Posted May 24, 201015 yr hi all! well from what i know mauve is a d/f of blue it is 2 d/f to create mauve BUT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAUVE AND GREY? as i though that mauve looked grey so people just called it grey? i went on this site that dsaid it was a colour adding factor like violet! but violet only changes the shade of blue to make it purplish, yet you can still tell if its a cobalt or violet but grey? can a bird be sky blue, but have this grey factor thing, or is it just grey as in the base colour would be grey not sky with grey on top like violets? please help me someone. im very confused :ohmygod: alpaca-boy
May 24, 201015 yr hi all! well from what i know mauve is a d/f of blue it is 2 d/f to create mauve BUT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAUVE AND GREY? as i though that mauve looked grey so people just called it grey? i went on this site that dsaid it was a colour adding factor like violet! but violet only changes the shade of blue to make it purplish, yet you can still tell if its a cobalt or violet but grey? can a bird be sky blue, but have this grey factor thing, or is it just grey as in the base colour would be grey not sky with grey on top like violets? please help me someone. im very confused :ohmygod: alpaca-boy The way I understand it is: Grey is color adding like violet, but grey is much stronger than violet, completely overriding the base color making it difficult to distinguish it's original color. There are 6 different variations of grey - skyblue grey, cobalt grey, mauve grey, grey green, medium green-grey, and olive grey, as well as I'm SURE many varieties of each category. So, determining the exact base color of a bird that also displays the grey gene can be difficult. Concerning the difference between mauve and grey: Grey is a bird that does not show any blue in it's coloring when you look at it with the naked eye, even though it's base color could be blue. A mauve bird is a blue with 2 dark factors. Dark factors do not change the original color, but only darken it, so you should be able to see some blue mixed with what appears to be grey. Also, grey birds have a distinctly grey cheek patch, whereas mauve does not. Grey is a strong gene, and it's easily passed on genetically. This is why it should be bred carefully since adding grey to many mutations really destroys it's best qualities. Once grey is in your line, it can be easily passed on. In some cases, grey is good for outcrossing to enhance color, such as in the Texas Clearbody. It is my understanding that grey should pretty much be avoided when breeding the green based birds as it's not very desirable. Having said all that, I'm not a breeder really - a pair I have is sitting on a clutch - my FIRST clutch ever of budgies but I have a tremendous interest in genetics, so I've read quite a bit about this. Hope I help a little!!
May 24, 201015 yr name='SftWrmRain' date='May 25 2010, 02:46' post='345056'] name='alpaca-boy' post='345046' date='May 24 2010, 07:09']hi all! well from what i know mauve is a d/f of blue it is 2 d/f to create mauve BUT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAUVE AND GREY? as i though that mauve looked grey so people just called it grey? i went on this site that dsaid it was a colour adding factor like violet! but violet only changes the shade of blue to make it purplish, yet you can still tell if its a cobalt or violet but grey? can a bird be sky blue, but have this grey factor thing, or is it just grey as in the base colour would be grey not sky with grey on top like violets? please help me someone. im very confused :ohmygod: alpaca-boy The way I understand it is: Grey is color adding like violet, but grey is much stronger than violet, completely overriding the base color making it difficult to distinguish it's original color. There are 6 different variations of grey - skyblue grey, cobalt grey, mauve grey, grey green, medium green-grey, and olive grey, as well as I'm SURE many varieties of each category. So, determining the exact base color of a bird that also displays the grey gene can be difficult. Concerning the difference between mauve and grey: Grey is a bird that does not show any blue in it's coloring when you look at it with the naked eye, even though it's base color could be blue. A mauve bird is a blue with 2 dark factors. Dark factors do not change the original color, but only darken it, so you should be able to see some blue mixed with what appears to be grey. Also, grey birds have a distinctly grey cheek patch, whereas mauve does not. but i beg to differ on cheek patch thing in my understanding of my own breeding out comes a grey bird with what they call french blue cheek patches is a grey bird breed from a blue and grey pairing meaning the grey bird is more than likely to produce you blue chicks as well as grey at a higher rate than say a grey bird with grey check patches to a blue bird if that makes sence a grey bird breed from two greys with grey cheeks will also have grey cheek patches a greybird breed to a grey bird one with grey cheeks one with french blue could pass on the blue/grey colouring and chicks could have french blue or grey cheek patches this may make no sence but if you know how to understand me you will know what im meaning the stuff SftWrmRain said this is exactlly what i could never have got out but is true Edited May 24, 201015 yr by GenericBlue
May 25, 201015 yr Dark factor is partial dominant meaning in either blue (white based) or green (yellow base), there is a difference in the colour of a zero dark factor (sky blue, light green), a single dark factor (cobalt, dark green) and a double dark factor (mauve and olive green) bird. This is because a single factor is partially dominant to normal, and double factor is expressed even more (ie more dominant over the normal colour). Violet is also a partial dominant, but it is a colour MODIFYER. The violet gene changes the feather structure so that it reflects light a bit differently - allowing for the 'purple' colour. This is why the effect is more noticable in blues - because you are working from a colour closer to violet/purple anyway, its effect is very easy to see in double factor violet skies or single and double factor cobalts. When you have a dark coloured bird to start with, the violet becomes a lot harder to see on a dark base - thus in green and mauve birds it typically 'darkens' the bird rather than making it look purple. On the flip side, the sky blue is not 'dark enough' to bring out the purple colour with only a single violet gene - you end up with a bird that looks like a very nicely coloured cobalt that is only distinguishable by its primary tail feathers (they remain teal/aqua colour associated with only sky blues tails as opposed to the navy blue of cobalts/mauves). The grey gene is a colour adding gene (if memory serves). IT IS A COMPLETE DOMINANT gene. Therefore single factor and double factor greys are visually indistinguishable from eachother. Im not sure if I agree with GB about the cheek patches as all my greys have had the typical grey/slateblue cheek patches except for my one violet grey boy who had a purple cheek patch. Cheek patches could have no bearing on whether a grey bird throws more or less greys/blues in a nest of chicks. It is simply 50/50 from a single factor grey, and 100% from a double factor grey. As with any 50/50 gene, you could have a grey cock and a blue hen and a nest full of greys one round, then a nest full of blues the next. If he never throws anything but greys he must be double factor. I have noted however that some breeders believe there has been a sort of crossover from breeding greys to blues and some of their greys have blue cheek patches. If I was to take a guess, I would suspect this is because they have some violet floating around in their greys or blues they have not picked up on because even today many many breeders are terrible at recognising violets with the exception of those blatantly purple violet cobalts (violet greens, violet greys and violet sky blues go unnoticed largely). So going back to your question. What is the difference between grey and mauve? Simple and yet not so simple lol. Mauve is a double dose of dark factor that darkens the blue to a husky 'midnight blue', a slatey blue that you might say 'looks grey'. However a mauve will have a violet cheek patch and a navy blue tail. A grey will (or at least should) never have a blue tail - they typically have grey cheek patches and ALWAYS have BLACK primary tail feathers no matter the dark or violet factor. Can you have a mauve grey? Yes. But differentiating light/normal/dark greys can be difficult as each variety varies in its colour intensity. We all have outstandingly coloured cobalts, and some cobalts that are pale and dull looking and might be mistaken for sky blues with deep colour, so it is with dark factor greys. Hard to tell apart as you cant use the primary tail feathers to distinguish dark factors. Can you have a violet grey? Yes I have a thread about just that - and at first everyone told me he was a mauve. But then we slowly figured out that with a violet cobalt cock and a light grey hen you cant get any mauves. Plus he had a violet cheek patch and a black tail, so it soon became obvious he was a violet grey (which looked for all intents and purposes like a mauve). Can you have a violet mauve? Yes. I think I may have one in the nest now, its an amazing colour and I havent yet bred a mauve so I dont have any memories to compare it to. Its parents are BOTH single factor violet cobalt yellowface type ones so lookout for future pictures...
May 25, 201015 yr Dark factor is partial dominant meaning in either blue (white based) or green (yellow base), there is a difference in the colour of a zero dark factor (sky blue, light green), a single dark factor (cobalt, dark green) and a double dark factor (mauve and olive green) bird. This is because a single factor is partially dominant to normal, and double factor is expressed even more (ie more dominant over the normal colour). Violet is also a partial dominant, but it is a colour MODIFYER. The violet gene changes the feather structure so that it reflects light a bit differently - allowing for the 'purple' colour. This is why the effect is more noticable in blues - because you are working from a colour closer to violet/purple anyway, its effect is very easy to see in double factor violet skies or single and double factor cobalts. When you have a dark coloured bird to start with, the violet becomes a lot harder to see on a dark base - thus in green and mauve birds it typically 'darkens' the bird rather than making it look purple. On the flip side, the sky blue is not 'dark enough' to bring out the purple colour with only a single violet gene - you end up with a bird that looks like a very nicely coloured cobalt that is only distinguishable by its primary tail feathers (they remain teal/aqua colour associated with only sky blues tails as opposed to the navy blue of cobalts/mauves). The grey gene is a colour adding gene (if memory serves). IT IS A COMPLETE DOMINANT gene. Therefore single factor and double factor greys are visually indistinguishable from eachother. Im not sure if I agree with GB about the cheek patches as all my greys have had the typical grey/slateblue cheek patches except for my one violet grey boy who had a purple cheek patch. Cheek patches could have no bearing on whether a grey bird throws more or less greys/blues in a nest of chicks. It is simply 50/50 from a single factor grey, and 100% from a double factor grey. As with any 50/50 gene, you could have a grey cock and a blue hen and a nest full of greys one round, then a nest full of blues the next. If he never throws anything but greys he must be double factor. I have noted however that some breeders believe there has been a sort of crossover from breeding greys to blues and some of their greys have blue cheek patches. If I was to take a guess, I would suspect this is because they have some violet floating around in their greys or blues they have not picked up on because even today many many breeders are terrible at recognising violets with the exception of those blatantly purple violet cobalts (violet greens, violet greys and violet sky blues go unnoticed largely). So going back to your question. What is the difference between grey and mauve? Simple and yet not so simple lol. Mauve is a double dose of dark factor that darkens the blue to a husky 'midnight blue', a slatey blue that you might say 'looks grey'. However a mauve will have a violet cheek patch and a navy blue tail. A grey will (or at least should) never have a blue tail - they typically have grey cheek patches and ALWAYS have BLACK primary tail feathers no matter the dark or violet factor. Can you have a mauve grey? Yes. But differentiating light/normal/dark greys can be difficult as each variety varies in its colour intensity. We all have outstandingly coloured cobalts, and some cobalts that are pale and dull looking and might be mistaken for sky blues with deep colour, so it is with dark factor greys. Hard to tell apart as you cant use the primary tail feathers to distinguish dark factors. Can you have a violet grey? Yes I have a thread about just that - and at first everyone told me he was a mauve. But then we slowly figured out that with a violet cobalt cock and a light grey hen you cant get any mauves. Plus he had a violet cheek patch and a black tail, so it soon became obvious he was a violet grey (which looked for all intents and purposes like a mauve). Can you have a violet mauve? Yes. I think I may have one in the nest now, its an amazing colour and I havent yet bred a mauve so I dont have any memories to compare it to. Its parents are BOTH single factor violet cobalt yellowface type ones so lookout for future pictures... I have noted however that some breeders believe there has been a sort of crossover from breeding greys to blues and some of their greys have blue cheek patches. If I was to take a guess, I would suspect this is because they have some violet floating around in their greys or blues they have not picked up on because even today many many breeders are terrible at recognising violets with the exception of those blatantly purple violet cobalts (violet greens, violet greys and violet sky blues go unnoticed largely). these are the blue greys im taking about dean and i was one the ones who said your bird was violet grey i just couldnt explain it lol as this i really sould just leave all the explaining to you guys and just agree on what i belive true and for recorld this is a great explination of all the grey violet and mauve factors thumbs up dean
May 25, 201015 yr Author Can you have a violet mauve? Yes. I think I may have one in the nest now, its an amazing colour and I havent yet bred a mauve so I dont have any memories to compare it to. Its parents are BOTH single factor violet cobalt yellowface type ones so lookout for future pictures... CANT WAIT TO SEE YOUR VIOLET MAUVE !!! SOUNDS NICE AS THE TWO THINGS I REALLY WANT AT THE MOMENT ARE A VIOLET AND A MAUVE ! so its like getting two for the price of one ! it must be a fantastically unusual colour i really hope you post pictures of them dean! be sure to put them up and thankyou so much for the interesting and educating information! and thanks sft wrm rain and gb for your help too !
May 25, 201015 yr Can you have a violet mauve? Yes. I think I may have one in the nest now, its an amazing colour and I havent yet bred a mauve so I dont have any memories to compare it to. Its parents are BOTH single factor violet cobalt yellowface type ones so lookout for future pictures... CANT WAIT TO SEE YOUR VIOLET MAUVE !!! SOUNDS NICE AS THE TWO THINGS I REALLY WANT AT THE MOMENT ARE A VIOLET AND A MAUVE ! so its like getting two for the price of one ! it must be a fantastically unusual colour i really hope you post pictures of them dean! be sure to put them up and thankyou so much for the interesting and educating information! and thanks sft wrm rain and gb for your help too ! i wasnt much help lol
May 31, 201015 yr Here are some pics of the mauve baby if anyone is interested. It feathered up looking quite similar in colour to the violet grey I have posted about earlier. It has deep violet cheek patches and a dark navy blue tail. I know its a mauve, but I havent bred one before so im not confident in being able to say whether its a normal coloured mauve or a violet mauve perhaps?
May 31, 201015 yr Author im not sure either but its a cutie... it is a deep mauve colour, so maybe it is a violet mauve as the violet would be like adding a dark factor making it a darker shade of mauve very nice dean, thanks for the pics :hap: and it has a stripey beak?! Edited May 31, 201015 yr by alpaca-boy
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