I have another pair down to breed and I was just wondering what the babies may be, the cock is a light green spangle/ black eyed self the hen is a light green greywing. thanks

okay jlee I reckon something like this:

 

50% normals split for greywing

50% greywing split for bes (effectively a dilute)

 

Of which 50% of them will be spangles and 50% will not

 

The only complication is if the bes was actually a cinnamon dilute which is common for exhibition bes to help reduce the suffusion. If the cock might also be split for cinnamon which will give you the chance of cinnamon greywing hens split for bes (dilute) and cinnamon hens split for greywing.

Cant be split for black eyed self. Must only be split for recessive in that case if bred from a black eyed self.

thanks Dean & Nubbly I got him from a breeder/judge that was the variety he told me he was, the pair have 5 eggs at the moment and I have not read much about them

Ummmm CAN be split for black eyed self. BES is basically a dilute (normally a cinnamon dilute) - why do you say it can't be split for BES? I think you are getting confused with Dark Eyed Clear .... yes?

 

I breed the little suckers and they are (as I have been finding out) just as hard to breed as clearwings. You breed for size and hey presto you have dark wing markings and heavier suffusion (both no-no's) and when you have a nice variety specimin it's the size of a finch!

Edited April 29, 201015 yr by nubbly5

Ummmm CAN be split for black eyed self. BES is basically a dilute (normally a cinnamon dilute) - why do you say it can't be split for BES? I think you are getting confused with Dark Eyed Clear .... yes?

 

I breed the little suckers and they are (as I have been finding out) just as hard to breed as clearwings. You breed for size and hey presto you have dark wing markings and heavier suffusion (both no-no's) and when you have a nice variety specimin it's the size of a finch!

 

size of a finch

 

:rofl: :rofl:

Ummmm CAN be split for black eyed self. BES is basically a dilute (normally a cinnamon dilute) - why do you say it can't be split for BES? I think you are getting confused with Dark Eyed Clear .... yes?

 

I breed the little suckers and they are (as I have been finding out) just as hard to breed as clearwings. You breed for size and hey presto you have dark wing markings and heavier suffusion (both no-no's) and when you have a nice variety specimin it's the size of a finch!

 

size of a finch

 

:rofl: :rofl:

 

As hard to catch as a damn finch too.......

Ummmm CAN be split for black eyed self. BES is basically a dilute (normally a cinnamon dilute) - why do you say it can't be split for BES? I think you are getting confused with Dark Eyed Clear .... yes?

 

I breed the little suckers and they are (as I have been finding out) just as hard to breed as clearwings. You breed for size and hey presto you have dark wing markings and heavier suffusion (both no-no's) and when you have a nice variety specimin it's the size of a finch!

 

Yes is right lol. Blond moment! Thanks nubbly!

thanks everyone for your fantastic replies... so Nubbly to get a BES out of the cock or his offspring I obviously would have to get a BES hen and breed her with him would that give me a BES baby?

thanks everyone for your fantastic replies... so Nubbly to get a BES out of the cock or his offspring I obviously would have to get a BES hen and breed her with him would that give me a BES baby?

 

 

Yes that is correct a proportion of them at least 50% would be normals split for BES (dilute) and 50% would be BES (dilute)! Or a dilute will give you dilutes (a BES is effectively a dilute that has been selected for body colour clarity and reduced wing markings).