hi everyone

as most of you may know from reading past posts of mine

ive had troubles with my birds from time to time all unexplainable

 

ive had 5 autopsy s done over period of time trying to find out what has killed if anything my birds and all of them came back with nothing

except the last one which was in my view weird in its self

 

i have put it down to my aviary on a few occasions but have been told it couldn't be it i have been told its a good little set up

 

until now

 

i have done everything thats been suggested to me to fix the problem

this includes

 

first i moved my aviary and faced it north

second i brought stainless steel messing for bottom to mouse proof and fox proof snake proof *** its even chainsaw proof and pop riverted it to the bottom of shed so nothing can get in

then i layed down white sand and terracotta pavers on top of that

i then filled in all the cracks with white cement

theirs ventilation holes all along the roof and on the outside on top a topping for the holes to stop the rain from getting in with enough height for the air flow to stay good

i went around the whole aviary with silicon filler on outside as so birds cant get to it and filled any little hole possible air space extra

i put wood strip ondoor at top and bottom to prevent draft their

i then brought a shade sail to put over top to stop cold from getting straight to roof

i brought shaded cloth pull down blind 50 percent block coverage for night to block out wind

then when that didnt work i make wooden frames and shade clothed them and i made one for front to put up at night with breathable cling wrap industrial strength

 

and still birds were dieing from ?????

apparently draft i mean their is nooooooooo draft getting in their :rofl:

 

and im soooo lost now with what to do

im almost ready go back to breeding my pet type birds

but show birds has been a dream of mine since i was 12 so i have persisted over the last year to do everything in my power to fix this

but to no avail

 

im trying to put in fake walling and roof as my latest findings are condensation from roof is causing the deaths

but im not sure what the best way to go about this is

specially as i have a clear (frosted actually)panel for sun to get in and covering roof will cover this and cause aviary to be dark

i had a plan and got started on it with some help but i realized that my plan is not going to work for two reasons

one i wont beable to wash aviary out as will get wet and stay damp for some time eventually rotting and two the birds will eat the wood planks and eventually get to the polistiring insulation

 

my biggest problem is money

i have spent way more on this stupid aviary than you could imagined

and honestly id be willing to pay more only i dont have the funding for it right now

im saving though

 

i need to know exactly what i need to do and use though to over come my issue

so i thought id come here for help

see what others have done to fight the dreaded condensation fight

 

the main problem is to keep the aviary at a regulated temp so at night it doesnt drop from 30 plus to 12 bellow in 1 hour or less

its the sudden drop and then the humidity in air that is moist due to the condensation causing my birds to die from pneumonia and airsacatittus

 

please anyone

:yes:

Edited May 16, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

I'm having similar problems with my aviary, mysterious deaths with no apparent cause, autopsy results inconclusive. All birds kept in cages right next to the aviary are 100% so I'm stumpped.

I've taken all my birds out of my aviary and I'm in the process of replacing my aviary with a series of cages (4x 120cm/45cm/45cm and another 4x 90cm/45cm/45cm for now at least) that I'm planning on fixing to the walls of my garage.

Then I'll be disinfecting my aviary and leaving it empty for a month or two before slowly reintroducing a few birds, if the problem returns I'll scrap the aviary all together.

 

Hope you can find a solution.

I'm having similar problems with my aviary, mysterious deaths with no apparent cause, autopsy results inconclusive. All birds kept in cages right next to the aviary are 100% so I'm stumpped.

I've taken all my birds out of my aviary and I'm in the process of replacing my aviary with a series of cages (4x 120cm/45cm/45cm and another 4x 90cm/45cm/45cm for now at least) that I'm planning on fixing to the walls of my garage.

Then I'll be disinfecting my aviary and leaving it empty for a month or two before slowly reintroducing a few birds, if the problem returns I'll scrap the aviary all together.

 

Hope you can find a solution.

 

all my birds are fine when out of it also

they are out at moment and all very happy and healthy

 

i know what it is now

linda try putting your birds on a three day treatment of oxy b it has really made a *** of diffrents in my birds

 

lol funny you said about the smaller cages in aviary as i was going to just hang heaps of the wire cages in on walls as they seem very happy in them

their easy to clean and you can veiw birds very easily from them

i thought i could just let birds out for fly every other day to exercize wings and house them in the cages

it did pass my mind

as i cut my stock right back

 

you may be having a similar problem as me linda

do you have just a tin roof ????

as thats my problem

 

condensation from roof causing humid air that birds then breath (which is possibly growing fungle ) which is causing a build up of extra fluids

birds look fine then could be foaming at mouth (bubbles due to water filled lungs ) and then just die

symptoms very similar to what a bird with canker is

 

solution it to put in insulation and fake roof

i just dont know whats best to use i can only aford one chance at fixing this issue

It seems to me that there is nothing wrong with your setup so you may want to look into their diet.

 

Do you give your birds any shell grit? Birds can do without gravel or grit for short periods of time but if deprived of it for very long they will become sick.

Yeah tin roof, I started to have the problems when I moved my aviary into my garage to avoid it getting exposed to weather extremes. Great help that was.

It seems to me that there is nothing wrong with your setup so you may want to look into their diet.Do you give your birds any shell grit? Birds can do without gravel or grit for short periods of time but if deprived of it for very long they will become sick.

yes my birds get shell gritand i did revise their feeding planbasiclly seed and freash water with silver beet 2 days a week and carrot and oranges every twice a week shell grit on offer always as with iodine bells and calcium bellsnothing else which for me is hard

Yeah tin roof, I started to have the problems when I moved my aviary into my garage to avoid it getting exposed to weather extremes. Great help that was.

may be ventilation air flow and build up of moister as you seem to be trying to do what i did and gard from cold weather wind and rain im about ready just to put them all in and say to them right who ever lives stays and who ever dies well you just die :yes: no but really i just want to do this right i did think mabe the smoke from the black satureday could have afected them but that was a long time ago and some my young 3 months died

 

dont know if this will work

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=28491

this is my set up last pictured

 

here it was when i first got it made

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=24822

 

it makes no sence

Edited May 17, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

yes my birds get shell gritand i did revise their feeding planbasiclly seed and freash water with silver beet 2 days a week and carrot and oranges every twice a week shell grit on offer always as with iodine bells and calcium bellsnothing else which for me is hard

 

I remember reading somewhere that citrus is not good for budgies Oranges and other citrus fruits can cause indigestion and fits possibly leading to death.

yes my birds get shell gritand i did revise their feeding planbasiclly seed and freash water with silver beet 2 days a week and carrot and oranges every twice a week shell grit on offer always as with iodine bells and calcium bellsnothing else which for me is hard

 

I remember reading somewhere that citrus is not good for budgies Oranges and other citrus fruits can cause indigestion and fits possibly leading to death.

well thats the first i have heard of that where did you read this

do you remember

i have been giving my birds oranges for years and years but just more often than now

 

no this issue is not to do with dietary

this is to do with my aviary

and what is the best

to use inside it to make false walls and roof and how do i over come the light issue when my sky light will need to be covered

i appreciate your helpfulness and input but i just want to know how others have lined their aviarys

and if not

why is my aviary a dud :hurryup:

 

 

 

i am interested to know where you read about the citrus as im open to anything about now

Edited May 17, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

yes my birds get shell gritand i did revise their feeding planbasiclly seed and freash water with silver beet 2 days a week and carrot and oranges every twice a week shell grit on offer always as with iodine bells and calcium bellsnothing else which for me is hard

 

I remember reading somewhere that citrus is not good for budgies Oranges and other citrus fruits can cause indigestion and fits possibly leading to death.

I would like confirmation ( proof ) on this too, as all I have heard is citrus is good for budgies. Mine eat orange and lemon no problems.

Edited May 17, 201015 yr by KAZ

I have tin roof of my aviaries but on top of that their are big red slats and then I have cement sheeting over them, it cuts back the heat in the summer and no moisture inside, I also have shade about 2 feet from the roof.

For I put up poly glaze or pcv which is clear plastic all around the wire but there is still 3 feet of wire that is uncover for air flow. Inside the aviaries it is as warm as.

 

There is a bloke around here that makes aviaries and I am ordering one in July. The roof is tin but he has a layer of plyboard on the roof, I thought great idea

So Gb try that if possiable, put a piece of plyboard inside of the roof, that will stop consendation.

I was going to line all mine withat plus put some builders styrofoam behind it BUT Greg reckons it was is waist of oney.

 

Don't quit.

I have tin roof of my aviaries but on top of that their are big red slats and then I have cement sheeting over them, it cuts back the heat in the summer and no moisture inside, I also have shade about 2 feet from the roof.

For I put up poly glaze or pcv which is clear plastic all around the wire but there is still 3 feet of wire that is uncover for air flow. Inside the aviaries it is as warm as.

 

There is a bloke around here that makes aviaries and I am ordering one in July. The roof is tin but he has a layer of plyboard on the roof, I thought great idea

So Gb try that if possiable, put a piece of plyboard inside of the roof, that will stop consendation.

I was going to line all mine withat plus put some builders styrofoam behind it BUT Greg reckons it was is waist of oney.

 

Don't quit.

 

so i can actually line the out side rather than the inside

mmmmmm okay

so how does that stop the condensation on the inside ?? i thought the tin was what caused it so had to be covered from inside

 

i have here now untreated pine planking

i was going to line roof with this and put that silver and blue instillation stuff in their which i also have but i then thought if it gets wet it may rot and my birds may eat through the pine where it joins at each plank

how thick is the plyboard cause i have that also

and canit get wet

reason i ask that is if i ever need to clean out whole aviry if some kind of infection got in

and as every 6ix months i do a scrub down top to toe

 

cement sheeting i can get that free also

would any slats do to lay on top

 

itys just as cold and windy your way as it is mine if not worse so

thanks splat

would you have picture flotting about

i know your cams stuffed but a old one mabe ???

My only question at this point is to ask how often and how recently have you brought in new birds? What is the quarantine procedure?

 

I know there are some breeders in the UK and elsewhere who are facing a rather new respiratory illness they cannot cure. It stays in the population and some birds seem more resistant to it than others. Of those who start to show symptoms (nasal discharge, sneezing, lethargy/low energy etc) 50% will die. The other 50% get better, but usually get sick again later - no bird that has had it has been cleared of it.

 

I will try to find the posts/forum where I read about this, but in the meantime it is worth considering that you may be dealing with an airborne illness rather than setup issues...

My only question at this point is to ask how often and how recently have you brought in new birds? What is the quarantine procedure?

 

I know there are some breeders in the UK and elsewhere who are facing a rather new respiratory illness they cannot cure. It stays in the population and some birds seem more resistant to it than others. Of those who start to show symptoms (nasal discharge, sneezing, lethargy/low energy etc) 50% will die. The other 50% get better, but usually get sick again later - no bird that has had it has been cleared of it.

 

I will try to find the posts/forum where I read about this, but in the meantime it is worth considering that you may be dealing with an airborne illness rather than setup issues...

 

i did think of this dean but why would

the vets not be on to it

5 birds autopsied

the last one i actually got put to sleep after testing then had special micro autopsy done

and im in australia vic and the last birds i got are still in quarrenteen and only two are actually for me

 

my birds are

all fine and stop dieing when not in aviary

they only seem to start to get unwell and start dieing when they are in and it only takes a few weeks for me to see the change from good to bad

as with when i take them out

it only takes two weeks for birds to get healthy again and back to normal

 

id still be very interested in your information though its not impossable i guess but youd have though one of the two vets would have picked up being avian and all

My only question at this point is to ask how often and how recently have you brought in new birds? What is the quarantine procedure?

 

I know there are some breeders in the UK and elsewhere who are facing a rather new respiratory illness they cannot cure. It stays in the population and some birds seem more resistant to it than others. Of those who start to show symptoms (nasal discharge, sneezing, lethargy/low energy etc) 50% will die. The other 50% get better, but usually get sick again later - no bird that has had it has been cleared of it.

 

I will try to find the posts/forum where I read about this, but in the meantime it is worth considering that you may be dealing with an airborne illness rather than setup issues...

 

that doesnt sound good.

My only question at this point is to ask how often and how recently have you brought in new birds? What is the quarantine procedure?

 

I know there are some breeders in the UK and elsewhere who are facing a rather new respiratory illness they cannot cure. It stays in the population and some birds seem more resistant to it than others. Of those who start to show symptoms (nasal discharge, sneezing, lethargy/low energy etc) 50% will die. The other 50% get better, but usually get sick again later - no bird that has had it has been cleared of it.

 

I will try to find the posts/forum where I read about this, but in the meantime it is worth considering that you may be dealing with an airborne illness rather than setup issues...

 

that doesnt sound good.

 

This is not the original post I heard the illness mentioned. I first read of it in the aviary of a top british or UK breeder, one who was in a partnership and they unfortunately found that in both aviaries the illness became established. Because some birds proved resistant to it (although periodically becoming ill), they determined to just try help the birds feel better and continued breeding with them as it was probably too incomprehensible to cull their stud (and it was a stud - closely bred and top quality birds that would cost thousands to replace). If i remember they are utilising some sort of vaporiser to dispense a medication or respiratory soother in the air to help their birds (not cure). And that is the best they could do... If this rings bells with anyone please try and provide a link as I am continuing to source this original story.

 

Here is an account of an illness that seems to be one and the same:

 

Present stock. Bob Travnicek told us that in the past, he has had stock numbering about 1,000 birds, kept ,by variety or bloodgroups, in separate aviaries so that they could be strictly controlled in selective breeding. At present, his stock is greatly depleted because in the floods that hit New Orleans, the water reached a height of five feet in his birdroom and many of his birds drowned. Basically, those which survived were those which were able to cling to the wires above water level. As a result of this occurrence – he did not describe it as a tragedy as most of us would, because he said that it was something he would overcome by replacing stock – he said that he had brought in birds from one fancier (not in Britain) and had been happy with them. Unfortunately, one of them subsequently developed a sinus problem which has spread and is reluctant to respond to treatment. Thed mortality rate of this new syndrom/illness is high – as high as 50% - and he currently has some of the countty’s best avian virologists and pathologists working on the problem. As with all his research, he will plot the results as received. Meanwhile, he is treating affected birds as for Trichomosis, but is hampered by the fact that what was hitherto the most effective treatment for this has been off the market for some time.

Bob stressed that he has contacted the person who he believes to have been the source of the outbreak; this fancier he knows to be an honourable friend who he knows has contacted other possible contacts about it.

 

Source: Budgerigar society

What actual sunlight do they get GB .......as in contact with suns rays not just sunlight through the mesh ?

 

article on sunlight by Don Burke http://wbo.bestofbreeds.net/article11.htm

Edited May 17, 201015 yr by KAZ

What actual sunlight do they get GB .......as in contact with suns rays not just sunlight through the mesh ?

 

article on sunlight by Don Burke http://wbo.bestofbreeds.net/article11.htm

 

they get sun when ever its sunny as the green shade mess walls come down everytime suns out

besides

i know birds never seen the light of day

and not supplemented with anything but good seed and vegies and are fine

 

and i am sick of reading that don Burke article lol read it like one hundred thousand times now

 

 

as for your thing dean

please im stressed enough with out thinking their got some unknown bird respertory probblem

which i know they dont if they do its from the black saturday fires where they had to spend 2 weeks in full on heat ond smoke

till i could evacuate

i thought that may be a bit of the cause

i haven t brough in alot of birds i culled to keep numbers down not to add more

and all birds

 

they not snizzing any more and are verigorous and active as wont shut up

 

its got to be this condensation thing im going to try and do splats suggestion

 

i will just see how i go with a few birds to start

then if all seems well add the flock

 

i will keep you up dated

anymore help or sugestionss still welcome and dean when u find the whole artical

let me know thanks mate

I will try and find some pics soon, can you get hold of coolroom walls, like some tips have them, they pull down coolrooms and it goes to the tip and it is great instilation. I was told the other day to go tip the ti and get some as it would be great to put on the roof to keep cooler. So that's an idea too. you can get it in different sizes, 3ft by 6ft and smaller.

For me what wworks is just by having something on the room just seems to stop the inside of the aviary roof getting wet.

I am putting wood fence palings on the side of my aviary that gets the most heat in the summer, we have plenty as we just got a new fence.

 

On my breeding room roof Greg has old fence palings covering that to keep the heat off and moisture away.

And on the new part I have packing crates lined up there and then cement sheeting. works for me.

I will try and find some pics soon, can you get hold of coolroom walls, like some tips have them, they pull down coolrooms and it goes to the tip and it is great instilation. I was told the other day to go tip the ti and get some as it would be great to put on the roof to keep cooler. So that's an idea too. you can get it in different sizes, 3ft by 6ft and smaller.

For me what wworks is just by having something on the room just seems to stop the inside of the aviary roof getting wet.

I am putting wood fence palings on the side of my aviary that gets the most heat in the summer, we have plenty as we just got a new fence.

 

On my breeding room roof Greg has old fence palings covering that to keep the heat off and moisture away.

And on the new part I have packing crates lined up there and then cement sheeting. works for me.

 

just happens a friend of mine works at the tip

just got a new industrial vac for bird room works a treat the stuff people through out is stupid most brand new :rofl: will tell him to keep eye out cheers mate

Edited May 17, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

I got my source from www.masterbreeder.com Chapter eight part one- When prevention fails.

 

It has been a long time since I read this and after re-reading the chapter again last night I realised that the quote was taken from a book written in 1951. Well a lot of theories have changed since then so citrus may be good after all. Looks like my original quote has been squashed by the Mythbusters

 

Interesting reading about drafts and its affect on birds in the same chapter.

Edited May 17, 201015 yr by Ikon

One of W.A's top breeders Cec Gearing has front to back ventilation through his aviaries. Up the perching end is open mesh area of around a foot or so....and the other end of the flights is open pop out. I asked him about draughts and weather affecting the birds once, and he said....some of them like it and some dont. The ones that dont, sit on a lower perch out of the draught.

Theres a lot to be said for proper ventilation of an aviary and striking that "happy medium" between going too far re draughts and having it too open.

That being said airflow is an important key to an aviary. I dont think making an aviary totally draught free is the right thing for the birds at all.

One of W.A's top breeders Cec Gearing has front to back ventilation through his aviaries. Up the perching end is open mesh area of around a foot or so....and the other end of the flights is open pop out. I asked him about draughts and weather affecting the birds once, and he said....some of them like it and some dont. The ones that dont, sit on a lower perch out of the draught.

Theres a lot to be said for proper ventilation of an aviary and striking that "happy medium" between going too far re draughts and having it too open.

That being said airflow is an important key to an aviary. I dont think making an aviary totally draught free is the right thing for the birds at all.

 

 

well im just a bit lost with all that but my plan is to leave front totally open when i install my new fake walling

and have opening doors on the sides so can open right up in summer but shut sides in in winter

im under the belief that draft is bad as but ventilation is very necessary so its just survival of fittest

 

maybe the ones who cant cope as well i will keep in a housed area inside shed

not sure yet fix aviary first then see what happens

 

i got loads of help from my club members last night

and i was blown away with the generosity of one member who had only ever heard of me before

and yet

prezented me with not only a

beautiful yf cock bird in cobalt but also with the

budgerigar book by rob Marshall im like acing in the face from smiling i was like really

i almost dropped dead from shock im still stund

all i can say is

thankyou so so so much

 

 

 

paul if you ever read this :hug: :rofl:

words fail to say how much i appreciate your kind and very thoughtful jester i will never forget

What a fantastic gift and show of support from your club member !!!!!!!

Edited May 18, 201015 yr by KAZ

What a fantastic gift and show of support from your club member !!!!!!!

 

i was am still am in shock he had never ever meet me before only heard of me

i saw so stunned i didnt really take in what he said but it was something to do with hed heard of my enthusiasm and thats when he handed me the book all wrapped up still in the cardboard casing i just was so astonished my hearing went and i was wow

 

the bird he gifted me blew me away but when he handed me the book i was still am totally blown away

hes the most beautiful yf boy cobalt what i been after for a longtime now

im so fussy with my yf birds i couldnt find a decent one i liked

so this is like the best gift ever it makes up for all the **** **** stuff thats happened in my life

lol

thats how much it meant to me

 

one very beautiful thought

one very happy over ecstatic bird freak now to :rofl: it all :hug:

A very good reference book to have on hand too GB