents) must be a hen. But as stated before colony means no holds barred and anyone in there could be a "parent".

This is pretty much the parentage I described in my earlier post. The most logical assumption based on the chicks was that the cock was a SF spangle cobalt split cinnamon and the hen was a SF spangle dark green. The fact that she is spangle opaline doesnt really have any bearing on the chicks (except the cocks are obviously split for it) as it couldnt have affected the offspring visually unless the cock bird was also split opaline.

 

I would say it is almost completely likely these are the sole parents (although you cant be 100% sure in colony setting).