I have two new budgies. Could you please tell me what gender and mutations they are?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, both female.

1# yf t2 sky blue rec pied

2#grey spangle rec pied

I think they are both female. Don't take my word for it though.

Thank you. What does 't2' stand for. Why is it a sky blue when the bird is green, yellow and white?

Can anyone help with the gender? Thank you.

t2 means type two.

 

First is a yellowface type two recessive pied hen. There is also a good chance of opaline as well but the almost complete lack of wing markings makes it difficult to say for sure, but the presence of some body colour is a good indicator that it is there.

 

The other one is a recessive pied spangle grey. Looks like a cock in the first photo and hen in the last few photos so you will need a clearer picture of the cere to be sure.

Thank you for your help, Dean.

I am satisfied that the grey bird is a hen because there is white on the cere.

There is no white on the yellow face's cere, though I could not get a photo which made that clear. The first picture shows the colour which is uniform over the whole cere. It is young, so I thought it could be a cock.

its a golden face sky blue spangle opaline hen

and if its not 5 to 6ix months i say a dom pied

if it is older or that age its rec but looks dom to me

 

 

the other one is grey rec pied spangle

The first one's pied type is dominant not recessive. The way the body colour is distributed shows that it is dominant pied

Thank you very much, GB and Neville. :angel:

 

I did not mind the golden face being a hen but I was very disappointed that she was recessive because I do not have a recessive cock. I did want her because she is so like what I want to breed. She is only young. I shall definitely keep her now.

I don't need another recessive hen so I will only keep the grey one for the quarantine period to keep the yellow face company. If someone would like the grey, pm me. She is very sweet and will sit on your hand.

Duhr. How could I have missed that one. Clear band is on the belly not the chest. Woopsy! Blond moment :angel: Nice pickup guys :angel:

Bird #1 is a y/f t2 skyblue hen and i thin it is dom pied (clear band across chest)

 

and cathy it is green in appearance as the yf (yellow face) type 2 bleeds the yellow colouring into the body feather

its is known as yellow suffusion

 

im sad to hear your not keeping bird no #2 it is a cuite!!

 

 

oh and does anyone else think that bird no.# 1 might be a dilute??? i think it looks quite light in colour?

Bird #1 is a y/f t2 skyblue hen and i thin it is dom pied (clear band across chest)

 

and cathy it is green in appearance as the yf (yellow face) type 2 bleeds the yellow colouring into the body feather

its is known as yellow suffusion

 

im sad to hear your not keeping bird no #2 it is a cuite!!

 

 

oh and does anyone else think that bird no.# 1 might be a dilute??? i think it looks quite light in colour?

I agree with the bird being dom pied and I also think maybe cinnamon spangle is involved too.

Bird #1 is a y/f t2 skyblue hen and i thin it is dom pied (clear band across chest)

 

and cathy it is green in appearance as the yf (yellow face) type 2 bleeds the yellow colouring into the body feather

its is known as yellow suffusion

 

im sad to hear your not keeping bird no #2 it is a cuite!!

 

 

oh and does anyone else think that bird no.# 1 might be a dilute??? i think it looks quite light in colour?

I agree with the bird being dom pied and I also think maybe cinnamon spangle is involved too.

 

its not dilute its if anything cin like kaz suggests and its not t2 yellow face its australian golden face single factor sky blue

dom pied oplaine spangle

golden face as its already turned green type 2 it would still be mainly blue under tail area

Bird #1 is a y/f t2 skyblue hen and i thin it is dom pied (clear band across chest)and cathy it is green in appearance as the yf (yellow face) type 2 bleeds the yellow colouring into the body featherits is known as yellow suffusion Thank you for clearing that up, alpaca-boy.im sad to hear your not keeping bird no #2 it is a cuite!! Yes, she is nice. I do not have room to just keep extra budgies, unfortunately. I am wanting to breed rainbow pieds and, seeing that I have got some nice dom pieds, I want to stay with them. I will see that she goes to a good home. I think she will make a nice pet. As I said, I'll look after her for the month and if a member on BBC can rehome her, that is all to the good.oh and does anyone else think that bird no.# 1 might be a dilute??? i think it looks quite light in colour?

I agree with the bird being dom pied and I also think maybe cinnamon spangle is involved too. Thank you, Kaz. I feel that I have an interesting little bird. :angel:

its not dilute its if anything cin like kaz suggests and its not t2 yellow face its australian golden face single factor sky blue dom pied oplaine spangle golden face as its already turned green type 2 it would still be mainly blue under tail area

Thank you, GenericBlue. Wow! Australian golden face single factor sky blue dominant pied opaline spangle (and maybe some cinnamon spangle)! I have had to write that down. I will be booking her into the avian vet for tests. I am going to memorise that for when I book her in and am going to enjoy telling them that. :)Thank you very much to everyone for your input. I do appreciate it.

Edited June 6, 201014 yr by KAZ
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Duhr. How could I have missed that one. Clear band is on the belly not the chest. Woopsy! Blond moment :redalbino: Nice pickup guys

I have difficulty understanding how breeders can be confused with dominant & recessive pieds. I have bred so many that they look totally different to me

Bird #1 is a y/f t2 skyblue hen and i thin it is dom pied (clear band across chest)and cathy it is green in appearance as the yf (yellow face) type 2 bleeds the yellow colouring into the body featherits is known as yellow suffusion Thank you for clearing that up, alpaca-boy.im sad to hear your not keeping bird no #2 it is a cuite!! Yes, she is nice. I do not have room to just keep extra budgies, unfortunately. I am wanting to breed rainbow pieds and, seeing that I have got some nice dom pieds, I want to stay with them. I will see that she goes to a good home. I think she will make a nice pet. As I said, I'll look after her for the month and if a member on BBC can rehome her, that is all to the good.oh and does anyone else think that bird no.# 1 might be a dilute??? i think it looks quite light in colour?

I agree with the bird being dom pied and I also think maybe cinnamon spangle is involved too. Thank you, Kaz. I feel that I have an interesting little bird. :redalbino:

its not dilute its if anything cin like kaz suggests and its not t2 yellow face its australian golden face single factor sky blue dom pied oplaine spangle golden face as its already turned green type 2 it would still be mainly blue under tail area

Thank you, GenericBlue. Wow! Australian golden face single factor sky blue dominant pied opaline spangle (and maybe some cinnamon spangle)! I have had to write that down. I will be booking her into the avian vet for tests. I am going to memorise that for when I book her in and am going to enjoy telling them that. :)Thank you very much to everyone for your input. I do appreciate it.

 

 

its either cinnamon or its not

you will be able to tell as cinnamon is brown and ifits normal it will be faint black

so for fun

it could be

 

a,.. cinnamon agf sf sky blue dominant pied Opaline spangle

or just a ,..

agf sf sky blue dominant pied Opaline spangle

i will say one thing though

split her to a albino cock and you will get some beautiful babys

and better in the second generation

Thank you, GenericBlue. I do not have an albino cock, but I do have one which is all white. Would a pairing of those two be good?

Thank you, GenericBlue. I do not have an albino cock, but I do have one which is all white. Would a pairing of those two be good?

 

so its a df spangle ????

which makes it blue serried

so you would get same out come as you would with a albino except instead of ayf sf / albino cocks you would get

ayf sf df spangles and spangles hens and cocks

and dompied spangles hens and cocks and df spangle dompieds hens and cocks

and depending if the df spangle cock is opaline or not you would get if he was ,... opaline spangle dom pieds

and opaline spangles and opaline df spangles and opaline df dompied spangles

if hes not opaline your cocks would be split opaline (from mum ) but no opaline chicks in nest

and if shes cinnamon you would get all cocks split cinnamon as well as opaline

and if the cocks / opaline you will get opaline hens in nest with all the othr goodys

and oh theirs just one more if hes split cin you will get cinnamon hens

and if split cin and opaline the hens will be opaline cin or opaline or normal

ive probbly missed something like i cant remember if a split cock can get you a cock of a sex linked with a sex linked hen

i forget to tell truth

i dont think so but dont take my word on that

but as you can see lots of opatunity for beautiful chicks

also depending if hes masking sky or cobalt depends on colour out come

your best to put a cobalt or a violet ever a mauve to a sky blue for the most colour out comes cause light blue n light blue equals yep light blue

 

also you wont get albino hens

Edited June 7, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

GB .... why would pairing a albino with this birde produce good chicks??

 

does albino blood lines enhance feather quality like cinnamons?

Thank you, GenericBlue. I do not have an albino cock, but I do have one which is all white. Would a pairing of those two be good?

 

so its a df spangle ????

which makes it blue serried

so you would get same out come as you would with a albino except instead of ayf sf / albino cocks you would get

ayf sf df spangles and spangles hens and cocks

and dompied spangles hens and cocks and df spangle dompieds hens and cocks

and depending if the df spangle cock is opaline or not you would get if he was ,... opaline spangle dom pieds

and opaline spangles and opaline df spangles and opaline df dompied spangles

if hes not opaline your cocks would be split opaline (from mum ) but no opaline chicks in nest

and if shes cinnamon you would get all cocks split cinnamon as well as opaline

and if the cocks / opaline you will get opaline hens in nest with all the othr goodys

and oh theirs just one more if hes split cin you will get cinnamon hens

and if split cin and opaline the hens will be opaline cin or opaline or normal

ive probbly missed something like i cant remember if a split cock can get you a cock of a sex linked with a sex linked hen

i forget to tell truth

i dont think so but dont take my word on that

but as you can see lots of opatunity for beautiful chicks

also depending if hes masking sky or cobalt depends on colour out come

your best to put a cobalt or a violet ever a mauve to a sky blue for the most colour out comes cause light blue n light blue equals yep light blue

 

also you wont get albino hens

 

:redalbino: Oh, GenericBlue, I am sorry, I have no idea what that all means. Thank you for such a lovely detailed reply. All I want to do is breed pretty rainbow pieds. I do not know the background of my white budgie, Beau. He is about 8 or 9 months old now. Here is a picture of him. (The hen on the right of the picture came from Liv.) He does not have red eyes. They are a dark plum colour.

 

Thank you, GenericBlue. I do not have an albino cock, but I do have one which is all white. Would a pairing of those two be good?

 

so its a df spangle ????

which makes it blue serried

so you would get same out come as you would with a albino except instead of ayf sf / albino cocks you would get

ayf sf df spangles and spangles hens and cocks

and dompied spangles hens and cocks and df spangle dompieds hens and cocks

and depending if the df spangle cock is opaline or not you would get if he was ,... opaline spangle dom pieds

and opaline spangles and opaline df spangles and opaline df dompied spangles

if hes not opaline your cocks would be split opaline (from mum ) but no opaline chicks in nest

and if shes cinnamon you would get all cocks split cinnamon as well as opaline

and if the cocks / opaline you will get opaline hens in nest with all the othr goodys

and oh theirs just one more if hes split cin you will get cinnamon hens

and if split cin and opaline the hens will be opaline cin or opaline or normal

ive probbly missed something like i cant remember if a split cock can get you a cock of a sex linked with a sex linked hen

i forget to tell truth

i dont think so but dont take my word on that

but as you can see lots of opatunity for beautiful chicks

also depending if hes masking sky or cobalt depends on colour out come

your best to put a cobalt or a violet ever a mauve to a sky blue for the most colour out comes cause light blue n light blue equals yep light blue

 

also you wont get albino hens

 

:rofl: Oh, GenericBlue, I am sorry, I have no idea what that all means. Thank you for such a lovely detailed reply. All I want to do is breed pretty rainbow pieds. I do not know the background of my white budgie, Beau. He is about 8 or 9 months old now. Here is a picture of him. (The hen on the right of the picture came from Liv.) He does not have red eyes. They are a dark plum colour.

 

 

 

its cool i was just writing the possible out comes

put it this way they will mostly be rainbow colours but if you want to breed real rainbows

then you need to get two clear wings a cock and a hen

and cut out cinnamon

however i breed the exact same bird you have in violet and in cobalt and sky all cinnamon and some norms and they were lovley but you need rec pied harliquin sorry yf cobalt to get best rezults

 

i will hunt my pics down and post some my out comes and their pairings for you

 

 

and no albino does not inhance feather quality just they seem to make the chicks more pastle when breed with dom pied cins and the bonis is you get albino chicks too

I see. Genericblue. Thank you. I actually do have a harlequin recessive pied hen.

 

who is also australian golden face single factor sky blue rec pied

 

you have the first step to breeding rainbow rec pied

like this

theirs a golden face single factor rec pied cock here in this picture and a golden face single factor dom pied cinnamon opaline violet hen if you want doms its same process only doms are going to show straight way in nest 50 /50 percent

 

 

 

i paired two pairs , first pair was this hen

and this cock the second pair was a same breeding but oposet sex (pied was hen cock was skyviolet)

and i got these chicks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

then from though chicks i bred the most beautiful pied and normal birds of the most lovely lilac and blues yf and ll beautiful

as all the chicks were split receive pied and when i paired the other pairs chicks together with these chicks the colours were divine

 

some examples

 

 

 

 

 

through clearwing into that mix and beautiful

AWESOME! GenericBlue, thank you! :rofl: So, I need a harlequin recessive pied cock and I am away. I have got the others in your pictures.

Those chicks are fantastic! It would be so hard to part with any of them!

AWESOME! GenericBlue, thank you! :rofl: So, I need a harlequin recessive pied cock and I am away. I have got the others in your pictures.

Those chicks are fantastic! It would be so hard to part with any of them!

 

 

yes its enough to want to give up the show breeding all the lovley rezults

you must have a cobalt though as sky and sky violet wont give you the veriation you want still pretty though

i just relized i put up a picture of grand son not dad they looked spitting image only dad was cobalt not sky