okay i though i would start a topic on size requirements of a bird and its (their) ability to produce chicks worth while

 

alot of people are under belief that a big bird will produce bigg chicks

this is not how ever so

 

if the bird was breed from a smaller butwell breed lesser brother cock bird and a reasonably sized quality in all over look smaller than the sort after average to large hen then the out come may be very variegated

 

example

 

these two believe it or not are sisters

the father was a grey green normal/lacewing cock very average to look at nothing much spesh about him

and the mother was a more than lacking hen in which i saw a certain something other still can not see

first bird people point at and say why ???

 

then i show them the chicks from three diffrent pairings with same hen

one pairing a half pet show type opaline grey cock rezult 4 chicks two nice opaline hens two average cocks

one hen i kept for my show line the other i have in my cull cage still as i always have seen something in her but wont putintoshow as shes not good enough culled cocks

 

 

second pairing the above cock mentioned

grey green/lacewing 3 chicks a huge grey green spangle hen

a lute hen (cross over chick )nice long but small lot of potential for growing

and a grey opaline spangle good size probbly never come of much

kept the grey green culled both other hens

 

third pairing a large cock bird from a average clutch of smaller chicks but very nice big bird

chick out come

well lets just say not one chick was worth even looking at the chicks must have gotten a double dose of the small gene and i sold soon as they were eating to pet shop didnt even bother with pics of growing as i knew from one week they were not stayingin my flock

 

so three diffrent pairing three difrent rezults

now the first bird was a bird from two good sized but nothing special show culls from pet shop

he was not as big as mum or dad but he had all the qualitys needed for the show bench but size or feather

 

the second cock was breed by our nubbly 5 hes a good bird with all the right stuff again smaller and wouldnt make a show bird for lac of size

i have his half brother who is also a smaller bird but beautiful look perfect look

and i had their mothers grandson also very small but breed from very good bloodlines (i sold him to lealotta )

all these birds had everything but were lesser brothers and sisters to nubblys other breed very good sized keepers

i payed a modest amount for the three birds and was very pleased she took time to help me with transport and talking me through their backgrounds and blood lines

as well as provide papers reaching back as far as she had recorded of

 

the last cock was very big bird with not all the qualitys but the size youd expect would give nothing but big chicks

 

only the two lesser cocks to the lesser hen provided a good return size wize

and i ask you why ???

and i tell you as because the big bird was breed from big birds with not much in their back ground but big peronts he may of recived a gene for small from one of his peronts passed on rececivly

yet got the big genetic making him large

its the same with birds with small frountl rize can hold the big rise genetic and it can be brought out by breeding to a large over rised bird of oposed sex

 

the small genes double up producing all small chicks

 

in the cases above the birds were all breed from good background and birds

their for when the genetics aregiven out one from dad one from mum

only rarly will a bird get stuck with double small genetics

and quiet often you will produce a stormer

the diffrence between that and a normal big huge breed chick from not much back ground it its also got all the right features

 

im not sure if any of this is makeing sence and if anyone wants to put it in a way others can and will understand please feel free too

 

what im saying is

i have alot of smaller but very well breed birds

and i am getting very nice rezults in my nest

and their regulated three good to one small

so ut of 7 chicks 6 will be good one well cull straight from nest

 

im just trying to give a insight how you can work your way up with out spending your life savings on your hobby / pashion for some

and at same time get good rezults that you can be proud of and able to use to benefit your flock

yes i will need to buy a few good birds soon but only as i want to substain my achivement not l have a count of 3 out of four good but hopefully incress this number

but useing my own very nice breed hens

 

not sure this will make sence and not sure it will even help any one but just thought id mabe start a descution on

size and gentics and how much a roll they play with each other

 

please how do you understand it to work

the above is how i belive it plays out

it is not nececerily true but from my breeding rezults its true to me

 

ill hunt down my pics of mums dads and chicks show some examples may take a bit but ill get onto it

and ill take pics off chicks just out and thir mums and dads

you can see what you think about my theory

I have always been told AND have found through experience that it's better to buy a lesser bird from a well established stud than it is to buy the best bird from a lesser stud - why? Because ALL the way back in a lesser birds history from a top stud are good birds. We line breed and produce families of birds that show a predominance of certain features so you have more chance of these genes showing up when you use these birds. Conversely a great bird from a poor stud does not have the same extensive and intensified genetic background so you rely on fluking a good genetic combination. Harder to achieve!

Edited May 5, 201015 yr by nubbly5

I would't use that pair,they are each missing a leg.

The judges will take to many points off for only one set of

toes to front of the perch.

I would't use that pair,they are each missing a leg.

The judges will take to many points off for only one set of

toes to front of the perch.

:laughter:

I would't use that pair,they are each missing a leg.

The judges will take to many points off for only one set of

toes to front of the perch. :rofl: :rofl:

:laughter: they are too :yuck:

i do wuv you macka are you married :rofl: you always make me laugh you and smile

thank you

 

 

nubbly thanks for explaining what i rambled in a few lines

that was what i was trying to get at

 

im going to take pics my last nest out comes and their mums and dad

so i can show what i mean

 

i did this thread to show you can breed yourself some nice big chicks from as nub says lesser good quality stud birds

in hope to inspire others that you dont need to cut off your right arm and leg to breed quality yourself

some off the best breeders have started with birds pet size and worked their way up

 

its the same as trying to add size to a clear wing or crested with out needing to worry about keeping the related trateds to though birds

its about choise of quality to me over size so long as the birds from well astablished stock size matters latter

Edited May 5, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

your the best breeder in the world gb , and i would call tommy perfect quality :laughter: along with all your other birds there all lovely.

Edited May 6, 201015 yr by Houman

your the best breeder in the world gb , and i would call tommy perfect quality :laughter: along with all your other birds there all lovely.

 

 

lol

i dont think so houman mabe to you

im the bird whisperer... lol

 

so here are a few chicks just out nests early to mind you

 

so the dom pied boy bellow he was breed from a dom pied cock the smallest bird from someones clutch of pieds but has outstanding bloodlines

i paired him to a bird that was also the smallest hen out of someone elses clutch of birds blood lines medium but not bad her look was right for the cock so i thought id try them

 

 

 

this is his brother

 

 

 

 

 

mum and dad the dom pied and the cinn grey

 

 

 

 

both birds first chicks

some im pleased with results both chicks raised by our own master tommys mum and dad

 

i think you can say a good out come

im happy with it

 

chicks were born on the 30th march

both same day

Edited May 6, 201015 yr by GenericBlue