okay. so the situation is that my budgie Mortimer, was opaline 1.5 months ago.

But... now he is not! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :hug:

what is going on?? can someone please explain?

 

Here you can see the opaline present on the wings. taken about 1 and a half months ago.

 

 

Here is the NOW picture taken last week.

 

so what are your thoughts...?

Looks more like opalescence to me. I wouldnt have called it an opaline. Most likely a cock split for opaline showing opalescence, as is common in cocks split for opaline.

With the flight feathers cut off and no front view it is hard to be sure but I think your bird is an opaline dominant pied. A dominant pied without opaline would have more barring on the head and neck area. If it was a recessive pied opaline would still be a possibility but not as definite

okay dean from nz, your saying he may be split for opaline, and he is just showing this split.

 

so if i was to breed him with a hen with NO opaline, would there be any chance that the chicks may be opaline

 

as i have heard somewhere that is is sex-linked.

so a female cannot carry it unless it shows opaline, and a male can have it (split) and not show it

due to chromosome xx and xy

 

so if i did a punnet square it would be (with xy and xx and o= opaline)

 

....... X .....Xo

X.....XX.....XXo

Y.....XY.....XoY

 

which would meant that i would receive;

-25% male with no opaline

-25% male with split for opaline

-25% female with no opaline

-25% female with OPALINE.

 

is that correct??? so if i bread him with hen with no opaline, i would get 25% of chicks opaline. if gnetics paly out well.??

Neville is right it is an opaline pied, from the first picture it may also be yellow faced. As to dominant or rec. pied its hard to tell from these shots as it maturers it will develope a white ring arround its eye if it is dominant pied. Hope that helps Cheers Clearwing

Looks more like a heavily marked recessive with opalescence to me. Could be dominant pied, but regardless I have never seen a full opaline with so little opalescence after the molt, it normally gets stronger.

 

Yes you are right about the breeding expectations. If he is opaline and you pair him to a normal (non opaline at least) hen, all his daughters will be opaline and his sons will all be split opaline. If he is SPLIT for opaline instead, then half his daughters will be normal, half opaline, half his sons normal and the other half split for opaline although you wont know which by looking at them.

Has this bird got an Iris ring or not? Cause it is looking very typical of a Dutch Pied. They show an 'opalesance' of sorts usually referred to as 'frosting'.

A front view would show the pied type

mortimer has NO iris ring.... YET as he is still a baby

only 4 months old

 

i will post a picture of the front, to help you all figure out whether he is a receesive or dominant pied.

 

N.B he has a white tail and white flights if that helps

bu the rest of this feathers as you can see are black

 

here is his front

 

and his side profile

 

hope it helps

Edited April 28, 201015 yr by alpaca-boy

I think he may well be Dutch pied but having only really seen a few proper ones in photos I'll defer to RIP's superior knowledge of these fellows.

what is a dutch pied??

 

i have heard of recessive, dominant, and australian but dutch?

 

so are we all adiment that it is opalescence, and mortimer is split opaline??????

Not me..... I'm a fence sitter on this one as I'm not sure that if he is dutch pied what that could actually mean in regards to affecting his markings...... sorry.

 

Dominant pieds come in a couple of forms: Australian Dominant Pieds and Dutch Dominant Pieds (or continental clearflighted pieds). We just kind of lump them all into the generic term of dominant pied and personally in Australia Dutch Pieds are much rarer than Aussie Doms. (Well WA at the very least).

so nubbaly,

 

what defines a dutch pied and a aussie pied?

 

what are the differences, visually?

 

thanks for your info

Sorry A-B I am absolutely no expert on Dutch Pieds - our resident master on this subject might be RIP or DAZ and maybe they can give you a better run down on the differences than I can. Maybe PM RIP and ask her for some input into this one.

dutch pieds normally have the band on their chest or more recessive type markings and fuller markings on the wings (should be full like your bird) with clear flight feathers (hence the other name) Aussie pieds will have patches on their wings or more markings removed and the band around the belly area of the bird.

 

I agree with Nubby he looks to be dutch pied but he should be getting rings around now. I don't think he is Opaline.

thanks Nerwen and Nubbly

so sounds like he is a dutch pied, and not opaline, but probably spilt.

iwill inform you if he gets iris rings.

 

calling RIP.... calling RIP. please come and help me, i hope you can hear me.

okay fine i will just send a pm

thanks Nerwen and Nubbly

so sounds like he is a dutch pied, and not opaline, but probably spilt.

iwill inform you if he gets iris rings.

 

calling RIP.... calling RIP. please come and help me, i hope you can hear me.

okay fine i will just send a pm

 

 

Sorry this post slipped away. I will answer your query but not today. I am about to head off to the races. I also have a ripper of a flu come kind person gave me so the brain is in fog land right now. Nerwen good try to describe but it isn't that simple I'm afraid.

okay RIP thanks, ill be patient and wait for you.

good luck at the races.

RIpP - I know it isn't that simple, sometimes for people to get an understanding it is better to start simple.

RIP .

 

could you please please answer the following questions.

 

1. Does my blue budgie have opaline or opalescence or split for opaline???

the pictures above i hope will help

 

2. Is mortimer a dutch pied or an australian pied, and what does this mean?

 

3. Are both these mutations dominant over normal?

 

4. What type of YF does he have?

 

here are more pictures to help you:

 

 

 

 

 

Has anyone seen RIP i hope she is okay, she hasnt replied and she usually is really quick?

 

RIP have you gone on holidays ?

i guess i wil just have to be patient. no probs.

alpaca-boy

Has anyone seen RIP i hope she is okay, she hasnt replied and she usually is really quick? :laughter:

 

RIP have you gone on holidays ?

i guess i wil just have to be patient. no probs.

alpaca-boy

 

 

rips a tad tied up lol not lituraly ether

she will awnser you hun when she can

im also waiting on a reply from rip regarding something

shes a wantd woman

she will help you

 

their is a leaf right in my veiw so i wont say till i get a full look for sure but i say hes not opaline

but i will not go as far as to say what yf as he has cliped wings and that clouds my judgment on that aspect

 

move the leaf and ill see what i think about the Opaline for you

 

i think type one yf not a golden face i know that much theirs no t enough yellow on wings to be two and that leaves me with saying one

i dont think opaline posably split but you wouldnt know untill you breed him

and as for what type of pied

defenently a contenentalclear flight (dutch dom)from where im sitting

but i will not go as far as to say what yf as he has cliped wings and that clouds my judgment on that aspect

 

Seeing wing flights is a big help in identifying certain birds. Clipped wings does not help at all :laughter:

Just call it Dom Pie & leave it at

that,when they have gone through

the moult & the wings have grown

back, put a picture up,just wait. :laughter:

PICTURE 1

 

he has white flight wings, sorry about that

here you can see in this picture Kaz that he has white flight wings.

and his main tail feather is white and black down the centre,

and the other tail feathers underneath that are a navy blue, if that helps at all?

 

PICTURE 2

 

and GB you can see his full wings here in PICTURE 2, the other side has the same markings =]

there is no blue present anymore.... which is my point as before he had traces of blue through his wings.

as seen in "PICTURE 1" ^^^

 

*if you read this RIP, my questions for you are on page 1 down the bottom, thanks :laughter: *