Hi Guys I bred this hen and I'm not sure what colour she is and would be interested in what you all think. She hatched with red eyes and as the pins came through showing colour I automatically thought she was a lacewing but she is definately different than my other lacewings, she is colony bred so dad is probably a raffle. She seems to have grey tones in her wings instead of the usual brown tones anyway here are some pictures and see what people think.

 

Cheers Jenny

Lutino or very poorly marked lacewing.

 

What colour are her 2 main tail feathers? If they are yellow with a white quill then she is lutino. If they are even slightly cinnamon or have a cinnamon quill she is a poorly marked lacewing.

 

So you either have a cock bird that is split for lutino OR that little crossover between the cinnamon and the ino gene (which originally caused the lacewing mutation) has happened in reverse and the cinnamon and ino gene have crossed back over onto seperate genes in this instance - happens in a very few percentage of breedings.

Thanks for your comment, her markings have a grey tone to them not brown like my lacewings.

I am thinking she might be a heavily suffused lutino as she seems to have quite a bit of body colour as well. Just something I haven't seen in thirty odd years of breeding, she is similar to the platinum or par ino type birds. I will have a play with her and put her with a nice male then use her sons to see what I get.

Cheers Jenny

Do you have any visual or split par ino's in your colony system?

Edited April 28, 201015 yr by RIPbudgies

I have got Clearbodies and splits which are par ino's and I also have greywing clearbodies but they don't have the ino red eye that this hen has. I have taken a couple of more pictures, the camera doesn't seem to capture the colour exactly and she still is yet to fully colour but here they are.

Lutino.

Lutino.

 

Ditto

Hi guys its been a while and I thought i'd put an updated photo of this hen as well as one with my lacewing hen,

they are the same age and could even be sisters but I did a lot of switching around and lost track.

 

 

 

 

 

looks like a spangle opaline fallow to me

but if rip in nub say ino

then their more expert than me

 

and youd need splits or a visual for that to happen (fallow i mean)

Edited February 16, 201114 yr by **KAZ**

I think GB is right in it being Opaline Spangle. It has the Spangle tail and check patches. So if you can work out which pairs you have that are spangle or DF spangle you may be able to narrow down which pair this bird is off. The bird does appear to be fallow in the last picture with the intensified body colour over the rump but to achieve this you would need both parents to be carrying the fallow gene and if your not breeding them intentionally this is unlikey to occur as they are a variety that can be harder to obtain but in saying this there is a lot of colour suffision in this bird if this is a lacewing or Ino. If you pair this bird up with a Ino or Lacewing and get no red eyed babies you will know its fallow as you will get 100% red eye babies if it is ino or Lacewing.

and brumby is right pair it to another ino type bird and you will get 100 percent ino

if its not ino

you will get only /ino cock birds or ino hens as its a hen so you may get ino hens from the cock bird but all cocks will be not red eyes and some hens will also be normal eyes

but now i have seen your other birds

im leaning toward

ino dompied spangle opaline light green as you have many dom pied's an

it is not unlikely that you have brought out a fellow gene

if breeding has been colony for some while as only need to split birds to come across each other

could of been one bird with the fellow split gene and its taken while for other birds to be produced then come together in mating

as fellow being rececive can carry or may not carry from a split cock or hen

just like rececive pie gene works same

Thanks for your replies, I originally thought she may have some dom pied in her but to me her wing pattern is similar to a opaline greywing clearbody hen that I have.

There was a spangle dom pied in the aviary but I don't think he was the dad as he doesn't throw her type, but you never know.

The bird I think was her dad I lost, originally didn't think it was him as he had a brown cere and his hen had had infertile eggs, he was a show type cinnamon dom pied / lacewing and I think the dad of the lacewing dom pied as well but from different hens, his cere did turn blue during the season for a short time.

Anyway haven't been able to put her down to breed yet as she hasn't been in condition but she is getting there, might try her with a clearbody cock at least then i'll know if she's ino or not, also have a yf cinnamon violet/lacewing who is out of her possible fathers mother{ that's a mouthfull lol} he is pictured in my other thread.

I think breeding is going to be the only way to solve the mystery just not sure whether I should be putting her to a normal and then breeding from any cocks I get so I dont confuse the bloodlines even more they are mirky enough as it is.

 

Cheers Jenny

clear body works yea this is possible didnt even think of that

let us know what becomes of any results of her breeding

im interested now to know :}

 

)edited due to my stupidity )

 

um exept clearbodys dont have pink eyes for some reason i keep thinking they do but they dont

so she can not be a clearbody stupid me

Edited February 16, 201114 yr by GenericBlue

Clearbodies have black eyes as GB says and heavier wing markings than this girl.

 

If the 2 are sisters I'd pitch at lacewings but considering the colony breeding AND the old switcheroo possibly not a good plan to base it on who you THINK might be her sister. The non-yellow face is also spangle AND opaline (which makes it really hard to tell by tail feather if you have a lacewing or a lutino in baby feather) and could be either a heavily suffused lacewing OR a poorly marked or even greywing or cinnamon fallow which look just like lacewings but with subtle differences. To be honest it's always going to be a bit of a guess without the help of knowing what the parents of the bird are!

I bought a creamino a month ago didn't notice til i got home she has very very light Grey markings(she's also young maybe 4-5 months old) I was told that the Grey wing is just Bleeding through that she is a creamino but it's also showing me she's a Grey wing(so no surprise if I ever put her with a grey wing lol)

 

is it possible yours is a lutino with the grey wing bleeding through?

 

Mine is very hard to see as she's albino and the yellow and grey are very pale but Here's a couple pictures

 

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Hi guys been a while but I am a bit closer to knowing what this hen is, she is mated to a yellow face grey/ ino male and judging by her young to date I would lean toward her being a opaline greywing spangle fallow green.

To date they have produced green spangles, green opaline spangles, normal green, opaline green male, lutino hen and they have young in the box still hatching two of which are ino.

If either of the ino babies turn out to be males then I may have to reconsider what she is. As the male is a grey factor bird surprisingly none of the young are grey so the colour expectations are a bit out of whack lol. Turns out this hen was reared by her own parents and not a fostered bub.

This is a photo of her parents who are share the same hen as their mum so it is possible they both were split for fallow.

 

 

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Hi Hilly - A very interesting post. Please update what were the outcome of those red eyed chicks? Males or females?