Reading back through your topics Cranberry it occurs to me you have had a whole lot of trouble trying to breed with your petshop culls.

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....ult_type=topics

 

Maybe its time to try buying from a good breeder face to face and dispell those myths in your head about too expensive or just the same thing as petshop culls ?

 

Did you get any chicks yet from breeding the ones you have mentioned in your other topics ?

 

Yes, I got 2 clutches last year. I then had to sell off my birds for one reason or another. These birds have gone on to raise clutches for the people that bought them as I have kept in touch with them.

 

One hen is now on her third clutch since November last year.

 

Thanks for doing a search on my history here...

 

So back on topic, which birds do you prefer in my pictures?

which birds do you prefer in my pictures?

 

None...

 

BUT cant see the legring or age, have no history of the bird to go on ( which I would get from a breeder ),

cant feel it in my hand or see it fully by one photo.

 

So, no thanks. None of the above.

Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ

Reading back through your topics Cranberry it occurs to me you have had a whole lot of trouble trying to breed with your petshop culls.

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....ult_type=topics

 

Maybe its time to try buying from a good breeder face to face and dispell those myths in your head about too expensive or just the same thing as petshop culls ?

 

Did you get any chicks yet from breeding the ones you have mentioned in your other topics ?

 

Yes, I got 2 clutches last year. I then had to sell off my birds for one reason or another. These birds have gone on to raise clutches for the people that bought them as I have kept in touch with them.

 

One hen is now on her third clutch since November last year.

 

Thanks for doing a search on my history here...

 

So back on topic, which birds do you prefer in my pictures?

 

 

I love a good argument!!! Kazkhstan has some famous citizens, Borat comes to mind Kaz, you may be related.

 

 

I would have the spangle cock every day of the week.

Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ

I would have the spangle cock every day of the week.

 

Which one? There are 2 in the pics.

Edited March 24, 201015 yr by cranberry

this one

which birds do you prefer in my pictures?

None...BUT cant see the legring or age, have no history of the bird to go on ( which I would get from a breeder ),cant feel it in my hand or see it fully by one photo.So, no thanks. None of the above.

But you would be missing out on 2 wonderful breeder culls? These are the ones that were too good to go to the dealer.

Edited March 24, 201015 yr by cranberry

But you would be missing out on 2 wonderful breeder culls? These are the ones that were too good to go to the dealer.

 

 

So what...........every one of us looks for something different in a bird we require. Not to mention the fact that a lot of us on here who are show breeding now have to be very aware of faults the birds may have that may be taking a step backwards for us, and also weighed up against what we have at home that likely is way better than what you have posted and what our immediate needs are....or not as the case may be.

Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ

okay curious...How is the green spangle superior to the blue spangle? Stance is poor, head lacks back of skull proportions etc. Please explain.

How is the green spangle superior to the blue spangle? Stance is poor, head lacks back of skull proportions etc. Please explain.

The blue spangle is CR*P

Please explain...seriously, I'm a beginner so I would like to know what to look out for.

 

And do you like the Normal Green Hen?

Edited March 24, 201015 yr by cranberry

you dont have a normal green hen there. You have a cinnamon green hen with extremely bad posture, hinged tail, short mask and no frontal rise etc etc etc

Thank you. I rest my case. It's not mine. That is a well known breeders cull bird.

i have to say that this is not so kaz with 3 of the pet shop dealers i go to well not anymore

but when i couldnt find a breeder or were looking for certain ring coodes in pet stores

i got at least 6 of my best birds from pet shop 20 bucks each

and when i got home with them and found the background history

i was pleasently told that the birds were from great blood and would do very well for me

i even got tips on what type of bird to pair them to

when i culled recently

it was mainly birds i brought from breeders that were culed

 

5 or 6 breeders i know would rather put stock in a pet shop than sell to another breeder

when asked why it makes perfict sence

i know i will always veiw the pet shop before the breeders as most the time you go to the breeders they say well if i dont sell them their going to the pet shop

usually if you wait a few days that very same bird for fiffty i can get for twenty

 

so not all breeders sell **** to pet chains as the birds are just in their way

and need to be turned over

Common sense and economics would dictate that if a petshop gives you $5 per bird then you arent selling anything worthwhile for that $5.

GB --> Standing Ovation!!!!

i have to say that this is not so kaz with 3 of the pet shop dealers i go to well not anymore

but when i couldnt find a breeder or were looking for certain ring coodes in pet stores

i got at least 6 of my best birds from pet shop 20 bucks each

and when i got home with them and found the background history

i was pleasently told that the birds were from great blood and would do very well for me

i even got tips on what type of bird to pair them to

when i culled recently

it was mainly birds i brought from breeders that were culed

 

5 or 6 breeders i know would rather put stock in a pet shop than sell to another breeder

when asked why it makes perfict sence

i know i will always veiw the pet shop before the breeders as most the time you go to the breeders they say well if i dont sell them their going to the pet shop

usually if you wait a few days that very same bird for fiffty i can get for twenty

 

so not all breeders sell **** to pet chains as the birds are just in their way

and need to be turned over

Common sense and economics would dictate that if a petshop gives you $5 per bird then you arent selling anything worthwhile for that $5.

 

I think you may have pulled one sentence out of many GB and have missed some of what has been said.

I think GB has captured the essence of what we are talking about perfectly! May I suggest that just because it does not coincide with your view of the world, there is no need to dismiss her comment because you think she has not done her research on the thread. That to me is rude...

Edited March 24, 201015 yr by cranberry

Whats better about the Grey Green Spangle - FEATHER. He is that far ahead of the other birds its not funny.

Whats better about the Grey Green Spangle - FEATHER. He is that far ahead of the other birds its not funny.

What do you think of the Green Hen?

I have bought birds from pet shops many a time, and it is really hit and miss.

Most breeders worth their salt will not sell a bad breeder to another breeder face to face... Any breeder who sells a bird that dosent breed looses a lot of reputation in the club so ensuring birds breed well is very important.

 

birds with serious exhibition faults however, are not treated the same. It is up to the buyer to know what they are looking for in the budgie. Education is the key to picking great birds. knowing your faults, features and what is required to build a stunning show bird.

 

birds that breed badly and have issues in the nest are in higher concentration in the dealers than at a breeders. You are more likly to buy a bad breeder from a dealer, where as a breeder would normally give a breeding history on the bird

cranberry breeders stock is only worth what it is to the person

for example

i am breeding albinos from a breeders line her in my town i chose his line as i loved all his birds when i saw them

i could never go to the dealer where i get other good breeders culls (good ones ) and get a bird of any way near as important as any of his birds to my stud

even his smaller culls are of great importance to me some times

as when you see all the family relaited to my birds then if your a good breeder you use them birds small or not the right way and your going to suseed in breeding large birds also

this breeders smaller culls would be more inportaint to me now than anything to keep the breeders look in my birds so by time i have enough of my own breed stock from his stock out crossed to other breeders stock

i will then need these what look like **** pet culls to bring back and out the larger genetics that my line holds but does not show

blood line is very importaint in that sence so buying from breeder is really a matter of nececerty sometimes regardless of what the bird looks like its sometimes what it holds

 

and not all breeders charge through the nose for good birds but i would never expect to walk out with a dinimight bird unless they have got better or decide its not working for them anymore

but thats not to say wont work for you

at least you get told it may not work but then choise is yours to buy or not

Were you born in KAZakhstan? LOL!

 

You've totally misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm not doubting the fact that breeders on the whole will have better birds on offer - but at a price. I seriously doubt if their cull stock is any better than what you would find in a dealer. That's my opinion, based on pictures of what I've seen on offer and what I've seen at dealers. That's all I'm saying.

 

I'm not sure what makes you think I'm against breeders or have a chip on my shoulder. It seems the people responding to me seem to have chips on their shoulders and only want to think a certain way as well. Works both ways. Just remember, because some people have easy access to breeders and birds in a certain part of Australia doesn't mean we all have that luxury. We make do with what we can get in this neck of the woods. Ker plunk!

Whats better about the Grey Green Spangle - FEATHER. He is that far ahead of the other birds its not funny.

What do you think of the Green Hen?

 

Not much from looking at the picture, really depends on what else you have to use.

Whats better about the Grey Green Spangle - FEATHER. He is that far ahead of the other birds its not funny.

What do you think of the Green Hen?

 

Not much from looking at the picture, really depends on what else you have to use.

That's a breeders cull bird. You know the ones that get sold after the **** ones have gone to the dealer...

That's a breeders cull bird. You know the ones that get sold after the **** ones have gone to the dealer...

There are all kinds of breeders, and its up to the purchaser to go look with a view in mind to their needs and with an educated eye. Learning what to look for, which has been stated already, can be learnt by going to club meetings before you go out buying birds you thinbk may be show or breeding quality.

um cranberry kaz was right i did just read down to her post and just grab it and state my thoughts

i do that woops but it stands what i wrote however kaz is dead on with her asumption i just grabbed at one certain line as i did

 

very intewitive of you kaz

I think GB has captured the essence of what we are talking about perfectly! May I suggest that just because it does not coincide with your view of the world, there is no need to dismiss her comment because you think she has not done her research on the thread. That to me is rude...

Yes but your whole argument was based around the "fact" that you will get better birds from breeders as they will offer you better birds than dealers. So taking the example of the Cinnamon Green Hen...if you rocked up to the breeder, he would have asked $50 for it without blinking. Yeah that sounds like a great deal to me...here is the poor beginner thinking they were getting a great bird.

i do that woops but it stands what i wrote

That's okay GB. What you said supported my arguments anyway.