okay well ill get some pictures up so you know what i mean bu. ive seen some birds

 

okay you see with the first 3 pictures the heads are kind of round but with the last pictures (arr so hard to explain its kind of more like square??. anyone understand??. i dont mean the colours or anything but the shape of the head. is this because of their age or is it a type of mutation??.

 

First one

 

And then this is the one i mean is different from the first 3 not the colour but the head

 

It is based upon the fact that the 3rd picture has a bird in it whose parentage or genetic line, has some show bird breeding in it.

 

The smaller head is asociated with pet type birds, the more rectangular head (as you say) is a result of selective breeding over many years to establish different physical traits in the show birds. It is not really a mutation, no more so than different body shapes of people are a mutation, but rather it is a trait amongst show type birds.

so pet type birds have the round head im talking about but show type birds will have the squarish head?

Edited March 14, 201015 yr by Houman

not sure if I'd say square heads but yes.

so pet type birds have the round head im talking about but show type birds will have the squarish head?

 

Not exactly.............pet type birds have what is often called ( by show breeders ) PINHEADS ( small heads very much like the original bush budgies ) :P

 

The difference in feather quality and size of a show budgies makes its head look different ........thats all.

 

SQUARE is NOT the shape show breeders are aiming for............we are trying to breed fully rounded heads on our birds...........not SQUARE

 

This fellow is not the best example of a show budgie.

 

These are show budgies ( thanks gary Armstrong )

 

 

 

notice NO SQUARE HEADS :rofl:

Edited March 14, 201015 yr by KAZ

The ignorant lady in the pet shop thinks boys have square heads while girls have round...... didn't even know about ceres. Must have been embarrasing for her to see a twelve year old girl corecting a pet store owner.

Lol okay thanks for that. means im not a crazy lunatic who can see different shaped budgie heads

The ignorant lady in the pet shop thinks boys have square heads while girls have round...... didn't even know about ceres. Must have been embarrasing for her to see a twelve year old girl corecting a pet store owner.

 

A lot of bad information comes out of the mouths of pet store employees.

The ignorant lady in the pet shop thinks boys have square heads while girls have round...... didn't even know about ceres. Must have been embarrasing for her to see a twelve year old girl corecting a pet store owner.

 

And the lady in the pet store didn't know what an opaline was..... .or a grey........ or lutino. Considering she breeds them that is weird.

not sure if I'd say square heads but yes.

 

 

Maybe we could say "more angular heads" :rofl:

 

 

And anyone who calls a pet type a "pinhead" should be stripped naked, covered in honey and rolled in millet and left in a cage of 50 pet type budgies

And anyone who calls a pet type a "pinhead" should be stripped naked, covered in honey and rolled in millet and left in a cage of 50 pet type budgies :laughter: :laughter:

 

 

:laughter:

not sure if I'd say square heads but yes.

 

 

Maybe we could say "more angular heads" :laughter:

 

 

And anyone who calls a pet type a "pinhead" should be stripped naked, covered in honey and rolled in millet and left in a cage of 50 pet type budgies :laughter: :laughter:

 

hmm i might try that sometime, its much worse than a bee beard

i call it the mummy head as i find hens with these small heads feed and breed better in pets

my half show half pets dont have square heads

like that one does some have very fluffy heads though

These are show budgies ( thanks gary Armstrong )

 

 

 

notice NO SQUARE HEADS :rofl: :rofl:

 

Um, houman, if I may hijack your thread to ask a question that has been on my mind forever.

 

The kind of heads as shown above, I am very curious how in the universe will the bird be able to see with feathers almost covering the eyes? (no offense, I know these are great looking birds)

Would that make it less able to defend itself from predators (if any), say coming from the front?

I think its fair to say there is a reason that wild budgies are the way they are...

 

Interestingly enough, I read a study that was done in Florida about wild budgerigars that had either been released deliberately or had escaped and became feral. They now are living freely and the study found that in the beginning there were birds of varying colours, however after a period of time, I believe it was a matter of years from memory, they were all green except for very minimal blue birds.

 

The study didn't mention size or feather but I would imagine that the lighter more flightier birds would've been the ones that survived. Gotta find the website where the study was on... It was the University of Florida or something...

These are show budgies ( thanks gary Armstrong ) notice NO SQUARE HEADS :rofl: :rofl:

Um, houman, if I may hijack your thread to ask a question that has been on my mind forever.The kind of heads as shown above, I am very curious how in the universe will the bird be able to see with feathers almost covering the eyes? (no offense, I know these are great looking birds)Would that make it less able to defend itself from predators (if any), say coming from the front?

These birds can see perfectly well. The pose adopted by the birds in those photos is when its "on show" ..........they dont look like that flying around the aviary or sitting on a perch under normal conditions. Once they tuck the beak in and roll their head feathers forward they then look as you see them in these photos. And they can see and the feathers are not covering their eyes most of the time.

and the study found that in the beginning there were birds of varying colours, however after a period of time, I believe it was a matter of years from memory, they were all green except for very minimal blue birds.

Since green is dominant ...........it would explain why there are more greens.

Edited March 25, 201015 yr by KAZ

Are they trained to adopt that pose on command? How do they know how to do that during show judging?

Are they trained to adopt that pose on command? How do they know how to do that during show judging?

NO..........they do this when relaxed. Being relaxed in a show cage is part of show cage training.

Are they trained to adopt that pose on command? How do they know how to do that during show judging?

NO..........they do this when relaxed. Being relaxed in a show cage is part of show cage training.

 

 

Really? WOW

 

I have 7 exhibition budgies but wouldn't even begin to know how to show one but when Bluebell (my favourite of the 7) relaxes, she looks like an overcooked noodle hanging on a clothesline! Guess no blue ribbons for that my little girl huh???? :rofl: :rofl:

Are they trained to adopt that pose on command? How do they know how to do that during show judging?

NO..........they do this when relaxed. Being relaxed in a show cage is part of show cage training.

 

 

Really? WOW

 

I have 7 exhibition budgies but wouldn't even begin to know how to show one but when Bluebell (my favourite of the 7) relaxes, she looks like an overcooked noodle hanging on a clothesline! Guess no blue ribbons for that my little girl huh???? :rofl: :rofl:

 

Not all show budgies know how to behave well in a show cage

 

 

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=28272

Edited March 26, 201015 yr by KAZ

In years past it was common to consider that cock birds had squarer heads than hens. I remember reading and hearing this quite a bit when mum was breeding budgies in the 70's. This was when budgies had less feather and blow to disguise the actual head shape.

 

Even old budgie books will describe the differences between cock and hen heads:

 

"The Cult of the Budgerigar" Fourth Edition 1954 - Hens usually have lower domes and more budging frontals than cocks.

 

It was the "higher dome" on the cocks that gave them a squarer looking head to a hen. It was not really a reliable difference though, so this was only a help in sexing budgies with the cere being the real teller.