Posted March 24, 201015 yr Most people end up buying anything they think looks like a show type bird and in partuclar because it looks bigger and better than their pet types and has a legring on...dont. Learn what you need to be looking for first by joining a club and seeing the birds. There are always birds for sale through cloubs and members. Better buying that way mostly than trying to find culls in petshops. There's usually a reason birds are culled to petshops so you may be buying a problem. I disagree with this statement... Culls that go to dealers are the same culls that breeders try to sell off at inflated prices. Culls are culls. Do you honestly think breeders send their bad culls to the dealer and try to sell their good culls privately. I think too many people are hypnotized by the fact that dealers are selling birds to them directly. Ooh it's from a breeder, it must be a great bird! Do not get caught up in the hype. Breeders sell just as much **** as dealers. Just as a bird in a dealer may have a problem, a breeders birds could equally have a problem, hence the sell off. Keep your eyes, ears and mind open. That's my advice. The best club rung hen I had last year was a pet shop cull for $15. Like a breeder is going to sell you top quality birds at a reasonable price? Yeah right!
March 24, 201015 yr Most people end up buying anything they think looks like a show type bird and in partuclar because it looks bigger and better than their pet types and has a legring on...dont. Learn what you need to be looking for first by joining a club and seeing the birds. There are always birds for sale through cloubs and members. Better buying that way mostly than trying to find culls in petshops. There's usually a reason birds are culled to petshops so you may be buying a problem. I disagree with this statement... Culls that go to dealers are the same culls that breeders try to sell off at inflated prices. Culls are culls. Do you honestly think breeders send their bad culls to the dealer and try to sell their good culls privately. I think too many people are hypnotized by the fact that dealers are selling birds to them directly. Ooh it's from a breeder, it must be a great bird! Do not get caught up in the hype. Breeders sell just as much **** as dealers. Just as a bird in a dealer may have a problem, a breeders birds could equally have a problem, hence the sell off. Keep your eyes, ears and mind open. That's my advice. The best club rung hen I had last year was a pet shop cull for $15. Like a breeder is going to sell you top quality birds at a reasonable price? Yeah right! Most show breeders in our club regularly bring for sale birds to meetings between the $20 and $30 range. Within a club, face to face, there is a code of ethics about what we sell to each other. There is an expected code of conduct and a kind of guarantee. There is no such code of ethics to birds shopped off to pet stores. The mere fact that pet stores pay so little for the birds in the first place means that a breeder may not care what they are selling to a pet store. For instance why sell a bird they can get $30 upwards ( from a fellow club member ) when they may only get $5-$8 from the pet store ? So, in essence the breeders rubbish mostly is what goes to a pet store. Yes you will get a bird or two worthwhile or one you can use from a pet store and sometimes a breeder will sell better quality to a particular pet store than most BUT my point I was trying to make is If you go to a club you will learn what to look for in choosing real show breeding stock and not just guess when you see anything of a reasonable size in pet store stock.
March 24, 201015 yr Most people end up buying anything they think looks like a show type bird and in partuclar because it looks bigger and better than their pet types and has a legring on...dont. Learn what you need to be looking for first by joining a club and seeing the birds. There are always birds for sale through cloubs and members. Better buying that way mostly than trying to find culls in petshops. There's usually a reason birds are culled to petshops so you may be buying a problem. I disagree with this statement... Culls that go to dealers are the same culls that breeders try to sell off at inflated prices. Culls are culls. Do you honestly think breeders send their bad culls to the dealer and try to sell their good culls privately. I think too many people are hypnotized by the fact that dealers are selling birds to them directly. Ooh it's from a breeder, it must be a great bird! Do not get caught up in the hype. Breeders sell just as much **** as dealers. Just as a bird in a dealer may have a problem, a breeders birds could equally have a problem, hence the sell off. Keep your eyes, ears and mind open. That's my advice. The best club rung hen I had last year was a pet shop cull for $15. Like a breeder is going to sell you top quality birds at a reasonable price? Yeah right! Not in my case. I keep my best birds to breed and show. The next tier are sold at club auctions, sold privately, swapped or given to friends. The rest go to the pet shop. I think your generalised view of breeders is rather jaundiced and cynical. PT Edited March 24, 201015 yr by chookbreeder9
March 24, 201015 yr I think your generalised view of breeders is rather jaundiced and cynical. PT Well good for you...
March 24, 201015 yr I think your generalised view of breeders is rather jaundiced and cynical. PT Well good for you... Cranberry,You have 8 birds,last week you were complaining you could't find breeders to sell you birds.This week you are an expert on what breeders do with there birds. *** edited out the personal attacks*** Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ
March 24, 201015 yr I tend to Agree with KAZ, PT and macka. I would say most breeders would sell all that they can privately and then sell what they can't to pet stores/dealers on the cheap. If the dealer sold you a bird at $15 they are only paying $5-$10 for that bird.
March 24, 201015 yr I think your generalised view of breeders is rather jaundiced and cynical. PT Well good for you... Cranberry,You have 8 birds,last week you were complaining you could't find breeders to sell you birds.This week you are an expert on what breeders do with there birds. Well I still can't find any breeders that live within a reasonable distance of me. I never said I was an expert on what breeders do with their birds. You said that. I've only repeated what I've heard talking to dealers and why they get stock and under what circumstances the breeders sell their stock to them. Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ edited out the personal attacks
March 24, 201015 yr I've only repeated what I've heard talking to dealers and why they get stock and under what circumstances the breeders sell their stock to them. A bird dealer will tell you anything that makes them a sale.
March 24, 201015 yr Well I still can't find any breeders that live within a reasonable distance of me. I never said I was an expert on what breeders do with their birds. You said that. I've only repeated what I've heard talking to dealers and why they get stock and under what circumstances the breeders sell their stock to them. I think it might be in the best interest for dealers to tell you this so that you keep going to them? I have no doubt that some breeders will cull bad birds to new people in the hobby but that is a minority and really it's not in their best interest. You sell me good birds and I'll be back, you sell me bad birds and I won't be... P.S. I can't believe it took me 5 minutes to type that reply... Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ
March 24, 201015 yr Common sense and economics would dictate that if a petshop gives you $5 per bird then you arent selling anything worthwhile for that $5.
March 24, 201015 yr Some breeders could not be bothered having people coming around to their house, snooping around to buy birds. It's more convenient for them to offload to the dealers, especially if they are not in the hobby for money. Some of the pictures I see of breeders birds around the place look rubbish, yet they seem to be held in high regard just because they are breeders birds. Maybe I should put some pictures up of dealers cull birds and breeder birds and let you decide.
March 24, 201015 yr Some of the pictures I see of breeders birds around the place look rubbish, yet they seem to be held in high regard just because they are breeders birds. Maybe I should put some pictures up of dealers cull birds and breeder birds and let you decide. Have a go then...
March 24, 201015 yr Cranberry, have you had a bad expereince that makes you so against show breeders but still wanting to buy show type birds ? Are you so firmly of the belief that the birds you buy as culls are cheaper and better than you would get offered from a show breeder ? You have said in your other topic you neither have the time or inclination to go along to a budgie club, so how would you ever be able to see what your other options are. Cheapest isnt always best if thats your reason for pet shop buys. And a breeder over here who is at nationals level will still sell culls at $20 to help the newbies where the petshop charges $30 to $45 ( mostly $45 ) for club rung bvirds. You may have a chip on your shoulder based on supposition and not reality.
March 24, 201015 yr Just curious, do you breed chooks or budgies, going by your username? Budgies as big as chooks.
March 24, 201015 yr Just curious, do you breed chooks or budgies, going by your username?Wouldnt you be surprised Do you breed cranberries ? Just curious, do you breed chooks or budgies, going by your username?Budgies as big as chooks.I really like your chooks
March 24, 201015 yr Were you born in KAZakhstan? LOL! You've totally misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm not doubting the fact that breeders on the whole will have better birds on offer - but at a price. I seriously doubt if their cull stock is any better than what you would find in a dealer. That's my opinion, based on pictures of what I've seen on offer and what I've seen at dealers. That's all I'm saying. I'm not sure what makes you think I'm against breeders or have a chip on my shoulder. It seems the people responding to me seem to have chips on their shoulders and only want to think a certain way as well. Works both ways. Just remember, because some people have easy access to breeders and birds in a certain part of Australia doesn't mean we all have that luxury. We make do with what we can get in this neck of the woods. Ker plunk!
March 24, 201015 yr Were you born in KAZakhstan? LOL! Very funny NOT You've totally misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm not doubting the fact that breeders on the whole will have better birds on offer - but at a price. Who says all show breeders sell at huge prices ? I have already told you they dont. I seriously doubt if their cull stock is any better than what you would find in a dealer. That's my opinion, based on pictures of what I've seen on offer and what I've seen at dealers. That's all I'm saying. What pictures ? I'm not sure what makes you think I'm against breeders or have a chip on my shoulder. It seems the people responding to me seem to have chips on their shoulders and only want to think a certain way as well. Works both ways. Just remember, because some people have easy access to breeders and birds in a certain part of Australia doesn't mean we all have that luxury. We make do with what we can get in this neck of the woods. Ker plunk! Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ
March 24, 201015 yr Even me as a novice knows to sell the top of my culls privately, then anything left goes to the dealers. Selling the culls is the only way to make the money to feed the birds. when feeding 50kg of seed every month, it gets VERY expensive Where are you located and I am sure i would know someone within 20km of you
March 24, 201015 yr I'm not sure what makes you think I'm against breeders or have a chip on my shoulder. Try - "Ooh it's from a breeder, it must be a great bird! Do not get caught up in the hype. Breeders sell just as much **** as dealers." The reality is - breeders sell their **** to dealers. PT Edited March 24, 201015 yr by chookbreeder9
March 24, 201015 yr I'm not sure what makes you think I'm against breeders or have a chip on my shoulder. Try - "Ooh it's from a breeder, it must be a great bird! Do not get caught up in the hype. Breeders sell just as much **** as dealers." The reality is - breeders sell their **** to dealers. PT Does the **** go directly to dealers or is an attempt made to sell it to Joe Public first?
March 24, 201015 yr I'm not sure what makes you think I'm against breeders or have a chip on my shoulder. Try - "Ooh it's from a breeder, it must be a great bird! Do not get caught up in the hype. Breeders sell just as much **** as dealers." The reality is - breeders sell their **** to dealers. PT Does the **** go directly to dealers or is an attempt made to sell it to Joe Public first? The obvious ones go straight to the dealer. After people have viewed and picked through my remaining culls, what is left goes to the dealer. As culls - I have already determined that they are not suitable for my purposes. If others can pick through them and find something they need, then good luck to them. My culls sell for $20 - 25. Auction quality birds are sold from home occaisionally for $50 - $100, which is under auction price (this year 22 of my birds sold at auction have averaged just over $150 with a top of $300). If a bird has an obvious problem (won't lay, old infertile cocks, etc) they find their way into the bin. I don't "attempt to sell" anything. I would sooner send them to either an auction or the dealer - it's a lot less hassle, however I do try and assist people by selling birds from home, just as people did for me when I first started. Thanks PT
March 24, 201015 yr Thanks for that Peter. Good to hear you assist the newbies where you can. Some of the pictures I see of breeders birds around the place look rubbish, yet they seem to be held in high regard just because they are breeders birds. Maybe I should put some pictures up of dealers cull birds and breeder birds and let you decide.Have a go then... okay, compare these: Dominant Pied Cock Sky Blue Spangle Cock To these: Normal Green Hen Spangle Grey Green Cock Which ones would you choose? Edited March 24, 201015 yr by cranberry
March 24, 201015 yr Reading back through your topics Cranberry it occurs to me you have had a whole lot of trouble trying to breed with your petshop culls. http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....ult_type=topics Maybe its time to try buying from a good breeder face to face and dispell those myths in your head about too expensive or just the same thing as petshop culls ? Did you get any chicks yet from breeding the ones you have mentioned in your other topics ? Edited March 24, 201015 yr by KAZ
