April 5, 201015 yr That is great Karen... We should organise a run in Perth a few of us going around for a day to pet shops... Road trip... Yippeee...!
April 5, 201015 yr This is a great idea - it will make staff and members of the public form better and informed decisions regarding their birds and/or purchases. Hi 5 ladies on a birdtastic idea! One thing I would possibly note is - place Budgerigar Breeders Club Inc. somewhere on the brochures and leaflets for people who don't know what BBC stands for Ideas for topics for leaflets - just the basics Sexing Baby or Adult Health and Wellbeing - subtopic - Medications and treatments Foods - subtopic - harmful and friendly - subtopic - plants toxic and non toxic Housing Or am I on the wrong wavelength? Are these too complex and not what you're after?
April 5, 201015 yr Yes, I agree with what you folk have been discussing. I think there is a real need for a guide on how to sex young budgies because they are the ones pet shops mostly sell. My local pet shop makes a reasonable job of caring for the birds but they talk piffle to customers about them e.g. "Siblings can breed together. It doesn't matter with birds."
April 5, 201015 yr just wanted to say congrats and good work to those involved in the BBC inspection project. It's great that people will activley monitor pet shops, and offer constructive criticism and advice. Unfortunatley in my experience, customers of pet shops will notice illness and housing conditions in pets such as kittens and puppies, such as cat flu symtoms, runny eyes/noses and skin conditions in pups, they dont miss dirty cages etc,(which is all good) however with birds, unless you have kept birds and aware of particular conditions and signs of illness in birds, this will be missed by average customer entering the store. keep up the good work and keep us all posted! nett.h
April 5, 201015 yr Author This is a great idea - it will make staff and members of the public form better and informed decisions regarding their birds and/or purchases. Hi 5 ladies on a birdtastic idea! One thing I would possibly note is - place Budgerigar Breeders Club Inc. somewhere on the brochures and leaflets for people who don't know what BBC stands for Ideas for topics for leaflets - just the basics Sexing Baby or Adult Health and Wellbeing - subtopic - Medications and treatments Foods - subtopic - harmful and friendly - subtopic - plants toxic and non toxic Housing Or am I on the wrong wavelength? Are these too complex and not what you're after? Some of this new owners can source the info by coming to us later. The thing is if we go overkill it start to cost us too dearly in printing. My original concept is...........if we help the average petshop with info about health and sexing for the birds they buy in, and we can also help them with anything while in their shop................then they should be more condusive to us leaving any info sheets for customers........info sheets that direct them here. Not too much though in the way of info sheets, as it all costs and we arent geared for that kind of expenditure or financial commitment to go overboard. Edited April 5, 201015 yr by KAZ
April 9, 201015 yr I would defaintly do leaflet (for shops to use, training staff) on sexing, adult or baby, basic health and medication. The others like Kaz said the new customer can come here for extra help, info and support... :question: Totally agree with that Kaz, too much and we may go nowhere with it... Start off slow, go in a pet shop, look around and than talk to staff about the birds they may have, say who we are and offer help and if they like we can leave them the info leaflets... Later on down the track when they are trusting us we can ask to leave info for the customers and advertise the BBC website... I found working if retail if you push too hard or do long speachs it lose's interest... I have a pretty good printer, and it only cost me $10.00 for my ink... So I would be more than happy to print things off to get us started when need... Changing BBC to Budgerigar Breeder Club Inc, can easily be done Amy... :question: Maybe in the long term we can get bigger pet shops to change their ways on how they deal with birds and customers... Oh and i forgot to add that if this becomes a success we can do fundraising actives to raise money for printing and any other things we need later on down the track... Edited April 9, 201015 yr by LittleBudgie2005
April 9, 201015 yr Imagine what they'd say if I came in with a leaflet. They wouldn't be to happy if I mentioned that the source they were getting their birds off was unreliable, seeing as they breed them themselves.
April 9, 201015 yr Are their healthy...? If not than there is no harm in saying something... :question:
April 9, 201015 yr Grrr... just lost my whole post on how bad and why this pet shop was bad. Lets just say 12 budgies to a tiny cage I wouldn't consider housing one budgie in. 80% with some medical condition. The rest were visibly heathly, but could have contracted some disease from sick birds. Seed and water dishes under the only perch. I'm worried as the bird manager breeds them herself yet can't tell a normal from opaline. Conditions are horrible as there is a LOT of built up dropping between cages and the cages themselves I think are metal and a bit rusted. I am never ever again going to that pet shop to buy a bird! They have sold me a few sick budgies which all died within the month ( that was when I was eight)!
April 9, 201015 yr okay your all going to hate me but for starters most pet shop owners do know what their buying or do breed the birds themselfs so i dont think they will be to open to people trying to tell them what they should be looking for in birds they buy i think a better thing would be to express to them that quarantine is a must and all birds coming in should be given preventative treatment for either turbosole or ronni vet for canker , ivomectomed for scale and worms and baycox for coccidia and that if when you i back in a month and find the same conditions as you have now with no change and no active quarinteen room for not only budgies but all birds then they will be reported to the local counsel for bad animal management this is way more effective but going on your idea i think suggesting housing the cocks and hens separate and chicks is good idea as you so often see hens laying off perch and hens to young usually i think the best idea is to just leave the bbc web sights address with rip of tabs as kaz stated and then maybe do a threat on pet shop percussing what to look for what not to touch this way someone can do an informative post about all things you see in pet shops such as undershot beaks and in turned feet flightless birds FM BIRDS scaly face poo bum fluffiness extra then what to look for age of bird feet are a dead give away as are Ceres when it comes to age and around the eye , vicariousness of the birds moments bright color including feet and cere color (health related ) feather condition so on but at the same time breeders should to be incoraged not to sell their **** or sick and injerd birds to pet shops it goes two ways good luck guys i do hope you make a difference only good can come from trying Edited April 9, 201015 yr by GenericBlue
April 9, 201015 yr Author Good points GB I think we can comfortably call ourselves BBC Budgie support group. Sounds more helpful than scary to petshops owners. If we can help the petshop owner recognise what they are buying in then they are less likely to have sick or crappy birds up for sale. Helping them by sexing and seperating their birds will make them look forward to our visits even if we do crticise whilst there. Its all for the birds benefit anyway. Some effort on our part is better than seeing things that make us cringe and saying nothing in case we cop an earful of abuse for trying. PS even taking some healthy birds of our own to show them what to look for in their purchases from incoming birds may be of benefit. Edited April 9, 201015 yr by KAZ
April 10, 201015 yr PS even taking some healthy birds of our own to show them what to look for in their purchases from incoming birds may be of benefit. Wouldn't this be breaking quaratine... I'd never want to expose my healthy birds to anything a pet shop may have hanging around them and their birds.
April 10, 201015 yr Author PS even taking some healthy birds of our own to show them what to look for in their purchases from incoming birds may be of benefit. Wouldn't this be breaking quaratine... I'd never want to expose my healthy birds to anything a pet shop may have hanging around them and their birds. I would have no intentions of taking my birds further than near their front door and counter and certainly not down and next to any petshop birds. I think that would be safer.
April 10, 201015 yr PS even taking some healthy birds of our own to show them what to look for in their purchases from incoming birds may be of benefit. Wouldn't this be breaking quaratine... I'd never want to expose my healthy birds to anything a pet shop may have hanging around them and their birds. I would have no intentions of taking my birds further than near their front door and counter and certainly not down and next to any petshop birds. I think that would be safer. wouldnt just suggesting some reliable breeders with culls be as good over take the back yard dodgie money grabbers as get in healthy bird is easyer than treating birds and making healthy then just teaching them healthy feeding and watering wuld be needed their has to be some good petand show breeders with enough culls for pet shop to ring every now and again and ask for some birds
April 10, 201015 yr PS even taking some healthy birds of our own to show them what to look for in their purchases from incoming birds may be of benefit. Wouldn't this be breaking quaratine... I'd never want to expose my healthy birds to anything a pet shop may have hanging around them and their birds. I would have no intentions of taking my birds further than near their front door and counter and certainly not down and next to any petshop birds. I think that would be safer. This when you could use a small number of birds (2-3max) as birds that are ONLY used for this reason... But cared for just as good as our show birds are... This may help reduce the risk of bring anything home with us... Some good tips GenericBlue and we can always hope they do know what their doing but it doesn't and hasn't stop sick birds being showed... Maybe all it takes is someone to say thing and offer a helping hand... Many hands make light work... And how could we hate you GB... We can do rip off tabs for a customer poster, not a problem... I do have a slicer that makes the dots in the paper making it easier to rip off...
April 10, 201015 yr PS even taking some healthy birds of our own to show them what to look for in their purchases from incoming birds may be of benefit. Wouldn't this be breaking quaratine... I'd never want to expose my healthy birds to anything a pet shop may have hanging around them and their birds. I would have no intentions of taking my birds further than near their front door and counter and certainly not down and next to any petshop birds. I think that would be safer. This when you could use a small number of birds (2-3max) as birds that are ONLY used for this reason... But cared for just as good as our show birds are... This may help reduce the risk of bring anything home with us... Some good tips GenericBlue and we can always hope they do know what their doing but it doesn't and hasn't stop sick birds being showed... Maybe all it takes is someone to say thing and offer a helping hand... Many hands make light work... And how could we hate you GB... We can do rip off tabs for a customer poster, not a problem... I do have a slicer that makes the dots in the paper making it easier to rip off... And how could we hate you GB.. well im not easy to love and hates easier :D than acceptance of differences so ...quiet easily
April 10, 201015 yr PS even taking some healthy birds of our own to show them what to look for in their purchases from incoming birds may be of benefit. Wouldn't this be breaking quaratine... I'd never want to expose my healthy birds to anything a pet shop may have hanging around them and their birds. I would have no intentions of taking my birds further than near their front door and counter and certainly not down and next to any petshop birds. I think that would be safer. This when you could use a small number of birds (2-3max) as birds that are ONLY used for this reason... But cared for just as good as our show birds are... This may help reduce the risk of bring anything home with us... Some good tips GenericBlue and we can always hope they do know what their doing but it doesn't and hasn't stop sick birds being showed... Maybe all it takes is someone to say thing and offer a helping hand... Many hands make light work... And how could we hate you GB... We can do rip off tabs for a customer poster, not a problem... I do have a slicer that makes the dots in the paper making it easier to rip off... And how could we hate you GB.. well im not easy to love and hates easier than acceptance of differences so ...quiet easily
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