Here is a little genetics learning curve for you guys.

The results of this pairing gives me a little more information than what I had to start with.

 

 

 

Cinnamon Grey Green cock X Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey Green hen

 

 

1. Cinnamon Sky Blue

 

2. Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey Green

 

3. Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey

 

Post what you think is the extra information that these chicks have revealed.

Edited June 11, 201015 yr by RIPbudgies

They are both split blue.

you havent said what sex the chicks are

Actually the sex is irrelevant in this case.

They are both split blue.

 

Not only that, but each parent can have no more than one dark factor, since the chick has zero dark factor.

 

The father is split for opaline.

The cock bird would have to be split Opaline to produce any visual Opalines

They are both split blue.

 

Not only that, but each parent can have no more than one dark factor, since the chick has zero dark factor.

 

The father is split for opaline.

only one Parent has a dark factor (as you cant get sky blue with two one factor darkfactor carrying birds )

yes both split blue

and dad / Opaline

i hate these rip as something really obvious i bet and i bet i missed it or got this wrong

Everybody is doing great.

 

So far:

 

Yes dad is split Opaline

Yes both parents are split for blue

 

GB you on the slops again. If both parents had 1 dark factor there is a 25% chance of producing a Sky Blue. So far though these results do not shed any light on that part of there genetic make-up.

 

One more thing to find.

Everybody is doing great.

 

So far:

 

Yes dad is split Opaline

Yes both parents are split for blue

 

GB you on the slops again. If both parents had 1 dark factor there is a 25% chance of producing a Sky Blue. So far though these results do not shed any light on that part of there genetic make-up.

 

One more thing to find.

you know me too well

im getting really **** with genetics of late but im really good at drinking

okay i will come back tonight when im bit more with it

see what i missed

 

yes two none dark carrying factor birds cant produce anything but a lnone dark factor

but a one single and one no darkfactor or one light and one dd for that fact can produce sky i think :hap:

just smack me with hammer if i got that wrong rip

Edited June 12, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

okay i been on the coffee and no i cant think what it tells you

exept that

the birds are both split blue

and the fathers / to opaline

possibly that

pulling at strings here lol

one peront was either grey and one green

or one blue and one greygreen

oh that one the chicks looks like this :hap: lol i give up rip

Here is a little genetics learning curve for you guys.

The results of this pairing gives me a little more information than what I had to start with.

 

 

 

Cinnamon Grey Green cock X Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey Green hen

 

 

1. Cinnamon Sky Blue

 

2. Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey Green

 

3. Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey

 

Post what you think is the extra information that these chicks have revealed.

 

Both parents split for blue

Both parents only single factor grey

Cock split opaline

 

Edit: As far as dark factors go its possible that both parents have zero or both have one. Or one parent may be zero DF, the other having one.

Edited June 12, 201015 yr by Dean_NZ

Here is a little genetics learning curve for you guys.

The results of this pairing gives me a little more information than what I had to start with.

 

 

 

Cinnamon Grey Green cock X Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey Green hen

 

 

1. Cinnamon Sky Blue

 

2. Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey Green

 

3. Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey

 

Post what you think is the extra information that these chicks have revealed.

 

Both parents split for blue

Both parents only single factor grey

Cock split opaline

 

Edit: As far as dark factors go its possible that both parents have zero or both have one. Or one parent may be zero DF, the other having one.

thats what i said

:hap: to start

I thought DF greys are grey and unless you could see some blue suffusion you would have to wait to see what they produced to establish wether they were SF or DF greys. I always thought my grey greens of having just a single factor grey. Am i wrong?

I thought DF greys are grey and unless you could see some blue suffusion you would have to wait to see what they produced to establish wether they were SF or DF greys. I always thought my grey greens of having just a single factor grey. Am i wrong?

 

im scarred to say anything now lol

but df grey will only give all grey chicks

were talking about the factors as in light medum and dark not dd (double dark)

I thought DF greys are grey and unless you could see some blue suffusion you would have to wait to see what they produced to establish wether they were SF or DF greys. I always thought my grey greens of having just a single factor grey. Am i wrong?

 

Grey is a complete dominant mutation, so there is no visual differences between single and double factor - eg double and single factor greys (white base) are identical, as are single and double factor grey greens (yellow base).

 

Therefore any grey or grey green offspring produced by two single factor grey or grey green parents have a 25% chance of being double factor which you cant be sure of until you test breed. Double factors produce only grey/greygreen chicks.

 

The fact this pair have produced a sky blue proves neither of them is has a double dose of the grey gene.

 

Edit: I dont think blue suffusion is any indication of anything really, irregardless of single or double factor grey being present.

Edited June 13, 201015 yr by Dean_NZ

I thought DF greys are grey and unless you could see some blue suffusion you would have to wait to see what they produced to establish wether they were SF or DF greys. I always thought my grey greens of having just a single factor grey. Am i wrong?

 

Grey is a complete dominant mutation, so there is no visual differences between single and double factor - eg double and single factor greys (white base) are identical, as are single and double factor grey greens (yellow base).

 

Therefore any grey or grey green offspring produced by two single factor grey or grey green parents have a 25% chance of being double factor which you cant be sure of until you test breed. Double factors produce only grey/greygreen chicks.

 

The fact this pair have produced a sky blue proves neither of them is has a double dose of the grey gene.

 

Edit: I dont think blue suffusion is any indication of anything really, irregardless of single or double factor grey being present.

 

Very well explained Dean. I agree the about the blue suffusion. That comes downs to feather structure, depth of colour, pigment quality and quantity.

 

As soon as the first chick begun to feather and I saw it was a Sky Blue I immediately knew that both parents were sf Grey and also split for Blue.

 

Once the down of the second chick came through and I saw it was white I knew I had an Opaline. As the hen is Opaline she can only pass it onto her sons. Since they will only inherit one Opaline gene they will not show it. So to get a visual Opaline in this nest the father has to be split for it.

 

Going with the orignal visual identity of the birds I was expecting to get Cinnamon Normals, Cinnamon Spangle in either Grey Green or Green. I was not expecting Blue but I did suspect Opaline as most cocks are these days. As for the Grey factor I am happy they are both sf Greys but I am still no wiser as to the dark factor.

 

So going into the second round I now expect get similar to the first round. If I do not get any birds with a dark factor I will amend the parents to assume they are thus:

 

Cock: from Cinnamon Grey Green to>>> Cinnamon sf Grey (Light) Green/Opaline, Blue

Hen: from Spangle Opaline Cinnamon Grey Green to>>> Spangle Opaline Cinnamon sf Grey (Light) Green/Blue

 

The word Light is placed in brackets as it is still not be ascertained that they are Light Greens. Further breeding will provide answers.

The draw back about the cock is that now I know he is split for Opaline he may well not be used over the Black Eye hens as was my intention later. Lets see what happens down the track.