I've been searching the forum to try to figure out how to identify the Clearflight Pied. There isn't a section for photos of members' clearflight pieds. That would have been the first place to look.

 

I did find one post that described it as having full body color and only the primary flight feathers clear, with a pied spot on the back of it's head. It sounds like the only difference between clearflight and dominant pied would be the band of clear feathers on the dominant pied's belly. Are there any other differences? Does anyone have pictures of known clearflight pieds they can post?

 

Thanks in advance. :sadsorry:

Clearflight Pieds look like this. Some have less markings, even so far as a tiny bit of white (or none) on the front and some white flight feathers with the white spot at the back of the head. But most have the white at the top of their chest and on their flight feathers. Dominant Pieds don't.

 

Dominant Pieds look like this. A bar of white across the middle and the pied spot with clear flights sometimes. This is the best picture I could find..

 

I hope this helps. Basic rule, if it has the pied spot, pied flights, and a bar across the middle of them, it's a Dominant Pied. If the white is on their chest just under their face, then it's a Clearflight Pied.

Here is Bubblegum ( R.I.P )

 

 

 

 

He is clearflight dom pied

Here is Bubblegum ( R.I.P )

 

 

 

 

He is clearflight dom pied

 

 

Does that mean he was a combination?

Here is Bubblegum ( R.I.P )

 

 

 

 

He is clearflight dom pied

 

 

Does that mean he was a combination?

No. it means I may have said it wrong

Here is Bubblegum ( R.I.P )

 

 

 

 

He is clearflight dom pied

 

 

Does that mean he was a combination?

No. it means I may have said it wrong

 

 

:rofl: Oh, thanks a lot! Now I am even more confused! :rofl: :rofl:

I have a few

 

Here are a few as babies in the nestbox - note the clear flights, even when young

 

As they got older

 

Their mum - Kiwi

 

Here they are today

 

Kiwi on the right

Edited February 19, 201015 yr by Dave_McMinn

Wow, Dave! That's a lot! Thanks for posting so many pictures.

 

But I still have a question. How can I tell the difference between clearflight and dominant pied? I would have probably guessed that most of those were dommies, so there must be something I am missing here.

 

Could it be the amount of clear feathers on the belly, and that doms are in a band whereas clearflights are more irregular?

I am no expert, but the easiest way I think is to think of it like this.

 

A clearflight pied looks like a normal bird except that it does not have the normal pattern on its flight feathers in its wings.

 

Take the bird below for example as it is not opaline, so it is probably the best example. From the front it looks like a normal bird

 

 

There might be some slight discolouration on the stomach due to being a type of pied, but generally they all look like a normal bird.

 

When you look at its flight feathers you notice they are devoid of the black, or cinnamon if they are cinnamon wings.

 

 

Look at the two birds here. Both are opaline, but that does not matter. Both are cinnamons, but that is also irrelevant in this case. The one on the right (Kiwi is the mother to all the clearflights I showed above) is a clearflight pied. Notice her flights have no other colour but her base body colour - white - whilst the bird on her left has the normal pimentation of darker flights - they are dark not her greygreen body colour.

 

 

Pieds are more likely to have scatted wing markings, whereas a clearflight pied has normal body markings, but their flights are the colour of their base body colour - white or blue.

 

Does that make sense? I am no expert but that is how I think of it.

Edited February 20, 201015 yr by Dave_McMinn

Thank you, Dave. It makes sense. That was a great way to explain it.

 

So the main difference between a dominant pied and a clearflight pied is the "normal-ness" of the body of the bird. (Dominants have a belly band, Clearflights do not, or they have just a little mottling.)

 

I really appreciate your taking your time to explain it so well, and also posting so many pictures.

 

:bliss: By the way, do you copy and paste all your pictures individually, or is there a way to post multiple pictures at one time from photobucket?

 

 

Back on topic:

 

The reason I was wondering about this, is because some of my baby chicks look like they might be clearflight pied. Their mother is a dom pied split for something , so I was expecting dom pied babies, but a couple of them don't have the clear belly band.

 

Here is one:

 

 

 

 

And here is the other one:

 

 

 

So what do you think? Dom or Clearflight?

Thank you, Dave. It makes sense. That was a great way to explain it.

 

So the main difference between a dominant pied and a clearflight pied is the "normal-ness" of the body of the bird. (Dominants have a belly band, Clearflights do not, or they have just a little mottling.)

 

I really appreciate your taking your time to explain it so well, and also posting so many pictures.

 

No prolem at all.

 

:bliss: By the way, do you copy and paste all your pictures individually, or is there a way to post multiple pictures at one time from photobucket?

 

I paste inidividuall from Photobucket. It is not hard. I find the picture I want, click on the image link press Ctrl+C clikc on the tab for the BBC and make sure the curor is in the right place then press Ctrl+V

 

Back on topic:

 

The reason I was wondering about this, is because some of my baby chicks look like they might be clearflight pied. Their mother is a dom pied split for something , so I was expecting dom pied babies, but a couple of them don't have the clear belly band.

 

Here is one:

 

 

 

 

And here is the other one:

 

 

 

So what do you think? Dom or Clearflight?

 

I think it is a Clearflight Pied. You can get combinations of both dommie and clearflight pieds.

okay, I kind of thought they looked like clearflight pieds. Since this ties in with my breeding journal, I will go over there to discuss the parents of these chicks.

 

As for photobucket, I didn't know there was a BBC tab. My way of doing it is to cut and paste each picture individually and go back and forth between BBC and photo bucket for each picture. It can be very tedious. I will look into this Control C and Control V method.

 

Thanks, Dave.