okay so once again i was thinking....

surprise surprise

 

anyway i was thinking about mutations, as this is something that interests me.

 

an all of a suddenly rushed over me.... can you get double factor violet cobalts??

as i have heard of s/f violet cobalt (tru violets) and d/f sky blue...... but NEVER a d/f cobalt

 

if there is one it must be xtremely purple in colour?

so my challenge is for who ever wishes to accept... find me a picture of a d/f violet cobalt please!

 

oh and another proposition.....

 

can you get Green oplaine cinnamon in the one bird, as i have never seen these beofre. only blue opaline cinnamons

if there is can anyone find me a picture.

 

the reason i ask this is you all have alot of experience and would probably know.

and you may most likely have bred one and have pictures of your own.

 

thanks for your help grant.

Edited May 9, 201015 yr by alpaca-boy

Violet is a colour adding factor that comes in both single and double factor. It can be added to any shade of any colour including blue, green, albino, lutino, etc.

 

Green oplaine cinnamons are quite common. I'm sure someone will find a picture for you

I have two light green opaline cinnamon hens in the nest right now. And I have two single factor violet cobalt yellowfaces with 6 chicks, so there is a good chance one will be a DF violet sky, cobalt or mauve chick. We shall see.

I have a bird here that I bred from a violet and a dark green spangle and he is a very dark grey green to dark green to an olive colour, he is actually a violet green but seems there is no such colour, i would have to say he is an olive but I can't even check his tail to see what colour it is as he has only grown 2 short stump thick tail feathers. AND what's worse he is a stunner and I can't even show him.

 

When I get a camera I will post pics of him.

thankyou all for your help.

 

so it looks like you can get thes varieties.

 

now some pictures would be good!

 

does anyone have pictures of:

 

-green, cinnamon opaline. (both dark and light green)

 

-D/F violet cobalt

 

-AND a mauve with violet, D/f or S/f ...... ps< is this possible? is the violet visual on mauves? ???

As requested, a green cinnamon opaline hen. She was a great looking hen but she contracted some illness and despite being in quarantine for 2 months and treatment by vets in multiple occassions with all meds, she never recovered.

 

Shame really as I think she would have produced some excellent young birds.

 

Sorry, i cannot help with the violet requests.

thanks dave,

 

she is still pretty, opaline cinnamon green is a fantastic mix it looks great!

thanks for the picture.

okay so once again i was thinking....

surprise surprise

 

anyway i was thinking about mutations, as this is something that interests me.

 

an all of a suddenly rushed over me.... can you get double factor violet cobalts??

as i have heard of s/f violet cobalt (tru violets) and d/f sky blue...... but NEVER a d/f cobalt

 

if there is one it must be xtremely purple in colour?

so my challenge is for who ever wishes to accept... find me a picture of a d/f violet cobalt please!

 

oh and another proposition.....

 

can you get Green oplaine cinnamon in the one bird, as i have never seen these beofre. only blue opaline cinnamons

if there is can anyone find me a picture.

 

the reason i ask this is you all have alot of experience and would probably know.

and you may most likely have bred one and have pictures of your own.

 

thanks for your help grant.

 

Hey Grant

 

I THINK I have a couple of DF violet cobalt clearwings but won't be able to get a picture up here for some time. BUT I would guess that one of the budgies on the BBC header bar (not the yf grey spangle obviously but the other one) would be a df violet cobalt - very purple!

 

And yes violet on mauve is definitely possible (violet on anything is possible) but would be hard to determine. Very much like violet greys.

Edited May 10, 201015 yr by nubbly5

thanks nubbaly,

 

i see what you mean.

so why do they only call s/f cobalts "true violet" when the d/f cobalt is more purple in coloure, it is more intense

 

ps: so is violet visually detectable on a mauve?

Just catching up on some of the stuff I've missed while away.

 

A-b visual violets are generally cobalt birds with either single factor OR double factor violet. The dark factor (cobalt) and the violet factor are 2 seperate things. These birds are called visual violet because the combination of cobalt and violet gives as close to a true violet colour as possible.

 

You CAN have any other base coloured bird (apart from ino, and DF spangle which mask colour) with violet additional. The violet factor is like a violet sheen added on top of a birds normal colour. So a bird with 2 dark factors (mauve for example) can also have violet added BUT in greys, mauves and greens it's sometimes really hard to diagnose IF the bird really has violet or not. It's not until you breed a colbalt violet that it really shows up in a true violet colour - hence visual violet.

thanks nubbly...

 

so does anyone have a picture of a...

 

-d/f cobalt violet

-mauve violet

 

i would really appreciate it!

oh and one more question nubbly

-so does that mean you could hhave an albino or d/f spangle, and the violet is added on top (so you can see theviolet?)

or does the albino and d/f spangle eliminate colour totally??

The whole 'visual violet' thing is really a reflection of the what has historically been (and is currently) a very poor understanding of the violet gene. Even today when i have friends who are judges see some of my violet sky blues, they tell me "those are not violets, those are cobalts, if you put them in the sky class I would mark your bird as wrong class and not judge it". Needless to say I try to explain the obvious differences in the tails of the sky's verses the cobalts, the colour difference between my normal cobalts and my violet skys who the judges often mistake as cobalts (violet skys DO look like cobalts, but the depth of blue is much richer than a standard cobalt - they look like cobalts with 'great colour').

 

The 'visual violet' term came about because of this confusion and difficulty assessing a bird VISUALLY as to whether or not it had violet. Splat is bang on about greys, mauves and greens being very difficult to visually identify violet because of the background colour. It is a partial dominant gene so it cannot be hidden, but in certain colours you wont get 'purple' from the violet gene - you simply get what almost looks like another dark factor. So the term visual violet came to describe double factor violet sky blues and single factor violet cobalts. Why? Because most people thought they were looking at the same thing - they thought double factor violet sky's were single factor violet cobalts. Partly because there was, and sometimes still pops up a myth that 1) there is no double factor violet anything, and 2) double factor violet is lethal, so there are no double factors.

 

What this all boils down to is a lack of knowledge and ability to identify a colour modifying gene. Most judges (or senior breeders) are too proud to admit they have trouble identifying violets and just fob you off when you try to talk about it. Think of it. Grey is a dominant gene, as is green - therefore it is super easy to breed, and is VERY common because green is dominant over blue and grey is co-dominant with green and dominant over blue (visually). So you see a LOT of greens and grey greens on the show bench, followed by a smaller percentage of blues. Wait a second? Where are all the violets? Its a dominant gene just like green and grey and yet you see maybe 1-3 visual violets even in a large show. Why? Because people shy away from breeds they cannot understand, or have difficulty identifying (like most recessive varieties, they become a 'special interest' variety, bred by only a few select breeders).

 

thanks nubbly...so does anyone have a picture of a...-d/f cobalt violet-mauve violeti would really appreciate it!oh and one more question nubbly-so does that mean you could hhave an albino or d/f spangle, and the violet is added on top (so you can see theviolet?)or does the albino and d/f spangle eliminate colour totally??

 

I had two pet type double factor violet cobalt spangles that i was going to breed together but sold (had no spare breeding boxes for pet types). They were very purple alright - made my violet cobalts look like cobalts and my normal cobalts look like sky blues lol. I do have some pictures but the intensity of the purple never shows up on camera, be it single factor or double factor violet.

 

In response to your question however - The violet is a colour modifying gene. It alters the structure of the feather to reflect a slightly different colour of the spectrum. DF spangle and albino does eliminate most colour types, but if you look closely at blue base DF spangles or albinos, they still have a faint blue sheen in the sunlight or good natural light. I've heard many people say such birds with violet have an almost rose or pink tinge to them, very faint but very nice. Of course any such bird with suffusion would show some violet, depending on whether it was sky or cobalt based and whether it was single or double factor violet.

Edited June 28, 201014 yr by Dean_NZ

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=12367

 

 

http://www.showbirds.org.nz/articles/images/Violets.jpg

thanks Dean from NZ, and nubbaly and thanks KAZ for the pictures!!

 

your information was very interesting, i now understand more about violets!

the d/f violet cobalt has a striking colour there KAZ

its beautiful really intense coloring :question:

Well here is one of my chicks, Light Green Cinnamon Opaline:

 

Her Father (same as her):

 

A Grey green Cinnamon Opaline Hen: