Hi my name is grant,

 

and i am new to the budgie lingo

i have read up on some of the colourings, markings, mutations, etc

but i can not identify/figure out what colour and mutation my budgie is?

 

and the sex too? he/she has a purplish whitish cere, is this because it is

a baby?

 

i would really appreciate some help, thankyou =]

here are some pictures...

 

 

is this a wing marking mutation?

 

 

this is him/her front on

 

 

this picture is the same as the one above, but i have saturated the colours on my computer,

to make them more obvious

the previous picture is true to real life in terms of its colour

its just that when i look at its chest plumage their are tinges of blue and green and yellow i think, so i enhanced the colour to make it stand out

 

does anyone know what type of budgie i have

thanks for your time =]

grant

Edited December 16, 200915 yr by KAZ

Hi Grant and Welcome

 

On first glance I thought SHE might be a cinnamon grey green, however when i looked more closely her cheek patch (although difficult sto see) does appear violet and not grey so I'd pitch for cinnamon olive or MAYBE even cinnamon yf mauve but being young I would expect her body colour to appear more blue than green at this stage. So I'll stick with Cinnamon Olive for now.

I will go Y/F Grey Spangle.

I will go Y/F Grey Spangle.

NOT Spangle

Is her coloring on her breast even or are their splotches of yellow that is what it looks like to me on my computer green.

yep yf grey normal. she is only a baby so she is just starting to get the bleed of yellow turning her body colour to grey-green

well im sorry but i think normal grey green cinnamon not yf as face not yellow enogh for yf2 and not a astralian yf and type 1 its to dark so... oh i cant even see cheek patches so .. but i see alot of grey in the green mixed with cinnamon this has that efect of patchyness

i would not rule out mauve yf if it is a yellow face but not grey yf

 

have you other pictures of her near sun no flash or saturation photos

Cheek patch is not grey and mottled colour indicates olive rather than grey green. Not YF in my opinion babies this young DO NOT show this much suffusion. That comes in later after their moult.

 

And sorry macka, not spangle.

 

Cinnamon Olive.

Hi all,

 

thankyou so much for your replies !!

very interesting to someone like me who is puzzled at how to identify the colourings

 

so i have a few points

 

- from what all of you are saying alfalfa is a cinnamon

and this means its wing markings are brownish in colour, right?

 

- ITS A GIRL oh wow, so please tell me how do you know this

as i had no clue

i know it has something to do with the nose or cere, which is purplish whitish

and i read somewhere females are brown, and males are blue.

so how did you decipher this so easily?

 

-from this forum i have been left with 4 different options

of the colouring of my bugie all with equal votes

 

-normal grey/green x2 votes

-olive x2 votes

-y/f mauve x2 votes

-y/f grey x2 votes

 

so i am still very confused so i thought id supply some further information

which is more detailed, im hoping this will help you proffessionals identify

the colouring of Alfalfa

oh and additional photos that have better light

so here it is...

 

information-

 

CHEST- at the top of the chest it has yellow plumage which fades

down into the green, this is limited to the very top of its chest, the green is a light green colour

wheni look really close in good light i can definately see that the

colour mixed in the green coat is mauve, not grey, definatley mauve and as you will see in the pictures below possibility cobalt?

 

so it dissolves down the chest from yellow into a green which is then sparsley mixed with mauve in between, the mauve is seen in large amounts near the feet and cloaca?

 

the rump is a green colour, light green though darker than the chest green colour.

 

thats all i have to describe, here are some additional pictures.

also i have a suggestion, could it have violet factor?, and could it possibly be dilute, or not possible?

sorry i have so many questions, im a curios person

and is mottled a chance?

also is y/f yellow face type 2?

 

 

 

 

thanks for your time

grant =]

 

Edited December 19, 200915 yr by alpaca-boy

I disagree with any thought that suggests this is a grey green budgie. Cinnamon YES, Yellowface YES and likely mauve or grey.....I would say mauve by the colouring she is.

 

Also you ask

- ITS A GIRL oh wow, so please tell me how do you know this

as i had no clue

i know it has something to do with the nose or cere, which is purplish whitish

and i read somewhere females are brown, and males are blue.

so how did you decipher this so easily?

Its mainly because of the white on the cere....that indicates female even if the white has some blue with it too

 

could it have violet factor?

NO

 

could it possibly be dilute

NO

 

y/f yellow face type 2?

I would say so.

Cinnamon YF 2 mauve. Cinnamon dilutes the mauve and the YF makes the mauve look greenish. Because it is mauve, it looks grey-greenish, rather than the sea foam green of sky blue, or the darker green of cobalt.

 

So add my vote to the Cinnamon YF2 mauve normal group please.

Edited December 19, 200915 yr by KAZ

Cinnamon YF 2 mauve. Cinnamon dilutes the mauve and the YF makes the mauve look greenish. Because it is mauve, it looks grey-greenish, rather than the sea foam green of sky blue, or the darker green of cobalt.

 

Yes BUT not at this early age! Would love to see another photo of this bird ONCE it's moulted.

it LOOKS mauve............ time will tell

Welcome Grant

wow!

 

this is so interesting

as when i bought it i thought it was a normal green budgie

you know, yellow face, green body, but i knew their was something different

about it so i started to investigate, glad i did

 

current vote stands at

 

Cinnamon girl

 

-normal grey/green x2

-olive x2

-y/f2 mauve x5

-y/f2 grey x2

 

so if it were to be y/f2 mauve

does this mean if it did not have yellow face type 2 it would be

a white faced totally mauve budgie ?

that is so wierd, as now it is the total opposite green and yellow =]

 

does yellow face t2 turn the white parts on the wings yellow also

as well as the face?

 

as i thought it only affected the face?

thankyou all for your help

for a beginner it is exciting

 

so it is definatley a GIRL ? as i am planning to get another soon

and i want to breed them, so i should get a boy?

thanks,

 

grant

 

PS: nubbly5 i will post another picture after the moult but when should i expect it to occur?

PPS: i also thought it was to early for YF2 to affect it so greatly!

why has it had such a rapid affect? is this possible

PPPS: how old would you suggest it be? the photos are very recent

it still has its head markings and its cere has not yet changed colour, what else dtermines the age ?

PPPPS: dave-mcminn, what you said i found very interesting

 

PPPPPS: thanks for answering all my individual questions KAZ

Edited December 20, 200915 yr by alpaca-boy

PPPS: how old would you suggest it be? the photos are very recent

it still has its head markings and its cere has not yet changed colour, what else dtermines the age ?

I would suggest it is no more than 10 weeks of age based on head bars...maybe even less than 10 weeks.

wow!

 

this is so interesting

as when i bought it i thought it was a normal green budgie

you know, yellow face, green body, but i knew their was something different

about it so i started to investigate, glad i did

 

current vote stands at

 

Cinnamon girl

 

-normal grey/green x2

-olive x2

-y/f2 mauve x5

-y/f2 grey x2

 

so if it were to be y/f2 mauve

does this mean if it did not have yellow face type 2 it would be

a white faced totally mauve budgie ?

that is so wierd, as now it is the total opposite green and yellow =]

 

does yellow face t2 turn the white parts on the wings yellow also

as well as the face?

 

as i thought it only affected the face?

thankyou all for your help

for a beginner it is exciting

 

so it is definatley a GIRL ? as i am planning to get another soon

and i want to breed them, so i should get a boy?

thanks,

 

grant

 

PS: nubbly5 i will post another picture after the moult but when should i expect it to occur?

PPS: i also thought it was to early for YF2 to affect it so greatly!

why has it had such a rapid affect? is this possible

PPPS: how old would you suggest it be? the photos are very recent

it still has its head markings and its cere has not yet changed colour, what else dtermines the age ?

PPPPS: dave-mcminn, what you said i found very interesting

 

PPPPPS: thanks for answering all my individual questions KAZ

 

Yes she is very young, I would say no more than a few weeks as she has no iris ring, her cere is not yet coloured (only just started going white) and her head barring in very prominent. And yes definietly a girl so to breed you are going to need a little boy for her!

 

And yes with YF or Golden Face as well, when babies are this young the yellow is not spread much from the mask area. Once they moult out into adult plummage the yellow pigment intensifies right through the body colour too so in adult plummage sometimes its really hard to tell a golden face grey from a normal grey green. So if this girl was adult I would wholeheartedly agree with Cinnamon YF mauve but seeing as she is so young I don't believe that YF is a factor in this bird.

 

She should start to moult out in a month or so - some of mine are start to moult around 3 months of age.

 

Yes IF she were a Cinnamon YF2 mauve then without the YF2 she would be cinnamon mauve.

Definately a yellow face cinnamon female, the base colour is probably mauve.

Yes she is very young, I would say no more than a few weeks as she has no iris ring, her cere is not yet coloured (only just started going white) and her head barring in very prominent. And yes definietly a girl so to breed you are going to need a little boy for her!

 

And yes with YF or Golden Face as well, when babies are this young the yellow is not spread much from the mask area. Once they moult out into adult plummage the yellow pigment intensifies right through the body colour too so in adult plummage sometimes its really hard to tell a golden face grey from a normal grey green. So if this girl was adult I would wholeheartedly agree with Cinnamon YF mauve but seeing as she is so young I don't believe that YF is a factor in this bird.

 

She should start to moult out in a month or so - some of mine are start to moult around 3 months of age.

 

Yes IF she were a Cinnamon YF2 mauve then without the YF2 she would be cinnamon mauve.

 

 

yes this is what i had also considered

so why are some people so certain it is a yellow face?

many have said so in this forum

 

but if not a yellow face type 2 how do we explain the distinct MUAVE markings on the chest?

thanks for your reply =]

 

vote stands at:

 

-normal grey/green x3

-olive x2

-y/f2 mauve x6

-y/f2 grey x2

 

ps: what is golden face?

is this the same as yf2 ? or is it another name for yf1?

thanks =]

 

grant :rofl:

Edited December 24, 200915 yr by KAZ

ps: what is golden face?

is this the same as yf2 ? or is it another name for yf1?

thanks =]

 

it is the same as yellowface 2 also called Australian yellowface

ps: what is golden face?

is this the same as yf2 ? or is it another name for yf1?

thanks =]

 

it is the same as yellowface 2 also called Australian yellowface

 

 

 

It's NOT the same as YF2 it is a seperate mutation called Golden Face or Australian Yellow Face. See here http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=27620

Yes she is very young, I would say no more than a few weeks as she has no iris ring, her cere is not yet coloured (only just started going white) and her head barring in very prominent. And yes definietly a girl so to breed you are going to need a little boy for her!

 

And yes with YF or Golden Face as well, when babies are this young the yellow is not spread much from the mask area. Once they moult out into adult plummage the yellow pigment intensifies right through the body colour too so in adult plummage sometimes its really hard to tell a golden face grey from a normal grey green. So if this girl was adult I would wholeheartedly agree with Cinnamon YF mauve but seeing as she is so young I don't believe that YF is a factor in this bird.

 

She should start to moult out in a month or so - some of mine are start to moult around 3 months of age.

 

Yes IF she were a Cinnamon YF2 mauve then without the YF2 she would be cinnamon mauve.

 

 

yes this is what i had also considered

so why are some people so certain it is a yellow face?

many have said so in this forum

 

but if not a yellow face type 2 how do we explain the distinct MUAVE markings on the chest?

thanks for your reply =]

 

vote stands at:

 

-normal grey/green x3

-olive x2

-y/f2 mauve x6

-y/f2 grey x2

 

ps: what is golden face?

is this the same as yf2 ? or is it another name for yf1?

thanks =]

 

grant

 

Well many people have many opinions and not all of them are going to be the same. I find that we have a tendency here to see violet in every blue and yellow face in every green (hey but that's just the way I see it). Coupled with that many people do not breed olives least of all cinnamon olives. I would have firstly said she was a plain cinnamon grey green but from what I could see of her cheek patch (not much mind you) it looked to be violet and not steel blue - but it WAS hard to tell. So I still sway between cinnamon grey green and cinnamon olive.

 

From the way I see it her markings are not really "distinctive" mauve markings more a mottled effect as you would see with any double dark factor, mauve OR olive.

 

A case in point I have 2 different birds to show you -

 

The first is a bird that is still in the nest and has not moulted out at all. He has a very very strong yellow mask and some of his chest feathers show up as alomst a purplely colour. If I took this with flash photo's or under different light conditions they would stand out even more. This IS a cinnamon olive.

 

 

This next girl also shows a very strong yellow mask and mottled chest feathers but this time her chest feathers show almost a bluey grey colour. This IS a cinnamon grey green.

 

Now let me show you actual YF2 birds.

This first one has not yet started moulting and you can see how the yellow is very restricted to face only. You can see that there is little to no yellow on his wing markings and they appear to have a white ground colour at this stage.

 

In contrast is his father who you can see has an aqua flush to him caused wholey by the heavier yellow suffusion coming through in his adult moult. His daughter above, will eventually carry just as much yellow as him once she moults. On dad you can JUST see the yellow tinge in the wing markings but you have to look for it - on his wing butts.

 

 

Now here is something as close as I can get to a cinnamon YF2 mauve - A cinnamon opaline YF2 grey. okay she is grey so the body colour is not a patchy as you would expect from a mauve but colouring in cinnamon mauve and cinnamon grey is close - well close enough to compare for a YF2 anyway. Remember that she is adult so has her full yellow suffusion.

 

 

AND here is her son from the last round, a cinnamon YF2 grey - okay again not mauve but also not moulted so not showing any of the yellow body suffusion of his mother and grey is as close as I could get to mauve - in the cinnamon form the mauve would look close but maybe a touch darker. Here you can't see any suffusion into the wing markings - that will happen as he moults.

 

 

Golden faces (or Australian Yellowfaces) in comparison show very strong gold masks and frontals as young birds but have clean blue (or mauve, or grey, or cobalt - whatever) bodies. AS they moult into their adult plummage the strong yellow suffusion delevops and they end up looking ALMOST like a green (or grey green). There are plenty of pics of young golden face budgies around on this forum too.

thanks for all your help nubbly 5

your birds ar lovely too!

 

i will be sure to add photos when alfalfa moults

then we can investigate further, if it helps she has a blue tail feather

like a dark cobalt blue

 

thanks everyone!

grant.

ps: what is golden face?

is this the same as yf2 ? or is it another name for yf1?

thanks =]

 

it is the same as yellowface 2 also called Australian yellowface

 

 

 

It's NOT the same as YF2 it is a seperate mutation called Golden Face or Australian Yellow Face. See here http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=27620

 

 

yes it is defenently not astralian golden face baby or do i think it is yf2

i belive its just a cin and its split to blue if its olive that would exp;lain the blue mauve type colour over chest but a yf or a golden face as nub said would still be completly blue mauve what ever

its not

its only green based in my opinion and i really do think your all wrong

 

normally im the one saying its possibly yf but no not this bird sorry

if it ends up breeding yf chicks to a normal white faced cock with absolutely no yf breeding in its history then i will eat my shirt

hey evryone,

 

i dont know if you remeber but last time i posted a question about my budgie > alfalfa <

 

she had a greenish coloured body with blue dispersed through the feathers...

 

many thought it was yf2 and the yellow seepeage had caused the blue to turn green

but then many argued that she was only a baby and this was impossible as she had not gone through

her first moult, it was apperently to early for the yellow to start to seep.

 

so we were all puzzled and i promised i would post again after her first moult well she his either midway

or has already gone through her moult and there are some noticeable changes

 

the green is no longer diffused with blue , but instead there is a great blue spot on her chest

and the green is by itself now???

 

im so confused can someone please tell me what mutation, and colourings she is?

 

thanks alpaca-boy ? GREEN BLUE?

 

here are the pictures...

 

 

 

Is this the same bird with the one yellow/black feather in amongst the white/black feathers... ?