okay I won't sell them just yet. I sent a pm to RIPbudgies.

okay I won't sell them just yet. I sent a pm to RIPbudgies.

yes i would send one to clearwing also hes also been in birds for ever and can point you in right direction as to pairings and mateings needed to be done to double up the mutated gene if at all one is present

All my light greens and sky blues have a tail this colour (although it is more apparent in light greens as the green body colour makes it appear more teal, whereas sky blue body colour makes the tail appear more of a bluey turqoise).

sent it. I need to follow up on melanistic spangles. What do spangles tails look like.

sent it. I need to follow up on melanistic spangles. What do spangles tails look like.

Melanistic spangles have white tails in blue series and yellow tails in green series

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by KAZ

All my light greens and sky blues have a tail this colour (although it is more apparent in light greens as the green body colour makes it appear more teal, whereas sky blue body colour makes the tail appear more of a bluey turqoise).

 

 

Oh dang! Thought I had something there. :glare:

we have melanistic spangles on our forum.......use the search function and see

I've done that, that isn't it.

I've done that, that isn't it.

Yes, I know. It isnt a melanistic spangle.

I need to follow up on melanistic spangles. What do spangles tails look like.

Sure it isn't normal like Dea-NZ said?

Sure it isn't normal like Dea-NZ said?

Doesnt seem to be Ratzy :glare:

Thanks. When I get home I'll check everyones tails, except Thimbles, to make sure I haven't missed anything.

Got your PM Ratzy.

 

First things first. Chubba Chubs is still a baby. The feathering on baby budgies is immature and can often lack the full depth of colour that is found in adult budgies. It is not uncommon to find faults in tails, flight feathers or even body feathers in immature feather, but upon moulting it all dissappears. The chance of this being a new mutation, although rare, is not impossible. People have mentioned to keep all siblings and parents. This line of thinking is correct if you follow the 'new mutation' theory. I sent a copy of your picture to a budgie buddy of mine but expect to get a reply similar to what I have already said. He if comes up with anything different I will post it on this thread.

 

Over the years I have received birds from people with various feather abnormalities. They all turned out to be normal after a moult. I myself bred a hen many years ago...an Opaline Light Green.....she went through a moult and the feathers around the neck and facial region was around 90% black instead of being 100% green. This hen was approx 18 months old. Culprit turned out to be too many sunflower seeds consumed during the feather regowing stage so when the new feathers emerged they had had a larger than normal deposition of melanin. Next moult, no sunflower, back to looking like a normal Opaline.

 

Just getting back to your bird for a sec. I did notice that the secondary tail feathers appear not quite as they should or it could be the photo. Sometimes there can be tricks with lights and cameras. Time will tell.

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by RIPbudgies

Hmmm. I took those photos in different lights to show you it wasn't a trick of the light. I'll see how he moults out before make any rash desisions. Thankyou for sending it to your buddy. I will get another picture. I'm uploading more pics now.

Lexi's tail. Is that white meant to be there?

Chubba Chubs tail. While I was taking these shots he stretched and I think there was a green tinge to the feathers underneath the tail.

Marigold's tail. Bit blurry but you can see the colour.

Skye's tail.

When I paired Marigold and Skye together I was expecting normals, blue and green.

Hope these are okay. They are taken without a flash. Lexi's tail looks to be a bit strange to but I thought it was because of the opaline.

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by Ratzy

The white is present in opaline tails. I will check my sky blues and light greens in the morning just so I can be sure that what I am saying is based on fact rather than memory alone :glare:

Thanks, took some more pics. Got to upload them though.I think this illustrates why it isn't a trick of the light.

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by Dave_McMinn

well i am staying optimistic and hoping it is a new mutation... wouldn't that be great!

 

yes it may be a long shot but we haven't really seen anything new lately

 

plus doesn't it look exquisite, i would love a budgie with a green tail, its definitely different

 

hope it works out well ratzy :glare: , alpaca-boy

You had better convince Mum and Dad you have to keep these guys for awhile Ratzy :glare:

Groan... That won't be hard with mum but dad.... I'll convince them to at least keep them til they've finished moulting. Thanks alpaca-boy, if it is a new mutation I think I'm very lucky to get it with my first clutch.

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by Ratzy

I must say that is rather green! Still hoping to check my birds tomorrow but those pictures are mighty interesting :glare:

Yeah, I can't believe I only noticed it a week ago. To think I was going to sell it for $15! If it was a new mutation how much would it be worth?

Yeah, I can't believe I only noticed it a week ago. To think I was going to sell it for $15! If it was a new mutation how much would it be worth?

 

 

if you were smart priceless

if you get my drift

Iam not to sure a budgie with a green

tail,is going to be earth shattering,

has it got any other marking out of the ordering,

on it. :glare:

okay finally convinced them... didn't mention the money part if it is a new mutation, but they know how special budgies are to me and they are mine so it's up to me. Bet your all thinking how lucky would that be for me first time breeding if it was a new mutation, eh? No, macka, but it is a bit different.

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by Ratzy

Glad to hear your parents are letting you keep them for a bit longer. I have marked in your picture the points of interest. Remember as I said the bird is in baby feather and any abnormalities generally dissappear when the bird moults.

 

 

I have recieved the reply from my budgie buddy and as I said he pretty much said the same as I did but he did add a little extra info.

 

Sharon,

I had something similar two years ago. I had two nestmate sisters with green tails. They turned much more blue after the moult. My birds were bred from Dusk birds. These two birds were either ordinary dark greens or possibly (unproven guess) Dusk Light Green.

 

Some opalines have pale tails with more green or yellow than they ought. As this bird is obviously visually Normal, I wonder if it might be a split Opaline Cock. I suspect it is merely a light green Normal with a modifier, but if it retains the strong green into adulthood it might be worth playing with to see if it reproducible.

Ken Yorke

 

As the Dusk mutation is one that I have not personally had experience with I cannot answer any question re that mutation. I am waiting on more info re the Dusk mutation.

 

Lets look at some facts for your 'green tail' budgie.

 

1. It is, at this stage, not proven to be a new mutation so don't get too excited just yet.

 

2. New mutation price tags. ANY bird, new mutation or otherwise, is worth ONLY what some one wishes to pay for it. In days gone by (late 1800's - mid 1930's) any new mutation that emerged was indeed a sight to behold and indeed had the fanciers of the day deeply interested. It was a different atmosphere to that of today. Only a handful of people in budgiedom have that level of interest today. Sadly the show bench dictates worth and availability in quantity of mutations.

 

3. Should, your bird be a new mutation it appears at this stage to be a modifier type only similar to Darkwing. Darkwings can only be seen on certain varieties and on others like a Normal Light Green for example just doesn't show up at all, even in double factored form.

 

4. Any variation to the norm should always be kept, if possible, to ensure it does not just dissappear. I always wonder how many budgies (or other birds) have been disposed of and the breeder was completely unaware of a slight deviation from the normal appearance.

 

I bred a bird some years ago that was different. I will try and get all the photos (although they weren't that good) together and put a post about them and what steps I took to figure out what it was and how I proceeded to breed more and eventually there demise. I have been rather busy lately so havn't had much time to get on here. So be patient

Edited April 9, 201015 yr by RIPbudgies