I have a Green Greywing (male) & Green & Yellow Rec pied pair that have produced 3 beautiful little chicks, I was just looking for some help on what the parents may be split for as the babies are skyblue y/f greywing, skyblue y/f normal and green normal, also what the babies may be split for.

 

thanks :rofl:

Well to get a greywing out of that pairing at all the rec pied had to be split greywing or dilute .......they had to be split blue as well and split or visual yellowface..post pictures of the parents and babies.

Edited April 13, 201015 yr by KAZ

maybe I got it wrong the baby might be cinn not greywing :rofl:

 

Father

 

Mother

 

Chicks

 

Dad seems to be dilute. Baby is cinnamon and really very pretty :rofl:

thanks kaz so the Dad would be just called dilute not greywing or would he be a greywing dilute and would the mum or dad be split yellowface

thanks kaz so the Dad would be just called dilute not greywing or would he be a greywing dilute and would the mum or dad be split yellowface

Dad I would say is dilute. I have two like him that were sold to me as greywings but are dilutes.

I coudnt tell you which parent is carrying the yellowface.

Edited April 13, 201015 yr by KAZ

okay thanks for your help Kaz

Test breeding would be the only way to tell that. So what has that cinnamon chick ended up being? A YF Sky Blue Cinnamon? Pretty Pretty.

hi jlee!

 

you are very lucky, your babies are beautiful =] very jealous =]

 

now i am no expert but i would say that the DAD has to be split for cinnamon.

As it is a sex linked mutation, if it is not apparent in hen's phenotype (outward appearance), than she does not carry cinnamon

 

this is because females have a xy genetic makeup and the cinnamon gene lies on the x chromosome. so therefore if she did have cinnamon it would show outwardly.

where as males have a xx genetic makeup, therefore it can lie on one of the x's but not both, therefor not outwardly showing the cinnamon, but instead carrying the gene.

 

therefore this would make the chick a cinnamon GIRL, as if the dad carries one x chromosome with cinnamon, than he could only pass on one of the x cinnamon chromosomes and the mother would pass on no x cinnamon chromosomes. resulting in either a male (xx) , and split for cinnamon OR an xy (female) where the x cinnamon chromosome results in the female showing cinnamon.

 

sorry if you dont get that. i hope i make sense if not check it out here...

http://www.budgieplace.com/gen_cinnamon.html

it might make more sense! =]

 

so in other words that chick with cinnamon is a GIRL

AND the DAD is split for cinnamon.

and the other male chicks may be split for cinnamon.

 

if im wrong can someone please correct me, oh and please please!!!

post more pictures of the chicks!!!

they are lovely and i would love to see more of when they get there full feathers!

 

alpaca boy,

Alpaca boy is correct Dad must be split for cinnamon and both dad and mum are split for blue.

 

Dad is definitely dilute and as visual dilute cannot carry any greywing genes.

thanks nubbly

 

yes nubbly is right they must BOTH be split for blue for you to acheive a blue

 

so therefore dad is split for cinnamon and blue

mum is split for blue!

 

and one of them is either yf or split for yf? i think

 

any more pictures

cant wait =]

 

alpaca boy.

Edited April 17, 201015 yr by KAZ

Thanks so much for you reply Alpaca- boy and Nubbly that helps me a lot ... I will go out and get some more photos for you today Alpaca-boy :bluebudgie:

Hmmm forgot about the yf thing.

 

Having yf babies means that only one parent is split for blue where the other is actually split for yf. YF being recessive to green but dominant to blue (in allelic series) would mean one parent has one green gene/one blue gene and the other would have one green gene/one yf gene.

 

That would mean in theory that you could not get a normal blue from these parents - all would be yf as the only combinations of the available genes from parents (green split yf from one and green split blue from the other) would be:

 

gr/gr - both parents donating a green gene - green chick

gr/bl - one parent donating a green gene, one donating a blue gene - green split for blue chick

gr/yf - one parent donating a green gene, one donating a yf gene - green split for yf

yf/bl - one parent donating a yf gene, one donating a blue gene - yf (techinacally split for blue - or single factor yf)

So the YF gene goes on the same allele as the blue gene? Wow, that is interesting to know. That changes so much in my mind. Interesting to know.

 

So if you have a visual YF bird, does that mean that the bird is YF/b?

So the YF gene goes on the same allele as the blue gene? Wow, that is interesting to know. That changes so much in my mind. Interesting to know.

 

So if you have a visual YF bird, does that mean that the bird is YF/b?

Yes if it is blue or grey, :camera:

Very gorgeous. I actually never knew about the YF gene, so that helps as I am supposedly breeding YF's. I went out a bought a YF Cinnamon Blue cock, very pretty. You are lucking to get such a variety :camera:

photos taken today as promised for Alpaca- boy :camera:

 

 

Sibling

 

 

All the kids

 

Looking very cute!!

thanks jlee.

 

they are very very cute.

you are so lucky im hoping to breed my budgies at the end of the year.

hopefully mine are as cute as yours.

So the YF gene goes on the same allele as the blue gene? Wow, that is interesting to know. That changes so much in my mind. Interesting to know.

 

So if you have a visual YF bird, does that mean that the bird is YF/b?

 

 

Yes dave that's right.

 

Green, YF and blue are all on the same allele so a visual yf could be yf/b or yf/yf (what we normally call single factor yf or double factor yf).

Edited April 18, 201015 yr by nubbly5

that is very helpful to now know Nubbly5 thank you, I am going to let this pair have another round and hope for some more y/f cin skyblues, next time would you suggest I just pair them with normals to hopefully get to the bottom of which parent has the y/f and which one is split blue